SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Phil wrote:

XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and
you shouldn't have any problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2.
With computers you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap
video cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the line
hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe mode should
work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems with your
computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I think your seeing
the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your computer hardware and/or
setup.

Are you planning on paying for these upgrades for Tom? Perhaps he is
using a company computer and cannot do any upgrades. Perhaps he figures
that if his computer runs properly with XP SP1 that it should run
properly with XP SP2?

XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing.

I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?

"Al Smith" wrote in message
...
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't
have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I
also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again
this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing.

I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?

While my AOpen GeForce card has worked fine for four years now.


Shane

"red floyd" wrote in message

Phil wrote:

XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you
won't have memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged
files in xp. I also notice you have a saphire video card with the
radeon chip set. Again this is your problem. Cheap cards that carry
other vendors chipsets are always inferior products to the real
thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and you shouldn't have any
problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2. With computers
you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap video
cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the
line hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe
mode should work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems
with your computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I
think your seeing the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your
computer hardware and/or setup.

Are you planning on paying for these upgrades for Tom? Perhaps he is
using a company computer and cannot do any upgrades. Perhaps he
figures that if his computer runs properly with XP SP1 that it should
run properly with XP SP2?

If it's a company computer he shouldn't be doing hardcore gaming on it or
gaming at all. Yes, it should work like sp1 but his main complaint was that
he was having probs with some older and new full bells and whistles games.
If your gonna game all the time, then a computer geared for surfing, email,
and word isn't going to cut it. I always try to tell peolple you have to buy
a computer that will do what you want it to. A $2000 dollar computer will do
just about anything you want it to a $300 dollar one may not. Some where in
between users need to find where they fall in price for the level of
performance they need.

"Al Smith" wrote in message

XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you
won't have memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged
files in xp. I also notice you have a saphire video card with the
radeon chip set. Again this is your problem. Cheap cards that carry
other vendors chipsets are always inferior products to the real
thing.

I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?

I didn't say it wouldn't work just fine, but in my experience the ati card
made by ati performs better overall. I haven't done any bench tests lately
though(last year or so), so maybe that's changed.

Phil wrote:

"red floyd" wrote in message

[redacted]

I hadn't been following this thread long, and the post I read showed no
indication that Tom had been talking about gaming.

If you're a gamer, that's one thing. But my points still apply to
corporate drones.

"red floyd" wrote in message

Phil wrote:

"red floyd" wrote in message

[redacted]

I hadn't been following this thread long, and the post I read showed
no indication that Tom had been talking about gaming.

If you're a gamer, that's one thing. But my points still apply to
corporate drones.

Ya, the op's original post talked about sp2 not working with games and that
ms doesn't care about gamers and xp is not good to game with and that ati
and ms don't work together. All untrue.

I recently installed the update on a brand new computer (HP a620n) and after
it rebooted, it would get to the loading windows screen and then flash a blue
screen for like .5 seconds and reboot. It kept this repetitive pattern until
I performed a destructive restore. That was an interesting enough problem to
keep me from updating on my own system for now.

"Steve" wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

Exactly my experience - all I had to do was to configure the firewall to
permit Remote Desktop (as I expected, having first taken the trouble to read
teh information supplied)

"Reddragon" wrote:

I installed SP2 early this september and have no problems... I am running XP
pro

Daniel Midland TX wrote:

I recently installed the update on a brand new computer (HP a620n) and after
it rebooted, it would get to the loading windows screen and then flash a blue
screen for like .5 seconds and reboot. It kept this repetitive pattern until
I performed a destructive restore. That was an interesting enough problem to
keep me from updating on my own system for now.

Hmmm... I always view Microsoft updates askance, and SP2 was no
different. However, I went ahead with it. It actually didn't screw up
too badly. My computer runs slower now, and it re-assigned a couple of
file types to the approved Microsoft programs. It's "security" agent
annoyed me for a while, until I got it turned off. When I hear all
these horror stories, I feel very blessed indeed.
--Dave

I am running it and so far no problems.
Once I figured out how to turn off the firewall/security crap (I have a
hardware firewall in my 802.11 WiFi AP) and once I upgraded to the latest
version of a few things (Norton Anti-Virus, Compuware Numega Softice, Nero
Burning Rom mainly) everything is working fine.

Jonathan Wilson wrote:

I am running it and so far no problems.
Once I figured out how to turn off the firewall/security ...

Care to share how you did that? - RM

Rick Merrill wrote:

Jonathan Wilson wrote:

I am running it and so far no problems.
Once I figured out how to turn off the firewall/security ...

Care to share how you did that? - RM

Control PanelWindows Firewall. Turn it off. Then go to the Control
Panel Security Center applet and change the way it alerts you. Disable
the alerts for the firewall.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

Well, if your stupid enoguh to read emails from unknow places which have
attachments, then more fool you. Trust no one, and no one can hurt you. Goes
well for computers. Don't trust anyones data, and none of it can damage your
system

"Enkidu" wrote:


Rubbish! If a user downloads an email with a virus then runs the
program with the virus, then he/she bypasses the firewall. If he then
connects to the Internet, his/her system will try to sned the virus to
others. A firewall that scans only incoming Internet connections only
does half the job.

That said, if you have a personal firewall AND good virus checking the
need for a two way firewall is reduced.

Cheers,

Cliff


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:59:48 +1000, "David Candy"
wrote:

It's all it needs to do.

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"CS" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0700, "DaveJunioR"
wrote:

Absolute BS. The only holes are in your advice. The SP2 firewall
only protects incoming not outgoing requests.

Gregory wrote:

Well, if your stupid enoguh to read emails from unknow places which have
attachments, then more fool you. Trust no one, and no one can hurt you. Goes
well for computers. Don't trust anyones data, and none of it can damage your
system

"Enkidu" wrote:


Rubbish! If a user downloads an email with a virus then runs the
program with the virus, then he/she bypasses the firewall. If he then
connects to the Internet, his/her system will try to sned the virus to
others. A firewall that scans only incoming Internet connections only
does half the job.

That said, if you have a personal firewall AND good virus checking the
need for a two way firewall is reduced.

Cheers,

Cliff


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:59:48 +1000, "David Candy"
wrote:


It's all it needs to do.

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"CS" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:03:07 -0700, "DaveJunioR"
wrote:

Absolute BS. The only holes are in your advice. The SP2 firewall
only protects incoming not outgoing requests.


Yes, trust no one, because everyone makes mistakes.