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10, a losing proposition
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
Try Solaris. I used Solaris for years at work. ******* This VM has been in a saved state since 2007, since it doesn't have a Tulip driver, and without a network driver, I have no easy way in and out. I guess I saved state, and never went back to finish the project. https://s14.postimg.org/3s5kusa29/solaris_from_2007.jpg A swing and a miss. Generally, if the I/O doesn't work on a VM, that pretty well dooms it. No driver, no fun. Paul |
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Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500, wrote: I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has. Reading this group, I feel I've made the right decision. My 3 biggest concern are that 10 : (1) updates when it feels like it, where 7 updates only if and when I want. (2) Didn't I see that adverts were inbedded ? (3) 10 must naturally consume more system resources and HD. On that last point I find 10 needs less resources. I have Windows 10 running on a Pentium 1.6 with 1 GB RAM and it is able to do some useful things like play youtube full screen. What have you got for a video card ? Sometimes video gets help from hardware acceleration. Adobe Flash was hardware accelerated. Since HTML5 (Youtube default) uses different video CODECs, the browser might or might not be using the GPU for those. Another thing a video card does is scaling. With a recent enough hardware card, the video decoding is "window sized". Then when you request full screen, the hardware scaler inside the GPU, scales the pixmap up for free, to the full size of the screen. If that function is missing on a video card, if the video card is too old, it takes around 40% of a Pentium 4 to do the scaling function on the CPU instead. Sometimes the CPU had a little help with this, which is why when people benchmark video playback, the computing load can vary from box to box by a factor of 10. One guy can have a CPU running 10% and enjoying video, another can have a CPU railed doing the same thing and the video is stuttering and dropping frames. Paul |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:52:12 -0500, Paul wrote:
Lucifer Morningstar wrote: Try Solaris. I used Solaris for years at work. ******* This VM has been in a saved state since 2007, since it doesn't have a Tulip driver, and without a network driver, I have no easy way in and out. I guess I saved state, and never went back to finish the project. https://s14.postimg.org/3s5kusa29/solaris_from_2007.jpg A swing and a miss. Generally, if the I/O doesn't work on a VM, that pretty well dooms it. No driver, no fun. What, no console connection? Doesn't every VM at least have that by default? |
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:38:04 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I found M$ "end of support" to have little to no effect of the usability of the system. Eventually, there'll be compatibility problems, but it takes 2 or 3 years before that happens. IIRC, I used Win2000 for more than 3 years after M$ end of support. I totally agree. There are things that will push me to move away from an OS, but Microsoft support isn't one of them. BTW, I still read M$ and think "M-string", because of BASIC variable names from the eighties, where $ after the variable name means a string variable. I do the same. M$ is pronounced M-string. |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:52:12 -0500, Paul wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: Try Solaris. I used Solaris for years at work. ******* This VM has been in a saved state since 2007, since it doesn't have a Tulip driver, and without a network driver, I have no easy way in and out. I guess I saved state, and never went back to finish the project. https://s14.postimg.org/3s5kusa29/solaris_from_2007.jpg A swing and a miss. Generally, if the I/O doesn't work on a VM, that pretty well dooms it. No driver, no fun. What, no console connection? Doesn't every VM at least have that by default? What I recollect at the time, is initially I was looking at bringing in source in floppy-sized loads. But the evidence I see in that VM now, it looks like I got the CD working, and brought something in via the CD perhaps. But then the next item was a compiler. I don't know if there was a gcc or a g++ or whatever in there. I don't even remember what that environment uses for package management. There's nothing wrong with compiling from source (Gentoo is like that), but you do need a basic set of tools on the installer CDs to grease the rails. It was a question of how much more work I was willing to do, and to what end. With what I got so far, I got to look at the GUI again. But using a cross-platform browser in there, is going to be no more exciting than on any other platform. And I don't have any specific software for that platform to make it worthwhile to continue with the experiment. ******* Now that you mention it, there is serial port emulation. With two ports on the PC, I could loop a character stream back into the machine and send stuff to the VM that way. But that wouldn't be a lot of fun for a large file transfer. The other aspect here, is back when I started that little project, all I had was VPC2007. Now I run both VirtualBox and VPC2007 (just not at the same time), and if I was starting over again today, I'd be doing it in VirtualBox. And that would be emulating yet another network interface, which may or may not have drivers. So rather than reach for a serial cable, it would probably be time to switch VM hosts. I might get lucky and discover a match on drivers. Paul |
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On 12/21/2017 4:25 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote: But I've received a TON of bitchy responses from others in the newsgroups. Speaking of responses, how did your "free upgrade" attempt to Win10 by Dec.31 go ? Did it activate ? Paul Did 4 laptops. Went without a hitch. We'll see if anything crops up later. |
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On 12/21/2017 4:25 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote: But I've received a TON of bitchy responses from others in the newsgroups. Speaking of responses, how did your "free upgrade" attempt to Win10 by Dec.31 go ? Did it activate ? Paul one more tidbit. I've been disappointed by the amount of disk thrashing that win10 does, especially during updates. I ripped out the laptop drive and replaced it with a SSD. According to task manager, the average disk response time went down by a factor of several hundred. Updates have become much more tolerable. |
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Good, then go to the 7 group & stop the BS here. Well I'm always open to new things, in case there's a good reason to go to 10 that I may have overlooked. Already regularly in the 7 group. |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:15:21 +0100, Ann O'Nyme
wrote: On 21/12/2017 21:57, Johnny wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500 wrote: I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has Cut! There is no reason to give it up for 10. Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen. I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was going to end support. I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have to. https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458 sigh What is the best advert for using Windows? Just follow the bickering between Linux advocates about "which distro..." "what release..." and let them shoot themselves in the foot. That plus no coherent support of any sort in the linux "community" of hillbillies. It's like taking advice on best hooch from inbred mountain folks. +1 KenW |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 09:54:41 -0500
Wolf K wrote: Cut! I was once on a Linux newsgroup. I had installed SuSe, and had created two users. When I tried to change some setting for User 2, it disappeared. I got no help, just hee-haws at the stupid Windroid who dared to attempt Linux. I was called a Windroid troll almost immediately when I first posted to a Linux newsgroup, but found out there were only a few people with that attitude. The majority of Linux users are willing to help a new user. I post to alt.os.linux.mint and will be glad to help any new users. Give the group a try, and I think you will be surprised at the help you receive. |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 09:54:41 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: On 2017-12-24 07:15, Ann O'Nyme wrote: On 21/12/2017 21:57, Johnny wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500 wrote: I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has Cut! There is no reason to give it up for 10. Windows 10 is the worst POS I have ever seen. I used Windows 7 for years, but gave it up because I knew Microsoft was going to end support. I moved to Linux Mint, and would never think about using Windows 10. It just amazes me why people put up with Microsoft when they don't have to. https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3458 sigh What is the best advert for using Windows? Just follow the bickering between Linux advocates about "which distro..." "what release..." and let them shoot themselves in the foot. That plus no coherent support of any sort in the linux "community" of hillbillies. It's like taking advice on best hooch from inbred mountain folks. Aw, it ain't quite that bad. I like Linux Mint, but the programs I like don't have Linux versions. If I wanted to do only email, browsing, a bit if minor image tweaking, and writing, I'd use Mint a lot more than I do. Which is not at all right now. Libre Office/Open Office is just an MS Office clone, sort of, and I much prefer WordPerfect, especially since will handle MS Office files just fine. There's an image processor which is sort of a Photoshop clone, and suffers form the latter's excess. The two or three things I occasionally want Photoshop for are done more than adequately by an ancient copy of PS Essentials (I think the name has changed since then). I install the latest Mint version about once a year, try out the latest programs or versions thereof, and go back to Windows. I was once on a Linux newsgroup. I had installed SuSe, and had created two users. When I tried to change some setting for User 2, it disappeared. I got no help, just hee-haws at the stupid Windroid who dared to attempt Linux. Later, I rashly expressed a wish for some standardisation, so that ordinary folks would find Linux _at least_ as easy to use as Windows. NB the emphasis: I naively assumed that the Linux "community" wanted to do make a better product than Windows. The vituperation that spewed at me was astonishing. I played tit-for-tat for a while, got bored with that game, and unsubscribed. Wow, a good Wolf K post. I'm stunned. What you're describing is what most of us who showed any interest in Linux experienced as well. The Linux advocates regularly lie and claim that amateurs are welcome and that they are well-supported by the community but the opposite is generally the reality. Also, it's quite shocking how often people will claim that Linux is superior in every way to Windows all the while providing anyone with a slight interest with a product that is CLEARLY inferior in every way except for security. Graphics performance is much worse, proper hardware support is lacking and there is a mind-boggling lack of consistency that drives many people out the door and back onto Windows or Mac OS. It _does_ provide you with a better default experience (post-installation) and will definitely be a lot more secure if you don't plan on purchasing additional software, but those of us who can afford to do us will be way better served with Windows. Again, good post. |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 11:46:16 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:
Wow, a good Wolf K post. I'm stunned. Come on, he's not that bad! |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:49:05 +1100, Lucifer
Morningstar wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:39:06 -0500, wrote: I'm still with 7, on both my desktop and laptop, and likely to remain so. When 8 came along, I thoroughly checked it out, and concluded, not for me. With 10, I've repeatedly asked, if anyone could give me one good reason to give up 7 for 10, and so far nobody has. Reading this group, I feel I've made the right decision. My 3 biggest concern are that 10 : (1) updates when it feels like it, where 7 updates only if and when I want. (2) Didn't I see that adverts were inbedded ? (3) 10 must naturally consume more system resources and HD. On that last point I find 10 needs less resources. I have Windows 10 running on a Pentium 1.6 with 1 GB RAM and it is able to do some useful things like play youtube full screen. But being Lucifer you have extraordinary powers. |
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