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Windows 1903 ISO
Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO,
after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having trouble determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and try again.' despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online, offline and running the setup on my Win7 partition. Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year old PC goes? It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics (HP). |
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Windows 1903 ISO
Pent wrote:
Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO, after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having trouble determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and try again.' despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online, offline and running the setup on my Win7 partition. Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year old PC goes? It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics (HP). They seem to think the CPU works here, at least on older versions. https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-ha...i-install.html There is the CoreInfo utility, and you could compare that to the Windows 8.1 requirement list. It lists more than just the critical things unfortunately. The Wikipedia for Windows 10 has the requirements too. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/coreinfo x32/x64 PAE * Supports 32-bit physical addresses [mapper 32 bits in, makes 36 bits out etc.] NX * Supports no-execute page protection SSE2 * Supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 [likely abused for block move or something] plus for x64 add... X64 * Supports 64-bit mode LAHF-SAHF * Supports LAHF/SAHF instructions in 64-bit mode CX16 * Supports CMPXCHG16B instruction PREFETCHW * Supports PREFETCHW instruction The Radeon 3000 graphics aren't helping. I have 3200 on my laptop and I don't think those are supported. However, if you download the ISO and install that way, the graphics requirement should be ignored on install, and Microsoft Basic Display Adapter driver is used. This should allow an install to complete, even if it doesn't look as sparkling as one would like. I was doing that with an FX5200 in the box, for test (install from DVD as a clean install). Worked OK from ISO, I don't think Windows Update upgrades path liked it. I have not done that test in two years, because my computer is a mess inside, and very hard to work in. (I have mechanical supports to hold up the CPU heatsink, which has too high a mass for the socket.) ******* When you buy a video card, you're buying "six years of support", rather than buying a piece of spiffy hardware. The cheapest "worthwhile" video card is a GTX1050. The GTX1030 is a ripoff because it doesn't have an accelerated video decoder like the 1050 does. The 1050 is already more than two years old, so only four years support left. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series The AMD cards are getting a bit long in the tooth, and the most modern ones are high-end. Extremely high-end from a price perspective. "Buy-a-new-computer" expensive. And if you used an RX580 perhaps, I don't know how many years of support that will have, as it might be "grouped" with other cards of its generation. Of course, your machine could well have an AGP slot, in which case... you're screwed. The bridge chips necessary to convert AGP to PCI Express, stopped being made maybe seven years ago, so no more cards with "support" will be available. At the best of times, bridged video cards got only "one driver". No updates. You used to be able to get PCI card SKUs at one time. I have such a card, to be used when flashing the BIOS on a "good" card. But I don't think anyone makes those either, even though it is, in 2019, still dead easy to make such things. Bridges to make those are available. While you can get USB3 graphics adapters, I'm sure the driver situation on such would be "sketchy" and just as likely to attract the ire of the installer, as the 3000 graphics would. Those might work as an "aux adapter" but not as the "main adapter". Basically, the graphics card industry has you by the short and curlies. Even if a GTX1050 fitted in the machine, it has no VGA connector on it, and it costs *extra* money now to adapt HDMI or DisplayPort to VGA using an adapter. Not only is the GTX1050 expensive for a bottom tier card, it also doesn't have the right connectors for a bottom tier card. The "industry" eliminated VGA last year or the year before, and this is the "year of the adapter". If you think you'll need an adapter, and the monitor is worth keeping, picking up an adapter might be a good idea, so you have options. I have multiple of those now. The best type is HDMI to VGA (assumes video card has HDMI), because for some reason the card loses its mind and reverts to HDMI, and it helps if you have HDMI to VGA as the adapter in usage. The DisplayPort connector on the other hand, has better "retention" and won't fall out quite as easily. You have to depress a release button for it to come out. The current HDMI relies on an "interference fit". (The earlier HDMI were as smooth as can be, and could easily work loose.) The HDMI stay in now, but not with quite the authority of the DisplayPort. In 2019, I have to be pretty pessimistic about "legacy hardware situations", because they keep breaking stuff at every turn. at least one, perfectly good Intel CPU, the installer pukes when it sees it, and that's because the privileged instruction that dumps the CoreInfo table, is "mis-coded" by Intel in hardware, and one of the status bits is wrong. The installer does not "do an actual functional test" that the instructions needed are there. There's no "CMPXCHG16B test" to verify it works, and so on. ******* Video drivers come in XDDM (likely the 3000 has one of those for Win8 era), and WDDM. They keep bumping the rev number on the WDDM, and when they do, older cards might not receive development work, and there's no "new" driver for it. It's not clear whether in this release, XDDM drivers are accepted as a fallback. Windows 10 still runs in a Virtual Machine, and the graphics emulation in there is pure ****. And yet it works. It makes you wonder why "real" hardware can't work. ******* It would be nice if the installer was "expressive" enough to tell us what was wrong, but that's expecting a lot... If there was an override for the hardware check, that would help. Paul |
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Windows 1903 ISO
On 08/06/2019 20:25, Pent wrote:
Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO, after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having trouble determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and try again.' despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online, offline and running the setup on my Win7 partition. Is there anything pending on your machine that requires "RESTART". I am emphasising the word RESTART because it has a special meaning in Windows. Also, did windows try to update your machine on its own that did not complete? For example, is there a hidden folder called [ $WINDOWS.~BT ]? Is so then this folder needs to be renamed and your machine restarted before the upgrade can take place. Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year old PC goes? It's a polite way of saying that when you post questions here on Windows 10, at least try to use a Windows 10 machine so that we know you are a genuine person asking a genuine question. We get nutters here all the time asking some stupid questions hoping it will start an endless thread where people start talking about their sex lives. It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics (HP). Who cares about what you have. If you think it is too old then go and buy a new machine from DELL. Path: aioe.org!.POSTED.fMcRm0/bJ1YHeCy0zfEn5A.user.gioia.aioe.org!not-for-mail From: Pent Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Windows 1903 ISO Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:25:31 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fMcRm0/bJ1YHeCy0zfEn5A.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:25.9) Gecko/20160412 FossaMail/25.2.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Xref: aioe.org alt.comp.os.windows-10:93123 -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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