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Old August 1st 19, 06:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers. Google lights up like a Christmas
tree. But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T
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Old August 1st 19, 07:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.


slow with one big file, or slow with lots of tiny files?

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Old August 1st 19, 01:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/1/2019 1:16 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.Â*Â* Google lights up like a Christmas
tree.Â* But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

I've not seen any difference in FTP speeds based on the OS in use. What
app is your customer using for FTP?

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Old August 1st 19, 05:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/2019 13:06, Neil wrote:

I've not seen any difference in FTP speeds based on the OS in use.
What app is your customer using for FTP?


And you don't even know that you are responding to a rogue trader by the
name of T with his other nyms as: Todd&Margo, and tb just to name a
few. He is defrauding his customers by pretending that he is an expert
in Windows system when, in fact, he hates everything Microsoft does. He
himself doesn't use Windows either.


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Old August 1st 19, 05:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Neil wrote:
On 8/1/2019 1:16 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers. Google lights up like a Christmas
tree. But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

I've not seen any difference in FTP speeds based on the OS in use. What
app is your customer using for FTP?


I would agree with this. Vanilla FTP uses nothing for crypto,
so the overhead is zero. (Your username and password are plaintext,
and can be captured in Wireshark.) It's as close to a hardware
pumping exercise as you can get.

For example, on my Mac G4, in an attempt to "dd" transfer
the entire drive as a form of backup, FTP worked at 112MB/sec
in that case. Which is more or less GbE minus overhead.

If FTP wasn't such a pain to set up, I'd use it more often.

You can set up an "FTPD" on Windows 10, using Control Panels :
Programs and Features : Windows Features and look for the
IIS entries. IIS gives a web server and an FTP server
(turn on either one or both of them).

But be aware the FTP server needs some configuration,
which is a nuisance. Unlike the Mac G4, which uses
your account and your home directory as defaults for
FTP, and setting up FTP on that machine is a "single
radio button and done". The IIS version of that is
hardly that easy... Once configured though, there's
probably some easy way to disable it from session to
session. Sticking a fork into whatever service that
uses, might be enough.

Paul
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Old August 1st 19, 07:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/31/19 11:37 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.


slow with one big file, or slow with lots of tiny files?


Both. What takes 25 minutes on w7 takes over 24 hours
to a local ftp server
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Old August 1st 19, 07:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/1/19 5:06 AM, Neil wrote:
On 8/1/2019 1:16 AM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.Â*Â* Google lights up like a Christmas
tree.Â* But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T

I've not seen any difference in FTP speeds based on the OS in use. What
app is your customer using for FTP?


Cobian backup.

From the Google hits I have seen, it is across the board.


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Old August 1st 19, 07:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

What takes 25 minutes on w7 takes over 24 hours
to a local ftp server


what does taskmanager (or perfmon) show while this is going on, cpu
spiky or flat? NIC throughput spiky or flat, disk throughput, queue length?
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Old August 1st 19, 07:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/1/19 11:11 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

What takes 25 minutes on w7 takes over 24 hours
to a local ftp server


what does taskmanager (or perfmon) show while this is going on, cpu
spiky or flat? NIC throughput spiky or flat, disk throughput, queue length?


I don't remember anything out of the ordinary.
But this is just faded memory.

I will have to get permission from the customer
to continue researching on his machine before
double checking
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Old August 3rd 19, 12:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/31/19 10:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.Â*Â* Google lights up like a Christmas
tree.Â* But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T


Hmmmm. Now I have a W7 client doing it. 4 hour
but not over 24. But still ....

-T

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Old August 3rd 19, 12:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:
On 7/31/19 10:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers. Google lights up like a Christmas
tree. But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T


Hmmmm. Now I have a W7 client doing it. 4 hour
but not over 24. But still ....

-T


So you know it's something like a networking issue,
like a different in MTU definition somewhere.

Depending on where the FTP session is going
(like out the WAN).

Why aren't you capturing a second or two of this
FTP transfer with Wireshark, for a look ? What
do the packets tell you ? Are the packets 512 bytes,
1546 bytes, some other number ?

Paul
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Old August 3rd 19, 02:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/2/19 4:20 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 7/31/19 10:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

A customer of mine is getting stung by the problems in W10
with FTP speed transfers.Â*Â* Google lights up like a Christmas
tree.Â* But I am not finding anything helpful.

You guys got any suggestions?

Many thanks,
-T


Hmmmm.Â* Now I have a W7 client doing it.Â* 4 hour
but not over 24.Â* But still ....

-T


So you know it's something like a networking issue,
like a different in MTU definition somewhere.

Depending on where the FTP session is going
(like out the WAN).

Why aren't you capturing a second or two of this
FTP transfer with Wireshark, for a look ? What
do the packets tell you ? Are the packets 512 bytes,
1546 bytes, some other number ?

Â*Â* Paul


The FTP Server needed rebooting.

Total backup time: 0 hours, 9 minutes, 36 seconds


Now to figure out W10's issue. (I did reboot the server the
last time I trouble shoot it too but it did not help.)

Thank you for the tips!



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Old August 7th 19, 04:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/1/19 9:38 AM, Paul wrote:
IfÂ*FTPÂ*wasn'tÂ*suchÂ*aÂ*painÂ*toÂ*setÂ*up,Â*I'd *useÂ*itÂ*moreÂ*often.


Pretty easy in Linux. The last one I set up, I took
down notes as to how to do it. Would you like
a copy of them?

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Old August 7th 19, 04:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:11:46 -0700, T wrote:

On 8/1/19 9:38 AM, Paul wrote:
If*FTP*wasn't*such*a*pain*to*set*up,*I'd*use*it*mo re*often.


Pretty easy in Linux. The last one I set up, I took
down notes as to how to do it. Would you like
a copy of them?


I assume Paul was kidding. It only takes a few minutes to set up the IIS
FTP server in Windows. Third party FTP servers are about the same.

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Old August 7th 19, 07:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:11:46 -0700, T wrote:

On 8/1/19 9:38 AM, Paul wrote:
If FTP wasn't such a pain to set up, I'd use it more often.

Pretty easy in Linux. The last one I set up, I took
down notes as to how to do it. Would you like
a copy of them?


I assume Paul was kidding. It only takes a few minutes to set up the IIS
FTP server in Windows. Third party FTP servers are about the same.


Um, I'm not "hungry for FTP" at the moment. Thanks.

I needed an FTP server on a Windows box, when I wanted
to backup the hard drive on the Mac G4. The SMB client
on the Mac was broken (race condition when entering
username/password prevents authentication with any
Windows box). So I used an FTP pipe.

ftp binary
ftp put "|dd if=/dev/sda bs=73728" sda

That transfers all the sectors of /dev/sda to
an 80GB file called "sda" on the Windows box.

The OS used on the G4 at that instant in time,
might well have been the PowerPC version of Ubuntu
(need the MacOSX to "buzz off" so the files will
be at rest and the image will have integrity).

And later, I was able to mount the "sda" file
and work with it. I even did my own, crude,
partition editor program (when Gparted
attempted to **** up the partition table
on me).

So stuff like that is saved for birthdays
and special occasions.

And if you ask "why not just open the Mac box and
move the disk into the Windows box?". Good question.
The G4 quad nostril has a scissor case, and it also
has a custom cooling system mounted on the back of it.
I chose to use the "tricky method" so I would not
have to open it up and disturb anything. That machine
hasn't been opened for around 10 years or so. I
hate scissor cases (Dell uses those too).

Paul
 




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