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Old July 20th 19, 04:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Jason
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Default Backup to a new computer.

I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does the new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?
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Old July 20th 19, 05:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Backup to a new computer.

Peter Jason wrote:
I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does the new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?


I have (by accident), installed the wrong SSD in a computer,
it booted and the desktop appeared.

And when the SSD was put back in the correct computer, it still
worked. (This works on Windows 10, but I would not make a habit
of doing this with older OSes... Some of those will freeze up
when booted on the wrong hardware.)

The OS is obviously still there.

The activation status may require some work, like look for
activation in the Settings wheel search box.

As for what all the license keys on the commercial software
think about this move, I have no idea. The hardware hash
is different, and they're going to notice.

Paul
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Old July 20th 19, 12:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Default Backup to a new computer.

On 20/07/2019 06.49, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does theĀ* new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?


I have (by accident), installed the wrong SSD in a computer,
it booted and the desktop appeared.

And when the SSD was put back in the correct computer, it still
worked. (This works on Windows 10, but I would not make a habit
of doing this with older OSes... Some of those will freeze up
when booted on the wrong hardware.)


I tried to move a W10 virtual machine, from vmware to virtualbox (same
host). Did not work, complete failure.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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Old July 20th 19, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Backup to a new computer.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 20/07/2019 06.49, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does the new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?

I have (by accident), installed the wrong SSD in a computer,
it booted and the desktop appeared.

And when the SSD was put back in the correct computer, it still
worked. (This works on Windows 10, but I would not make a habit
of doing this with older OSes... Some of those will freeze up
when booted on the wrong hardware.)


I tried to move a W10 virtual machine, from vmware to virtualbox (same
host). Did not work, complete failure.


Some virtualization environments *actively interfere* with the Guest.

There might be a reason that happened.

I have successfully done P2V and V2P transitions and got them working.
But my working materials would not likely involve VMWare. I remember
one Guest, where VMWare sysprepped the damn thing (causing it
to come up in OOBE state rather than preserving the account
already set up).

I can make some of these things work, but not all of them.
Some combinations just aren't worth the trouble.

In some cases, you need to edit the XML file and transfer
identifiers from one environment to the other.

But a complete failure is probably a lack of storage driver
so it'll be able to boot. Problems with identifiers come later.

Paul
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Old July 20th 19, 03:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Percival P. Cassidy
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Default Backup to a new computer.

On 7/19/19 11:18 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does the new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?


The non-free version of Macrium has the ability to "redeploy" to
different hardware. It worked for me -- including activation, but that
was using Windows 10 Pro Retail (actually a free upgrade from Win7Pro
Retail); activation might not work with an OEM version.

I cannot be sure, but I think what the "redeploy" function may do is zap
the old-hardware-specific drivers from the backup of the old version,
allowing the redeployed "basic" OS to then find online the
new-hardware-specific drivers it needs.

Perce
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Old July 20th 19, 05:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Backup to a new computer.

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 7/19/19 11:18 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does the new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?


The non-free version of Macrium has the ability to "redeploy" to
different hardware. It worked for me -- including activation, but that
was using Windows 10 Pro Retail (actually a free upgrade from Win7Pro
Retail); activation might not work with an OEM version.

I cannot be sure, but I think what the "redeploy" function may do is zap
the old-hardware-specific drivers from the backup of the old version,
allowing the redeployed "basic" OS to then find online the
new-hardware-specific drivers it needs.

Perce


In the old days, you could delete the ENUM key to remove
all memory of drivers. Then, the OS needs to rediscover
them afterwards.

I tested that on Windows 10, and it still works. I deleted
ENUM, booted the OS, and it discovered the hardware again.

It doesn't remove packages. If you have a driver ordering
problem, the driver ordering problem is still going to
exist (the OS can still "pick the wrong driver" if it wants).

What a redeploy might do, is provide any extra drivers
that might be needed.

Deleting ENUM, a typical usage might be, you have some
USB port that can no longer "detect device X", and if
you remove all memory of drivers, upon rediscovery,
the "device X" might be detected again.

This is something I might use every five years, it's
usage is obscure enough.

And if you do that, your USB keyboard and mouse might
not work right away. It might take two minutes before
they're wired up again. PS/2 works practically instantly.

Paul
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Old July 20th 19, 06:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Default Backup to a new computer.

On 20/07/2019 16.47, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 20/07/2019 06.49, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I have a Macrium backup from my now-dead old computer.

If I just clone it across to my new virgin machine will it start up
with the OS & restored data?

Does theĀ* new machine need an OS installed for the restore/clone?
I have (by accident), installed the wrong SSD in a computer,
it booted and the desktop appeared.

And when the SSD was put back in the correct computer, it still
worked. (This works on Windows 10, but I would not make a habit
of doing this with older OSes... Some of those will freeze up
when booted on the wrong hardware.)


I tried to move a W10 virtual machine, from vmware to virtualbox (same
host). Did not work, complete failure.


Some virtualization environments *actively interfere* with the Guest.

There might be a reason that happened.

I have successfully done P2V and V2P transitions and got them working.
But my working materials would not likely involve VMWare. I remember
one Guest, where VMWare sysprepped the damn thing (causing it
to come up in OOBE state rather than preserving the account
already set up).

I can make some of these things work, but not all of them.
Some combinations just aren't worth the trouble.

In some cases, you need to edit the XML file and transfer
identifiers from one environment to the other.

But a complete failure is probably a lack of storage driver
so it'll be able to boot. Problems with identifiers come later.


I don't recall the exact failure... I deleted the VB machine. I think it
booted but crashed before completion. I don't remember if it allowed
trying "repair". I suspected licensing issue at the time.

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Cheers, Carlos.
 




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