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Old December 17th 17, 05:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Got confirmation this morning my new "Christmas present for wife" TV was
just shipped. Three days after placing online order with delivery date
now the 22nd rather than the 19th site stated it would be. Given that's
Friday and I'm rural area I suspect tv will not be here for Christmas
morning.

On top of that tv's description online does not mimic Sanyo's own
website. Specifically Walmart states TV has a VGA Input yet Sanyo states
nothing and pics show no such connection (should have checked before
hand but trusted Walmart's description it's so plainly stated).

I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
still end up with you vulnerable to them. Specifically they now have my
credit card info and I have no means to compell them to delete it!!!

I'm wondering what kind of issues I'm going to have while having fun
demanding they compensate me for my time and effort because of their
deceptions when I take the item back.

Argh!!!
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Old December 17th 17, 01:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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pjp wrote:

Got confirmation this morning my new "Christmas present for wife" TV was
just shipped. Three days after placing online order with delivery date
now the 22nd rather than the 19th site stated it would be. Given that's
Friday and I'm rural area I suspect tv will not be here for Christmas
morning.

On top of that tv's description online does not mimic Sanyo's own
website. Specifically Walmart states TV has a VGA Input yet Sanyo states
nothing and pics show no such connection (should have checked before
hand but trusted Walmart's description it's so plainly stated).

I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
still end up with you vulnerable to them. Specifically they now have my
credit card info and I have no means to compell them to delete it!!!

I'm wondering what kind of issues I'm going to have while having fun
demanding they compensate me for my time and effort because of their
deceptions when I take the item back.

Argh!!!


Large companies have the option of commissioning the manufacture
of "custom" versions of things.

In some cases, it's just the SKU that is custom. They use
different part numbers, to "prevent" price matching.

If a company says "we will match a competitors price on this item",
of course no other store (Target, Walgrens) is allowed to have
exactly the same product number, so of course, there is
no actual competition and they know it. A company will not announce
price matching as a policy, unless they acquire custom SKUs
for everything, so no price matching is possible by a consumer.
Maybe it doesn't matter for dollar items, but for big ticket
items like TV sets, having a custom SKU is an advantage. Especially
if the feature set of the device is "radically different", like
a color pre-processor board is missing or something and the item is
$500 cheaper.

*******

As for the name, Sanyo was acquired, and who knows where the
name eventually ended up. When things like this happen, anyone
with a few bucks can buy the trademark for their own purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanyo

"By March 2012, parent company Panasonic plans to terminate the
Sanyo brand, however it will remain on some of the products
where the Sanyo brand still holds value to consumers."

Paul
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Old December 17th 17, 01:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote in message
...


Got confirmation this morning my new "Christmas present for wife" TV was
just shipped. Three days after placing online order with delivery date
now the 22nd rather than the 19th site stated it would be. Given that's
Friday and I'm rural area I suspect tv will not be here for Christmas
morning.

On top of that tv's description online does not mimic Sanyo's own
website. Specifically Walmart states TV has a VGA Input yet Sanyo states
nothing and pics show no such connection (should have checked before
hand but trusted Walmart's description it's so plainly stated).

I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
still end up with you vulnerable to them. Specifically they now have my
credit card info and I have no means to compell them to delete it!!!

I'm wondering what kind of issues I'm going to have while having fun
demanding they compensate me for my time and effort because of their
deceptions when I take the item back.

Argh!!!


If your Wallyworld is anything like the ones around here, good luck with any
kind of compensation or satisfaction. You're just one little ****-ant in
their great colony of Wallydrones, and they could surely care less if you
come back to shop there or not. Bringing something back to them is enough to
give anyone an attitude. It starts when you get in line and watch the DMV
rejects behind the counter try to figure out what they owe you, and how to
give it to you once they HAVE figured it out :-(
I've just about given up shopping there except for about once a month for
paper goods and certain groceries (the lower priced items than the ones I
can get at my grocery store).

I wish you luck. Let us know how it goes. If you want to vent, we are here
for you :-)
--

SC Tom


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Old December 17th 17, 03:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote

| I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
| still end up with you vulnerable to them.

You really should check out the item at the
manufacturer site first. Also, as Paul clearly
detailed, you have to be careful about SKUs.
Home Depot is a good example of that. They
might sell a DeWalt jigsaw model T-12345 while
other stores sell T-12344. HD's is a custom
model. It won't be listed at DeWalt's site.
No guarantees.
Faucets are a good example
of that. HD carries the best brands, like Delta
or Moen. But they're not the same models
that you'd buy at a plumbing supply: Hoses
instead of copper tubing... Chrome-painted plastic
instead of metal... There are a hundred ways
to cut corners. And the model you buy today
may not exist next month.

You can avoid that by checking Sanyo for
the exact SKU.

But you're getting a good price, right? If you
went to a local store and supported local
business you'd probably pay a lot more. By
giving business to Walmart, Costco, Amazon,
etc, or by shopping online with those companies,
you're supporting mega-chain-store takeover
in exchange for cheaper prices. It's a deal with
the devil. Eventually you won't even get cheaper
prices. Eventually companies like Amazon and
Walmart will have to get into the black -- once
they've put the small companies out of business.

You only have to look at Home Depot or CVS
or Whole Foods to see how that strategy works
in the long term. Prices go up. Pricing becomes
arbitrary, based on computer predictions of what
they can get away with. It's no longer a retail
store buying items and reselling them for a
reasonable profit. It's a computerized system
that calculates what to charge and what to carry
on a daily basis, with profit the only factor in
those calculations.

Walmart is famous for their extreme approach
of setting up mega-stores and eliminating local
commerce in large areas. I won't do business
with them at all, on principle. Fortunately they
also make that easy. My typical wardrobe is not
especially fashionable, but it doesn't sink as
low as standard Walmart fare of kiddie clothes
for grown men: "Pre-stressed", oversized, cargo
shorts to the calf, combined with a sleeveless
sweathshirt festooned with a Spiderman logo,
with matching chartreuse sneakers; all made
in someplace like Malaysia because China is now
too expensive due to the decreasing number of
starving slaves available for their factories.


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Old December 17th 17, 05:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , am
says...

"pjp" wrote

| I'm really ****ed that a company can mislead you in such a manner yet
| still end up with you vulnerable to them.

You really should check out the item at the
manufacturer site first. Also, as Paul clearly
detailed, you have to be careful about SKUs.
Home Depot is a good example of that. They
might sell a DeWalt jigsaw model T-12345 while
other stores sell T-12344. HD's is a custom
model. It won't be listed at DeWalt's site.
No guarantees.
Faucets are a good example
of that. HD carries the best brands, like Delta
or Moen. But they're not the same models
that you'd buy at a plumbing supply: Hoses
instead of copper tubing... Chrome-painted plastic
instead of metal... There are a hundred ways
to cut corners. And the model you buy today
may not exist next month.

You can avoid that by checking Sanyo for
the exact SKU.

But you're getting a good price, right? If you
went to a local store and supported local
business you'd probably pay a lot more. By
giving business to Walmart, Costco, Amazon,
etc, or by shopping online with those companies,
you're supporting mega-chain-store takeover
in exchange for cheaper prices. It's a deal with
the devil. Eventually you won't even get cheaper
prices. Eventually companies like Amazon and
Walmart will have to get into the black -- once
they've put the small companies out of business.

You only have to look at Home Depot or CVS
or Whole Foods to see how that strategy works
in the long term. Prices go up. Pricing becomes
arbitrary, based on computer predictions of what
they can get away with. It's no longer a retail
store buying items and reselling them for a
reasonable profit. It's a computerized system
that calculates what to charge and what to carry
on a daily basis, with profit the only factor in
those calculations.

Walmart is famous for their extreme approach


Unforetunately there's just too many things where Walmart is easiest. An
easy example is hubcaps for your car. You just know Walmart will have
something and it'll be way cheaper than even Canadian Tire let alone any
car shop or heaven forbid a dealership. Paddle for my canoe, same thing
etc. etc. etc. For me the basic problem for the little guy is everyone
in the chain is so greedy from person who actually owns store (rent)
right on down the line (owner of store itself) with the people who
actually make the product getting nada for their efforts.

What a resent is the fact an item is no longer priced by what it costs
to manufacture and bring to market but as already stated by another
capitalism's stated belief of charge whatever the market will bear which
equates to "be as greedy as you can get away with".

I think things would change if people stopped giving respect to wealth.
make that bank manager shovel his own driveway, change his own tires on
his car, for that matter he has to clean and mop "his" floors. People
should just refuse to do anything for them instead they should make them
feel unwanted even when in local store for pop or whatever etc. etc.
e,g, show them detestation and not respect. Dr.'s, lawyers etc. etc. too
many to name but they're all the same just greed.
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Old December 17th 17, 06:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote

| Unforetunately there's just too many things where Walmart is easiest. An
| easy example is hubcaps for your car. You just know Walmart will have
| something and it'll be way cheaper than even Canadian Tire let alone any
| car shop or heaven forbid a dealership.

I know what you mean. It's not easy to avoid chains.

| What a resent is the fact an item is no longer priced by what it costs
| to manufacture and bring to market but as already stated by another
| capitalism's stated belief of charge whatever the market will bear which
| equates to "be as greedy as you can get away with".
|
Yes. I think a lot of that is due to computerization.
Prices change based on computer calculations. It's no
longer a business run by an honorable merchant. It's
a computerized gambling operation with the sole purpose
of increasing profits.
I've ended up buying things at Whole Foods based
on sales because the prices vary so much. Last week
organic Kanzi apples from WA were $2/#. This week it's
$3. A 50% increase for the same apples from the
same farms. Next week it will probably be $2 again.
So this week I'm eating Opal apples.

Yesterday I was in Staples.... Hey, 3 boxes of Kleenex
for $5. Pretty good... No, wait. 3 boxes of Puffs for $5.
60 more tissues in 3 boxes. I'll get those.... I then walked
down the aisle and found a separate rack: 4 boxes of
Kleenex for $5. Wowza! Count me in!
I half expected to see 12 boxes for $2.99 if I kept
going. But $1.25/box seemed to be the best deal. So
I moved on to USB sticks. 12 running feet of them on
a rack about 5' high. 3 or 4 brands. Endless variations in
terms of GB and packages. GB/$ was all over the place.
It was madness. I can no longer get RAM or CPUs there,
but there are some 60 sq. ft. of USB sticks. But I didn't
buy one. I couldn't find any deal offering 4 packages
for $5.


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Old December 17th 17, 07:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/17/2017 12:45 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Endless variations in
terms of GB and packages. GB/$ was all over the place.
It was madness

With USB drives there is an issue of quality that GB/$ does not compute.
I shop by speed/GB/$ I've found 32g for 5$ but they only show 10mbs
write speed. Then another for 12$ and it's more in the 50mbs range.

Sometimes you pay for what you get.

I agree with prev posts, a wooden canoe ore is a wooden ore. A gallon
of bleach is a gallon of bleach. Some things you can easily compare.


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Old December 17th 17, 07:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Big Al" wrote

| With USB drives there is an issue of quality that GB/$ does not compute.
| I shop by speed/GB/$ I've found 32g for 5$ but they only show 10mbs
| write speed. Then another for 12$ and it's more in the 50mbs range.
|
I didn't know that. I'll have to check next time.
Though they all seemed to say USB3. And in many
cases the prices were different for the same GB
in the same brand.

| I agree with prev posts, a wooden canoe ore is a wooden ore. A gallon
| of bleach is a gallon of bleach. Some things you can easily compare.
|
Whoa. Not so quick.
Bleach depends on the % of sodium hypochlorite.
I find it can be anywhere in the range of 3-8, typically
4 or 5. The Clorox name brand may usually cost more,
though even Clorox seems to have several strengths.

I suppose 10 people would have 10 very different
lists of products that are "all the same". My ladyfriend,
an otherwise intelligent and reasonable person, will
spend stunning amounts of money for various skin
cremes that are all, essentially, mineral oil, water
and an emulsifier. To me they're all the same. The
only difference being whether a vegetable oil is used
in place of mineral oil. That justifies a slightly higher
price. But last time I checked in CVS, unit pricing for
moisturizing cremes went as high as $2,600/
gallon. For mineral oil. Of course a given product
may have a trace of Vitamin E, shea butter, or even
placenta(!), but it basically just comes down to
packaging and advertising mineral oil.... and how well
they make a case for erasing wrinkles.

Even my dermatologist falls for that. She recommended
Amlactin cream to me. Crazy expensive stuff. Mineral
oil. Secret ingredient: lactic acid. Probably about
5 cents worth of it.


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Old December 17th 17, 08:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote

| With USB drives there is an issue of quality that GB/$ does not compute.
| I shop by speed/GB/$ I've found 32g for 5$ but they only show 10mbs
| write speed. Then another for 12$ and it's more in the 50mbs range.
|
I didn't know that. I'll have to check next time.
Though they all seemed to say USB3. And in many
cases the prices were different for the same GB
in the same brand.


Always check the Newegg reviews for a product, to
see what real people record for transfer rates.

Read Write Connector

20MB/sec 3MB/sec USB2
20MB/sec 3MB/sec USB3 --- the "Walmart special"
100MB/sec 10MB/sec USB3 ("poor quality", slow on write), Sandisk Ultra ?
220MB/sec 100MB/sec USB3 (Sandisk Extreme)

Just because a USB stick doesn't even surpass USB2
rates, as long as the signals flow over the five
contacts that the USB3 interface uses, it's
a "USB3 stick". That's what the second entry in the
table is meant to represent. They make such things.
Nobody has any pride, when it comes to USB sticks.

The USB2 connector has four contacts.

The USB3 connector has nine contacts. Four contacts
are USB2 pins. Five contacts are TX+,TX-,GND,RX+,RX-
for the high speed USB3 pins. Usually the interfaces
are mutually exclusive, and which interface is used
is determine by negotiation. You can have a USB3
connector which uses only the USB2 pins for example.
I have a "broken" 128GB USB3 stick here, where one
of the five USB3 pins broke on the first day, and that stick
runs permanently at USB2 rates (30MB/sec on reads).
So it does happen, but isn't too common.

Do *not* buy USB sticks with plastic barrels. Examine
the product pictures and make sure the stick has a
*metal* barrel. For USB3 sticks, the metal barrel prevents
the contacts from getting damaged during insertion. The
plastic barrel, when mixed with USB3 product, provides
no protection at all, and is to be avoided.

USB sticks are a lot like the produce section in your
grocery store. You need to squeeze them, knock on
the shell and listen for the sound, smell them to
see if they're ripe... and so on :-) You can't just
blindly buy one, because you'll be sorry later.

*******

The Sandisk Extreme disappeared from the market
for a number of months. My computer store
has them again, at least at some capacity points.
I've had to cook up other ideas to get a
substitute hardware solution since they disappeared,
and I could care less about them now :-)

(Make your own USB3 stick using an SSD for storage...)

https://www.sabrent.com/uploads/EC-S...-4-680x680.jpg

(If you're in the business of making such things, *don't*
show people how you terminated the wires. Ugh! The horror.
Think of the data rates over that uncontrolled impedance
section of wiring, the reflections, and so on. Those wires
are supposed to be "short". I'm hoping this picture is
intended to be a joke in bad taste.)



*******

Patriot used to make some fast USB sticks. They used
a quad channel design, and the USB stick was closer
to having a square cross section. You couldn't
plug two of those into the same USB stack for example.
They were one of the first to do a decent solution.
But other companies have caught up, perhaps by using
toggle flash and just two channels instead of four.
The single Sandisk Extreme stick I have here, is just a tiny
fraction thicker than the Sandisk Ultra I also bought.

Paul
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Old December 17th 17, 09:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| Always check the Newegg reviews for a product, to
| see what real people record for transfer rates.
|
| Read Write Connector
|
| 20MB/sec 3MB/sec USB2
| 20MB/sec 3MB/sec USB3 --- the "Walmart special"
| 100MB/sec 10MB/sec USB3 ("poor quality", slow on write), Sandisk Ultra
?
| 220MB/sec 100MB/sec USB3 (Sandisk Extreme)
|
......

Thanks for all that info. I don't use them enough
to be much concerned about speeds, but it's good
to know. I had no idea there was such a range.



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Old December 18th 17, 01:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 20:27:26 -0400, pjp
wrote:

At some point speed does matter. I have a few 64Gb Duracell branded
flashdrives. Slowest drives I've ever experienced, under 3Mb/sec. Takes
better part of a day (24 hr day) to fill the disk. On top of that I've
had two just randomly go into write-protect mode with no way to undo
that. Complete loss of data and all. Just junk and no way to know
beforehand. I've got three left, they just sit on shelf unused they're
so untrustworthy besides being so slow it's tedious to use them.


I've seen Duracell-branded flash drives, as well as Polaroid-branded,
and I've stayed away because I figure both of those companies have no
interest in making such products. I imagine they were approached with a
licensing offer - let us stick your name on these outstanding products
in exchange for some money, except that the products are really crap.

--

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Old December 18th 17, 01:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Call Walmart customer service !
Ask if feature is really there !

if not, cancel order.
It can be cancelled.

I have never had a problem returning or rejecting from Walmart, target
Lowes or anywhere else.

In fact, just two weeks ago I had a problem with an order and the
supplier, Lowes gave me a significant apology kick back to my cc and
this on a significantly discounted Black Friday order.

So quit whining and make the call.

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Old December 18th 17, 04:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , says...

Call Walmart customer service !
Ask if feature is really there !

if not, cancel order.
It can be cancelled.

I have never had a problem returning or rejecting from Walmart, target
Lowes or anywhere else.

In fact, just two weeks ago I had a problem with an order and the
supplier, Lowes gave me a significant apology kick back to my cc and
this on a significantly discounted Black Friday order.

So quit whining and make the call.


After considerable research it appears I can likely work around the
ommission of a vga connection. PC being used to connect to it actually
has both vga and dvi connections as well as the composite tv-out
currently being used on the old analog tv. I could of course just
continue using the composite signal but the whole idea of a new tv is
better pic so thankfully it also appears it shouldn't be a problem using
a dvi to hdmi converter and run it into one of the hdmi ports on the tv.
It has specific audio inputs for just such a scenario. The question now
is does the composite input have it's own dedicated audio inputs also.
Manual isn't clear and there's no pic of the entire back inputs. In fact
pics in manual might not even mimic what tv actually looks like.
 




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