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HomeGroup Setup
What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows
computer . . . . Or is this possible? I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2 computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network. The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access denied!" Any help would be appreciated Paul -- |
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On 16 Dec 2017 20:41:29 GMT, PaulRS wrote:
What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows computer . . . . Or is this possible? I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2 computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network. The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access denied!" Any help would be appreciated I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer. http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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PaulRS wrote:
What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows computer . . . . Or is this possible? I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2 computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network. The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access denied!" Any help would be appreciated Paul So OS/2 is using SMB1 and WinXP is using SMB1. Windows 7 has both SMB2 and SMB1. And it has fall-back behavior. SMB candidates negotiate the highest mode they both support. There are enough variations in SMB, there are "revisions" and "dialects". The revision is the 1,2,3 part. The dialect, I'm not sure what that part is. I only know that much, from attempting to debug a WinXP to Win10 problem after the SMB1 bug fix this year. I was watching the protocol with Wireshark. Wireshark has a "dissector" alright, but it doesn't give a breakdown on all the data fields. And then you'd have to do it manually. Mine was failing with an error from Windows 10 entitled "Need More Information". So it wasn't actually a WinXP issue as such. Windows 10 decided it needed some additional information sent to it. I haven't a clue, at the time, what it was expecting. Today, it's working again :-/ The SMB also uses crypto suites. And has 40 bit and 128 bit options. This is to allow SMB to be used over the Internet, although I don't know who would be brave enough to do that. I'd run a VPN or pipe of some sort, to protect my SMB if it was traveling over the Internet, and then it wouldn't matter so much. A general rule of thumb for SMB, is to use the same account names and passwords on the two machines. So if you're Joe on the left hand machine, and Paul on the right hand machine, then if you log in from the left to the Paul account, you might encounter problem with your Joe file system credentials when attempting to transfer stuff. Logging in is only part of the story. Rather than try to understand all the nuances, it's simply better to use "Paul" and "PaulsPassword" on both machines, so that not only the local token on the machine is "Paul", but so is the foreign side of things. The actual file system doesn't use names like that, it uses SIDs, which are long strings of numbers, and the strings of numbers are *different* on each Windows machine. So at the SID level, none of these things are the same. But at the level of the file system you're working at, there are advantages to the account symbolic names on either end being identical. Even for Guest, this seems to make a difference, don't ask me why. I'm just not very good at debugging it. ******* And I've definitely run into some goofy symptoms. I have a Mac G4 running OS 10.2.x. And it has SMB support too, probably SMB1. When I try to make a connection from it, a username/password dialog appears on the Mac side, but by the time that happens, the original connection is dropped by the Windows end. If you enter your credentials and hit "OK", the info goes nowhere. So that's a kind of race condition. Where one end has said "you'll need to authenticate" while at the same time signaling "this connection is closed" :-) ******* To get from the Mac G4 to the Windows box, I enable the IIS FTP server (from Windows Features dialog), and use FTP instead. I was using that today. I transferred 160GB this way. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...ver-windows-10 With FTP, you can even "pipe" things. This is a little trick I learned a while back, on that same Mac G4. The Mac was running the PPC version of Ubuntu 12.04 from a LiveCD, to disk dump transfer the entire hard drive over FTP. The output of the "dd" command, it's STDOUT, is going into the "sda" file on the foreign Windows box. ftp put "|sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=73728" sda Paul |
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:49:54 UTC, "Rodney Pont"
wrote: On 16 Dec 2017 20:41:29 GMT, PaulRS wrote: What is the secret to setting up a "Homegroup" with a non-Windows computer . . . . Or is this possible? I am having a terrible time with getting file transfer between an OS/2 computer and Windows 7. Win7 sees the computer on the home network. The OS/2 computer has a Network logon and password that still works fine with Windows XP. On Win 7 only "Guest" w/o Password gets me to the shares on the OS/2 maching, but anything beyond is "access denied!" Any help would be appreciated I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer. http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html Thankyou! This OS/2 FTP server opened up so many options to me between all the windows machines and Linux boxes as well. ;-)) -- |
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On 29 Dec 2017 03:51:16 GMT, PaulRS wrote:
Any help would be appreciated I run ftpserver on the OS/2 system and use the ftp facility in windows explorer to connect to it. It looks like a drive to explorer. http://www.pmoylan.org/pages/os2/ftpserver.html Thankyou! This OS/2 FTP server opened up so many options to me between all the windows machines and Linux boxes as well. ;-)) Good, I'm glad to be able to help and thank you for coming back to let us know that you got on with it. -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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