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Email for XP?
I'm getting very tired of Gmail. It is VERY slow. I use Thunderbird as a backup email. It works very well. Another like it to replace Gmail? Suggestions? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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KenK wrote:
I'm getting very tired of Gmail. It is VERY slow. I use Thunderbird as a backup email. It works very well. Another like it to replace Gmail? Suggestions? Gmail is a service. Are you claiming Google's mail servers are slow? I use Gmail and don't see they are any slower than other e-mail providers. In fact, once a test e-mail is sent from somewhere else, it takes less time for it to show up in my Inbox at Gmail than at Hotmail. If "Gmail" means you are using their webmail client then you are using some web browser that you have not identified. Try loading the web browser in its safe or create a new profile in it to get rid of every extension you've installed and/or every tweak you've made. If you are using a web browser, well, all the webmail clients use Javascript, so if your web browser is slow to interpret the script then the webmail client will also be slow. As mentioned above, see what happens when you cleanup your web browser. If you are using an archaic version of a web browser, those improved over time with faster Javascript engines, so you are stuck with an old engine in an old web browser. Are you using the latest version of whatever web browser you are using on Windows XP? Even those are old but should still run Javascript well enough to make the webmail client responsive. If using a web browser, did you install an adblocker into it? The above suggestion of running in safe mode or with a new profile will eliminate that adblocker. Those extensions work by breaking web pages. They block access to resources the web page expects to have access. The script might keep waiting for a resource that the adblocker is blocking. Many scripts, due to lazy programmers, never check if the resources are available before using them, so the script will misbehave by thinking it can call a function or object that isn't available. You could disable the adblocker or check what it is blocking to see if you need to allow more content to the web page, or test using the above safe mode or new profile suggestions. If the Gmail webmail client (via web browser) is slow for you, then Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com web client will be slow, too, if not slower. If your platform (OS + web browser) is slow, you'll need to find an e-mail provider with a very basic although still Javascripted webmail client. That's for you to test. There are lots of free e-mail providers (although many are just lureware with crippled webmail clients or features to bait you into buying their premium service). Since this isn't an OS issue, you might want to ask in an e-mail newsgroup as to which e-mail providers have very basic webmail clients (not a lot of Javascripting which also means not a lot of features). Have you tried the webmail client from your own ISP? If "Gmail" means some local e-mail client, can't help with that since you didn't identify it. You mention Thunderbird as a local e-mail client. Gmail is a service, so "Gmail" doesn't say how you are accessing it when it is slow. If you are looking for suggestions for replacement local e-mail clients (to Thunderbird), there are lots of those. I believe Seamonkey has e-mail support. eM Client is pretty good. Essential PIM is a bit like MS Outlook. However, if you are looking for an e-mail+newsgroups combo client, Thunderbird is about it. 40Tude Dialog (what I use), Forte Agent, and other newsreaders can do e-mail but they're pretty crappy as local e-mail clients. |
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"KenK" wrote in message ... I'm getting very tired of Gmail. It is VERY slow. I use Thunderbird as a backup email. It works very well. Another like it to replace Gmail? Suggestions? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. Gmail is an email service, Thunderbird is an email client which can be used with any email service. They are totally different. |
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On 8/8/19 11:45 AM, KenK wrote:
I'm getting very tired of Gmail. It is VERY slow. I use Thunderbird as a backup email. It works very well. Another like it to replace Gmail? Suggestions? TIA I'm presuming you are accessing Gmail via your browser. If so, add your Gmail account to Thunderbird, and use TB to check your Gmail I'm set up that way, using Gmail as an IMAP account. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0.4 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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KenK wrote:
I'm getting very tired of Gmail. It is VERY slow. I use Thunderbird as a backup email. It works very well. Another like it to replace Gmail? Suggestions? TIA The GMAIL mail store can be accessed several ways. webmail interface POP3 (messages stored on your end) IMAP (messages stored on GMAIL end) For "insecure clients" such as Thunderbird, you can try logging into your webmail account and enable "insecure clients" in the Settings. An insecure client might not use OAUTH2 for login, and just use a regular username and password. The "connections" from an application like Thunderbird, might use SSL or TLS, so the passage of the username and password is not in plaintext. (It's only considered insecure, because it is not OAUTH2.) Examples here, of addresses and port numbers. https://www.recoverytools.com/blog/c...h-thunderbird/ To me, the perceived advantage of POP3, is the messages are on your computer, and the scaling of performance is a function of your computer. When Google does GMAIL, more than one server is involved. There might be a front end server using AJAX to craft a view on your machine. A back end server holds the mail store. When more than one machine is involved, things feel slow. It was the same with Asus "VIP forum" (now closed). It used two computers. It was as slow as molasses, because the front end computer queried messages one at a time, against the back end machine. It's possible that's why the Google setup is a bit slow. My GMAIL accounts (via web interface), are slow too. But that's where my account statements go for bills, so I don't particularly care about performance for those email accounts. Paul |
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In message , VanguardLH
writes: [] If you are looking for suggestions for replacement local e-mail clients (to Thunderbird), there are lots of those. I believe Seamonkey has e-mail support. eM Client is pretty good. Essential PIM is a bit like MS Outlook. However, if you are looking for an e-mail+newsgroups combo client, Thunderbird is about it. 40Tude Dialog (what I use), Forte Agent, and other newsreaders can do e-mail but they're pretty crappy as local e-mail clients. There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I hate people who quote Shakespeare at you but are proud that they can't add up. Stupid People. - Carol Vorderman (Radio Times, 1-7 March 2003) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , VanguardLH writes: [] If you are looking for suggestions for replacement local e-mail clients (to Thunderbird), there are lots of those. I believe Seamonkey has e-mail support. eM Client is pretty good. Essential PIM is a bit like MS Outlook. However, if you are looking for an e-mail+newsgroups combo client, Thunderbird is about it. 40Tude Dialog (what I use), Forte Agent, and other newsreaders can do e-mail but they're pretty crappy as local e-mail clients. There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) The SSL/TLS noose is closing around the neck of older tools. My *government* weather site warns me today it will be switching to TLS 1.2 and gives the URL to SSLLABS to test my existing browser for compliance. Because of course, the weather is a big secret. I feel we've seen the last version of Seamonkey and the last version of Thunderbird. It won't be too long, before the compute environment will be "quite monochromatic". Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) The SSL/TLS noose is closing around the neck of older tools. I fear so. My *government* weather site warns me today it will be switching to TLS 1.2 and gives the URL to SSLLABS to test my existing browser for compliance. Because of course, the weather is a big secret. Indeed. I feel we've seen the last version of Seamonkey and the last version of Thunderbird. It won't be too long, before the compute environment will be "quite monochromatic". Paul Not only is that depressing because of the reduction of choice, I can't help thinking it's dangerous on a more basic level - single point of entry is single point of failure, either through malware or innocuous bug. I think the SSL/TLS thing can be got round for older clients that can't do it, by using a third party in-between utility; however, the only one I know of - stunnel - is already beyond XP, though I believe a version that works under XP is still available. (Fortunately my providers - both ISP and hosting [I choose to have my hoster forward to my ISP, but I could collect from them direct] - don't demand SSL/TLS, but presumably that may change.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Everything will be all right in the end. And if everything isn't all right, then it isn't the end. - The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (2011) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
VanguardLH WROTE: If you are looking for suggestions for replacement local e-mail clients (to Thunderbird), there are lots of those. I believe Seamonkey has e-mail support. eM Client is pretty good. Essential PIM is a bit like MS Outlook. However, if you are looking for an e-mail+newsgroups combo client, Thunderbird is about it. 40Tude Dialog (what I use), Forte Agent, and other newsreaders can do e-mail but they're pretty crappy as local e-mail clients. There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) Yep, I used OE back on XP. I also added the OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) extension. At one time, Microsoft supported extensions to OE and that was when OEQF showed up. Then Microsoft removed documentation and claimed to no longer support extensions, but OE still worked as before. I used OE+OEQF for quite awhile. When I needed more accurate filters in newsgroups, especially to add regex, was when I had to dump OE. I also liked local clients that supported [ActiveSync for] Exchange since that let me synchronize not just e-mail but also contacts and calendar. Besides using OEQF, SP-3 for Windows XP introduced a couple of registry settings for OE. One modified whether OE defaulted to top or bottom posting. While bottom posting is the de facto standard in Usenet, the vast majority of users expect top posting for e-mail. Alas, the registry hack affect top or bottom posting for both e-mail and newsgroups in OE. The other registry setting placed the signature block at the end of the new content (your reply) or at the end of the entire message (where it always should be). I don't remember what were the registry edits. I found them by reading the release notes for SP-3 for Windows XP. Yeah, not many users read those. Because Ken is using Xnews, I suspect he really doesn't want to use OE as his newsreader. It's been far too long since I trialed Xnews, so I don't remember if it did e-mail, but suspect it isn't a good e-mail client. |
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Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) The SSL/TLS noose is closing around the neck of older tools. Ah, I forgot about that. As I recall, and because OE doesn't support TLS although many sites require it, is to use sTunnel which does support TLS. You configure OE to connect to sTunnel and configure sTunnel to connect to the TLS-mandating server. You employ a proxy between client and server that can handle the TLS encryption. sTunnel uses OpenSSL, and both are free and open source software (FOSS). |
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In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: VanguardLH WROTE: If you are looking for suggestions for replacement local e-mail clients (to Thunderbird), there are lots of those. I believe Seamonkey has e-mail support. eM Client is pretty good. Essential PIM is a bit like MS Outlook. However, if you are looking for an e-mail+newsgroups combo client, Thunderbird is about it. 40Tude Dialog (what I use), Forte Agent, and other newsreaders can do e-mail but they're pretty crappy as local e-mail clients. There's always the original Outlook Express, which does news and email; think that's still there as part of XP (I think it's called msimn.exe - something like that anyway), and it's much maligned as a news/email client. (Whether it can be used with gmail - even if you tell gmail to allow less "secure" clients - I don't know.) Yep, I used OE back on XP. I also added the OE-QuoteFix (OEQF) extension. At one time, Microsoft supported extensions to OE and that was when OEQF showed up. Then Microsoft removed documentation and claimed to no longer support extensions, but OE still worked as before. I'd forgotten about OEQF; yes, I would strongly recommend that with OE. I only actually used OE (and OEQF) at work for news, when we had news - but I used Outlook-Quotefix with Outlook, our mandated email client at work. That carried on working up to ... well, it stopped working with the Outlook that came as part of 2003 or 2007, I can't remember which. (I know the infamous "ribbons" came in with 2007, but not when OQ stopped working.) [] Besides using OEQF, SP-3 for Windows XP introduced a couple of registry settings for OE. One modified whether OE defaulted to top or bottom posting. While bottom posting is the de facto standard in Usenet, the vast majority of users expect top posting for e-mail. Alas, the I think Microsoft/Outlook/Outlook Express are actually largely _responsible_ for the almost universality of top posting. It placed the cursor at the top of the quoted text - but this was not intended to encourage top-posting, but snipping and interposting. But this was also about the time when people started to just jump in and use email, rather than be taught how to. registry hack affect top or bottom posting for both e-mail and newsgroups in OE. The other registry setting placed the signature block at the end of the new content (your reply) or at the end of the entire message (where it always should be). I don't remember what were the Yes, that certainly didn't help. (IIRR OEQF fixed that.) Mine dew, having it there at least meant that any _proper_ client would trim off the 2-old message in any response - if the OE user had a proper .sig separator, of course, which most didn't. registry edits. I found them by reading the release notes for SP-3 for Windows XP. Yeah, not many users read those. Indeed! (I got my preinstalled XP already with SP3, so don't think I ever encountered those notes.) Because Ken is using Xnews, I suspect he really doesn't want to use OE as his newsreader. It's been far too long since I trialed Xnews, so I don't remember if it did e-mail, but suspect it isn't a good e-mail client. (I don't think I've ever used it, for either. For home use, I've been using Turnpike [for both], more or less since I came into Windows [in DOS, I used the modified version of the KA9Q suite that Demon provided; I forget what email and news clients that included. Might have been pine. For work, Outlook for email and OE for news when they standardised; I have vague memories of using Netscape [!] before they did. For other people I set up, I've used Thunderbird for some time - I accept it may not be the best, but it's reasonably well supported, to the extent that for example most email and news providers have a page telling you how to set it up with them.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen. Scott Adams, 2015-3-9 |
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VanguardLH,
sTunnel uses OpenSSL, and both are free and open source software (FOSS). The last time I tried to use OpenSSL (on w98se) the function PEM_read_x509 /always/ crashed. When I made a remark about it I got the feeling that that was "a know issue with the Windows port", and "won't fix". :-( That was four years back. Any idea if it currently works under XPsp3 ? The SSL/TLS noose is closing around the neck of older tools. If I can't find a way to upgrade FireFox 52 with a more current secure socket library I might switch to a Raspberry Pi. Added benefit - a nice seperation of the 'puter where all kinds of crackers^wlegitimate website owners demand to run their scripts and the 'puter I've got all my own stuff on. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Paul wrote:
For "insecure clients" such as Thunderbird, you can try logging into your webmail account and enable "insecure clients" in the Settings. An insecure client might not use OAUTH2 for login, and just use a regular username and password. Tb has been gmail OAUTH2 compliant since v.38. -- Mike Easter |
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In message , R.Wieser
writes: VanguardLH, sTunnel uses OpenSSL, and both are free and open source software (FOSS). The last time I tried to use OpenSSL (on w98se) the function PEM_read_x509 /always/ crashed. When I made a remark about it I got the feeling that that was "a know issue with the Windows port", and "won't fix". :-( That was four years back. Any idea if it currently works under XPsp3 ? There are quite a few people on the Turnpike newsgroup who are using stunnel OK with providers that need it. I _think_ on both XP and 7. The SSL/TLS noose is closing around the neck of older tools. If I can't find a way to upgrade FireFox 52 with a more current secure socket library I might switch to a Raspberry Pi. Added benefit - a nice seperation of the 'puter where all kinds of crackers^wlegitimate website owners demand to run their scripts and the 'puter I've got all my own stuff on. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser Mike Easter says Thunderbird has been SSL compliant since v38, so you don't need the extra bit if you use that. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "If just one child is saved, then we'll have created a police state for the benefit of just one child." |
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John,
Mike Easter says Thunderbird has been SSL compliant since v38, so you don't need the extra bit if you use that. I have not encountered problems with email and newsgroup servers yet. But yes, there might come a time where I would need to replace that one too (currently still using OE). My current, more immediate problem is how I will be able to keep browsing the web from my XPsp3 machine. FireFox v52 is the last one which will still run on XP, and it looks to become outdated due to the progressing of encryption standards. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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