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W10 Upgrade Flag
I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks JW |
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I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks JW Install Win7 Use your key and activate it. Install Win7SP1 (should be available as a standalone download, so you don't have to pull it with Windows Update over and over again). Install IE11. Install IE11 Cumulative Update for month/year we are currently in. The purpose of this, is to reduce the wait-time for Windows Update screen to paint the update list. Internet Explorer dependency tree causes long delays in Windows Update. To reduce the delay, you can try to patch Internet Explorer as up to date as possible first. Visit Windows Update and do 200 updates (on top of SP1). (You won't be receiving IE11 or IE11 cumulative because you've already done them at this point.) Do several "reboot + Windows Update" again and again until you get the machine "full" of software. If '583 was received and installed properly, you may see the GWX icon in the lower-right corner. When I received '583 (thought I had unticked it), the first thing I noticed was one or two "GWX" programs listed in Task Manager. That's how I knew I had acquired it by accident. I was one reboot away from getting the icon... :-) Whew. Removed it before rebooting. ******* If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself. http://download.wsusoffline.net/ You would potentially need an older version, if building a WinXP archive. The current version probably still supports Windows 7. If you find an older version, AFAIK, all the WinXP files are still on the Microsoft server ready for download. They might well be there until 2020. The file manifest the tool uses when it downloads stuff, comes from Microsoft directly. The update files downloaded come from a Microsoft server. Not from the wsusoffline server. Wsusoffline basically provides an "engine" to collect updates. Microsoft would squash them like a bug, if they were caught distributing the files themselves. All they're allowed to do, is the engine. When you make your "client" folder, there should be something like a setup.exe, and that's how you'd patch an OS up with the least fuss possible. And then you could do your Win10 thing. When I use that here, I plug in my client USB stick, run the setup.exe, tick a few things, and... walk away. Very nice. ******* There are more efficient ways to do what you're trying to do. I'll assume you are making this "clean" disk on the machine already running Win7. 1) Using Macrium Reflect Free 6, clone or image&restore the source disk, to the empty disk. It's unimportant that the Win7 Ult you've got is a bit "dirty". You don't really need a "clean" Win7 for this exercise. Win7 only has to run well enough, to finish the Upgrade install (basically equivalent to executing a setup.exe on an Upgrade DVD or an Upgrade folder just downloaded). This will only work, if you have 20GB plus of space, for the new OS folder. Don't expect this to work on a Win7 Ult C: that has 2GB of space left. 2) If the cloned drive is already patched up to date in Windows Update, you already have the notification. 3) Do the update to Win10. Doing this step, creates an activation record at Microsoft, which is stored on a Microsoft server. It uses a hardware hash of your computer (basically, tne NIC MAC address) plus your Windows 7 key as "proof of purchase". Any time a future install of Win10 occurs, it calls home and looks up your hardware hash. If an activation record matches your previous info, Win10 is automatically activated. So the purpose of steps (1), (2), (3), is to create an activation record at Microsoft. Notice that this activation method, is "motherboard sensitive". If you change out the motherboard, your activation record is useless, and would require (1), (2), (3) again. 4) Now, download the Win10 DVD. Using the installer on there, you can reinstall Windows 10. In the process, using the custom partitioning tool at the beginning of the install, you can *erase* the hard drive. Now, the DVD will do an absolutely clean installation, with no memory at all of Windows 7. Your hardware hash will exist for that particular machine, on the Microsoft server, and so the OS can activate. It takes that NIC MAC address, looks it up, and finds your "Proof of Purchase". (Note that I'm using informal descriptive terms here, mainly to explain the principles involved, without getting the names and details perfectly right...) Note that, the Win10 DVD download page has "variant" behavior. The web page does different things, depending on what OS "calls" the server. If I download Win10 DVD from a Win10 browser, I get MediaCreationTool.exe. If I use my browser on WinXP, I am presented simple ISO9660 files to download. They're "cooked" (encrypted) and staged for a day on a Microsoft server, so they're not MSDN quality DVDs. And the first time I attempted to download, two DVD images were short and corrupted. (using WinXP to do the download). So there is some variation in behavior, depending on how you download. I expect the DVDs are functionally similar, so I don't know why they do **** like this. I would personally prefer an MSDN DVD, but if you want one of those, you'll have to Torrent it. Have fun, Paul |
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Wayne wrote:
I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10? |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:53:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Wayne wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10? no |
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On 2015-08-11 10:10, Paul wrote:
If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself. http://download.wsusoffline.net/ Wow, what a nice tool! Back on Win2k I used to download the updates manually one by one, and I had a batch script I coded which read a list of the updates to apply and the type of command needed to run them - there there were several variants of update packages, each with different command line switches. WHAT A PAIN it was! Have you used this tool? What happens if I delete some updates from the folder/ISO it creates? Will it balk and terminate when it finds a missing update, or will it keep going? Thanks. Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Member-+-David-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/Planetary-Society-+- oO-( )-Oo Windows error 10 Reserved for future mistakes. |
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B00ze wrote:
On 2015-08-11 10:10, Paul wrote: If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself. http://download.wsusoffline.net/ Wow, what a nice tool! Back on Win2k I used to download the updates manually one by one, and I had a batch script I coded which read a list of the updates to apply and the type of command needed to run them - there there were several variants of update packages, each with different command line switches. WHAT A PAIN it was! Have you used this tool? What happens if I delete some updates from the folder/ISO it creates? Will it balk and terminate when it finds a missing update, or will it keep going? Thanks. Best Regards, I didn't really give it a thorough workout. Just plugged it in and walked away. That was my test case. You might check to see if there is a manifest file it is using as its installation script. Maybe you can "delete stuff" as long as you mod the script ? Or mod the script, in an attempt to do the equivalent of "hiding" an update ? I may have looked at the structure in there at one time, but my memory is pretty short these days. The walking away is tailor made for situations like this, where you're installing just so you can get an activation record at Microsoft. I may have used my USB sticks for "test installs" that weren't for long term use. When I installed my recently purchased Win7, I did the 200 updates by hand, reading the description for each one. And deciding how many of those needed to be hidden. Since it was a new copy of Win7, I didn't particularly want to see the GWX notification :-) Paul |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:
I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update. The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a (a) Windows 7 SP1 or (b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update. The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a (a) Windows 7 SP1 or (b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1. Thank you JW |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update. The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a (a) Windows 7 SP1 or (b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1. I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is because I have W7 Ultimate SP1? JW echo Windows 7 detected... echo. set upcheck=3035583 set upcheck=2952664 Try adding that second item to your "mix". "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664 The above information was extracted from win10fix_full.bat . HTH, Paul |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:04:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update. The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a (a) Windows 7 SP1 or (b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1. I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is because I have W7 Ultimate SP1? JW echo Windows 7 detected... echo. set upcheck=3035583 set upcheck=2952664 Try adding that second item to your "mix". "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664 The above information was extracted from win10fix_full.bat . HTH, Paul Did all this in command window: echo Windows 7 detected... echo. set upcheck=3035583 set upcheck=2952664 Went to the web site - makes me wonder - I am using the X64 version of W7 Ultimate. I'll take a look at win10fix_full.bat TX JW |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:04:06 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:04:24 -0400, Paul wrote: wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe , and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it? When? Do I need to go that route? Thanks The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update. The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a (a) Windows 7 SP1 or (b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1. I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is because I have W7 Ultimate SP1? JW echo Windows 7 detected... echo. set upcheck=3035583 set upcheck=2952664 Try adding that second item to your "mix". "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664 The above information was extracted from win10fix_full.bat . HTH, Paul Did all this in command window: echo Windows 7 detected... echo. set upcheck=3035583 set upcheck=2952664 Went to the web site - makes me wonder - I am using the X64 version of W7 Ultimate. I'll take a look at win10fix_full.bat TX JW I ran win10fix_full.bat All seems ok - says I have the update. TX JW |
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VanguardLH wrote: Wayne wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10? no Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates. Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory. |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:41:01 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Wayne wrote: VanguardLH wrote: Wayne wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10? no Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates. Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory. Since post, I have installed all the updates. Still no 'flag'! JW |
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:41:01 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Wayne wrote: VanguardLH wrote: Wayne wrote: I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10? no Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates. Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory. Since post, I have installed all the updates. Still no 'flag'! After getting all available updates, did you check your update history to ensure you got the Get Windows 10 app/update that others mentioned? Could be your hardware is not considered sufficient for Windows 10. Although you mention using Windows 7 Ultimate, perhaps you have a [sub]minimal hardware configuration. The assumption is that if your hardware is capable of running Windows 7/8 then it should be sufficient to run Windows 10. Some info he http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...ations#sysreqs The "Get Windows 10" app doesnąt appear in Windows 7 or 8.1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3081048 which says "If your edition is Windows 7 Enterprise, this PC is not eligible for the free Windows 10 upgrade" The Enterprise edition is volume licensed. The Ultimate edition is retail or OEM licensed. The same product but different licensing. However, other users have claimed Windows 7 Ultimate does qualify for the free Windows 10 upgrade (you get Windows 10 Professional since there is no Windows 10 Ultimate edition). Also, since the Win10 lure flag relies on using automated updates to check availability, perhaps you configured Windows Update to NOT automatically download and install updates. Tried to run WU after running WU to get the update checker update? More info at: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...883265b?auth=1 From Microsoft's Q&A page for Windows 10, "We are rolling the upgrades out in phases to manage high demand and to make sure that your upgrade is right for your device. You might not have received a notification because we are working on a specific compatibility fix for your device, or it could be because of the overall volume of devices upgrading to Windows 10." So they'll offer it to you when they feel like it. |
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