What's the worst machine you saw running Windows 10?

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:39:48 -0400
"A.M" wrote:

On 2015-08-08 11:16 AM, Bermudez wrote:

I've this question to compare just to know if I should upgrade my
Windows 7 system with 2 GB RAM and Dual Core processor. The machine
came with Windows Vista then I installed Windows 7 but it is not
very fast.

I mean I'm happy with her but I'm not so sure if she has power
enough to run Windows 10. Then I presume Windows 10 will get slower
with more and more updates then will be impossible to reinstall
Windows 7 over Windows 10 because new system takes the machine.
Only way I see is to install Linux over Windows 10.

I can assure you that just about any distribution of Linux will run
quite well on 2GB. The problem is that most of their software is quite
buggy, the userbase consists of some of the most repulsive individuals
you'll ever meet and you won't necessarily get any real help for the
significant problems you're likely to face. Just compare Windows
newsgroups to Linux ones. People get along here whereas Linux ones
usually consist of people calling each other idiots and liars over the
slightest disagreement.


There are only a few of those in the Ubuntu group, and they crosspost
to the Linux Mint group for more attention.

Anyone that wants to try Linux Mint can get all the help they want in
alt.os.linux.mint.

Just killfile the trolls.

On 2015-08-08 3:59 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:39:48 -0400, A.M wrote:

I can assure you that just about any distribution of Linux will run
quite well on 2GB.

That is true.

The problem is that most of their software is quite buggy,

That is definitely FALSE.

My last experience in 2014 with Ubuntu on a beautifully-built machine
that runs every game in Windows at ultra settings at 60FPS: 1) screen
tearing in all games whether they are 2D or 3D (WITH proprietary
drivers), 2) a computer which refused to shut down, 3) a
router-connected printer which was no longer accessible. No, not buggy
at all.

the userbase consists of some of the most repulsive individuals
you'll ever meet and you won't necessarily get any real help for the
significant problems you're likely to face. Just compare Windows
newsgroups to Linux ones. People get along here whereas Linux ones
usually consist of people calling each other idiots and liars over the
slightest disagreement.

..and that ONLY happens because *YOU* go there and CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN. You
live up to your former nyms of "Slimer" and "Silver Slimer."

Bermudez, do not pay any attention to what this troll has to say about
Linux. He is just jealous.

I went there with the intention of speaking positively about Linux and
was immediately attacked and told that I was a sock and a liar (despite
them never informing me what I had lied about). I invite ANYONE who
doesn't believe me to go in there and see for themselves.

--
A.M
99 of 100 computer users agree: Linux sucks

If ever you meet a Linux advocate who doesn't lie, pinch yourself.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:21:34 -0400, A.M wrote:

On 2015-08-08 3:59 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
..and that ONLY happens because *YOU* go there and CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN.
You live up to your former nyms of "Slimer" and "Silver Slimer."

Bermudez, do not pay any attention to what this troll has to say about
Linux. He is just jealous.

I went there with the intention of speaking positively about Linux and
was immediately attacked and told that I was a sock and a liar (despite
them never informing me what I had lied about). I invite ANYONE who
doesn't believe me to go in there and see for themselves.

One only needs to read, just slightly, between the lines to see your true
colors and intent.

On 2015-08-08 4:25 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:21:34 -0400, A.M wrote:

On 2015-08-08 3:59 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
..and that ONLY happens because *YOU* go there and CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN.
You live up to your former nyms of "Slimer" and "Silver Slimer."

Bermudez, do not pay any attention to what this troll has to say about
Linux. He is just jealous.

I went there with the intention of speaking positively about Linux and
was immediately attacked and told that I was a sock and a liar (despite
them never informing me what I had lied about). I invite ANYONE who
doesn't believe me to go in there and see for themselves.

One only needs to read, just slightly, between the lines to see your true
colors and intent.

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Or, you can believe that Sam Hill here knows what's on my mind and trust
that he knows me better than I do myself... kind of like the Linux
"advocates" do.

Then, once you're had a miserable experience in Linux and been called
every word in the dictionary by the Linux "advocates," just remember
what Sam Hill wrote in a previous post: "A.M is just jealous."

Jealous of the fact that Linux-powered Android has 950 million
compromised devices which will never see a patch for three
vulnerabilities and especially jealous of the fact that only 1% of the
computer-using world is capable of tolerating Linux.

--
A.M
99 of 100 computer users agree: Linux sucks

If ever you meet a Linux advocate who doesn't lie, pinch yourself.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400
"A.M" wrote:

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Bermudez wrote:
I've this question to compare just to know if I should upgrade my
Windows 7 system with 2 GB RAM and Dual Core processor. The machine
came
with Windows Vista then I installed Windows 7 but it is not very fast.



It runs excellently on a tablet with Quad-core 1.33GHz (1.83GHz burst
frequency) Intel Atom Z3735F processor, 2GB RAM, 32 bit on a x64-based
processor, 24GB SSD + 32GB sd card.

I have no idea at all what the burst frequency is, but I've copied it
from a written spec.

Ed


"Burst" - Depends on CPU temperature. And how good a job the
designers did cooling the processor. It can burst to 1.83GHz
if the CPU is cool enough.

Under sustained load, it could drop to 1.33GHz.

And other thermal features could also be engaged
to drop performance further.

It is a $17 processor. A SOC (system-on-a-chip).

It has a 64 bit memory interface, a single channel.
Your RAM is the most RAM that CPU supports (2GB).

The datasheet for the processor was a hoot. Vol.1
was the usual kind of Intel document. The second
document was larger. It was probably machine
generated, rather than humans writing it, and
Vol.2 is 4274 pages long. I take it, no human
has ever been forced to read the whole thing.

In terms of page count, this is the largest
PDF I've ever opened.

I suppose a BIOS designer somewhere, might have
been required to read it... Yikes.

Paul

I was in PC World the other day and I had a play with a Surface Pro tablet.
My verdict; not better than the Linx 10 that I have; not faster, not
more HD, no better. And it costs more than twice as much.

And the Linx updated to Win10 with consummate ease and grace.

Take that large PDF through a different mind-set; one that proclaims the
vast attention to detail afforded to it, rather than as an encumbrance
designed to trip you up.

Ed

Where you would find the machines different (Surface Pro),
is when doing "compute jobs". Running 7ZIP on
Ultra compression, converting a movie to MP4,
doing Photoshop on a large file.

The OSes are designed on purpose, to try
to "equalize" the GUI, so that tablets and
desktops behave in a similar way. If you had
a 5GHz processor, the screen won't have any
additional "snap" to it. They tamed all that
with "events and timers" so a fast machine
can't be in too much of a rush.

If you want to see how computers would really
behave given a chance, look at a video of
the Temple OS. Herky-Jerky. No throttles.
You can tell things are running at "machine-rates"
in that OS. Not all slathered down with tricks
like the commercial OSes use. It looks horrible,
as GUI designs go, but it does give some
idea what modern design has robbed the
machine of.

I remember how I could do useful things, with
only a 1MHz processor. Now I own a 3000Mhz
processor. Is there any evidence it is
3000x faster ? Hard to spot.

Paul

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400 "A.M" wrote:

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

I agree with that statement completely. It is infested with the likes of
"A.M" (AKA Slimer, Silver Slimer) and a boatload of other Windows trolls.

On 08 Aug 2015, Johnny wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

No *.advocy group has any purpose other than trolling and dick-
measuring.

Sam Hill wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400 "A.M" wrote:

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

I agree with that statement completely. It is infested with the likes of
"A.M" (AKA Slimer, Silver Slimer) and a boatload of other Windows trolls.

Then why are you in a win10 newsgroup?

On 2015-08-08 4:48 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400
"A.M" wrote:

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

Well, if the aim is to verify whether it is indeed possible that Linux
advocates are indeed the horrible ****s I portray them to be, it's worth
seeing.

--
A.M
99 of 100 computer users agree: Linux sucks

If ever you meet a Linux advocate who doesn't lie, pinch yourself.

On 2015-08-08 5:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Sam Hill wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400 "A.M" wrote:

Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

I agree with that statement completely. It is infested with the likes of
"A.M" (AKA Slimer, Silver Slimer) and a boatload of other Windows trolls.

Then why are you in a win10 newsgroup?

Because we're all jealous and he feels the need to remind us of that
"fact" by spreading lies about the quality of Linux like a true advocate.

--
A.M
99 of 100 computer users agree: Linux sucks

If ever you meet a Linux advocate who doesn't lie, pinch yourself.

On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:46:25 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0500, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400 "A.M" wrote:
Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

I agree with that statement completely. It is infested with the likes
of "A.M" (AKA Slimer, Silver Slimer) and a boatload of other Windows
trolls.

Then why are you in a win10 newsgroup?

To learn more about the OS so I can support my clients, friends, and
relatives.

Please note the made-up lies that Slimer (A.M) posted as a reply to your
message. I am not an "advocate." Use what you like, but don't slander
others like he does.

That's why I responded to Message-ID:
Nothing but slander in an otherwise useful thread. Don't you see that?
It's how he operates.

On 2015-08-08 6:56 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:46:25 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:48:35 -0500, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:39:42 -0400 "A.M" wrote:
Like I said, anyone who doesn't believe me about Linux and especially
about its userbase is invited to go into comp.os.linux.advocacy and
converse with the people and to install Linux itself.

Only an idiot would waste their time in that group.

I agree with that statement completely. It is infested with the likes
of "A.M" (AKA Slimer, Silver Slimer) and a boatload of other Windows
trolls.

Then why are you in a win10 newsgroup?

To learn more about the OS so I can support my clients, friends, and
relatives.

The only group in there that likely exists is the "relatives" one.

Please note the made-up lies that Slimer (A.M) posted as a reply to your
message. I am not an "advocate." Use what you like, but don't slander
others like he does.

Have I slandered you so far?

That's why I responded to Message-ID:
Nothing but slander in an otherwise useful thread. Don't you see that?
It's how he operates.

Once again, let me know where I slandered you.

--
A.M
99 of 100 computer users agree: Linux sucks

If ever you meet a Linux advocate who doesn't lie, pinch yourself.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:52:13 +0100, "Bermudez"
wrote:

I've this question to compare just to know if I should upgrade my Windows 7
system with 2 GB RAM and Dual Core processor. The machine came with Windows
Vista then I installed Windows 7 but it is not very fast.


If it could run Vista I don't think 10 will be any more difficult for
it.

On 2015-08-08 8:39 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:52:13 +0100, "Bermudez"
wrote:

I've this question to compare just to know if I should upgrade my Windows 7
system with 2 GB RAM and Dual Core processor. The machine came with Windows
Vista then I installed Windows 7 but it is not very fast.


If it could run Vista I don't think 10 will be any more difficult for
it.

Agreed. 10 actually uses fewer resources that Vista did.

--
A.M

FUN FACT: Cubans would rather risk imprisonment for using Windows than
run Linux.