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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 6/13/19 6:03 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: What's your definition of "quality mails"? snip however, for really huge e-mails, the duplication can make the message so large that it exceeds your provider's outbound quota, The only time I've ever had an issue with this was when there large attachments. When I know the attachments will be large, I copy the attachment to Dropbox and just send a link. the recipient's inbound max message size, or can't fit in their Inbox (because they use the Inbox as a long-term trash cart). This has the feel of being "behind the times" for the message size, and user ignorance for the other. Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore. snip -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 13/06/2019 19.23, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: What's your definition of "quality mails"? One part of quality is that all sent e-mails should contain both a plain-text version of the message along with an [optional] HTML MIME part to add the formatting to the message. that's not quality, that's technically required. Nope. I can send any kind: just plain text, just html, or both. It's a choice, not a requirement. html mail should always have a plain text version so that recipients are guaranteed to be able to read the contents no matter what email client they use. if the client can't render html, then the text will be readable, just without the fancy formatting. better yet, html mail should not be used for all sorts of reasons, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Or ever. There is simply no other format for rendering capable text formatting that is agreed upon by all parties. It is possible for some enterprise suite to use some internal format, and convert to html when going "outside", but that's all. That is, when using HTML to compose your e-mail, you are doubling its size (in a proper client): one copy of the message is in the text portion of the body and a duplicate of the message is in a MIME section for the HTML-formatted version. The duplication is usually a trivial concern since most e-mails are under 15KB in size; however, for really huge e-mails, the duplication can make the message so large that it exceeds your provider's outbound quota, the recipient's inbound max message size, or can't fit in their Inbox (because they use the Inbox as a long-term trash cart). nonsense. the size limit is sufficient to handle attachments, and an email that is just text, even with an html counterpart, is not going to reach that limit. Depends on the server. If the limit is 100K, and the post is 80K plain text, the total post will be over 200 K and will bounce. That you say 100 K is absurd? Probably. I have used servers with 1 MB limit. Try to send a 5 MB post through gmail, the last time I tried it bounced. a general rule of thumb is 2k per page of plain text, so your example of 80k plain text is about 40 pages. that's an insanely long email, by anyone's standards. Sure, but I have seen it :-) something that long should be written and edited in a separate app and then sent as an attachment, or a link to a cloud copy. Yep, but I have seen it :-) You only have to get inside a company that does things by internal email with cc to a lot of people and use topposting with the entire thread going back two weeks :-D Worse, they mail a word document to everybody, and the replies include again the document. Insane default. I have seen this with an internal Exchange server, which of course got overloaded fast. Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. Without the text version of the message, a client can't show the text but may show the HTML coding of the message. many times, it shows nothing at all. Nope wrong. i've seen that happen many, many times. That mail clients don't do bad conversions of html to plain text, when the post comes in html only? Common... it happens to me quite often. Just get an html with tables and see what happens in alpine or mutt. Some text-only clients are smart enough to figure out how to strip out the HTML code in HTML-only message, but they make mistakes. nope. Oh yes. nope. that's difficult to impossible to reliably do. there's also no need to do that since if a developer is going to write code to extract text from html, they might as well just render the html. Well, there are mail clients that don't. 'they make mistakes' is an understatement, if it even tries. I ran into that for users of Microsoft's Outlook app for Android. That's the problem when writing new apps for a different platform: the apps are necessarily smaller meaning they cannot have as much code as the legacy desktop program, plus often the new app is getting written by new programmers who don't have the historical knowledge of the e-mail protocols, Internet message formats, or de facto standards. nonsense. you know nothing about mobile app development. Well, but you fail to give an explanation of why they lack features and make big errors... features depend on what the app developer chooses to provide, which has absolutely nothing to do with mobile or desktop nor does it only apply to email apps. the belief that mobile apps as a group are somehow less functional is simply bull****. in fact, the opposite is often the case since that's where the best developers are. for apps that exist on both mobile and desktop (not jut email), the core functionality is often shared code between the two, with the user interface code being different (and in some cases, not by very much). I'd start a discussing via e-mail, the replies where hierarchical, except for anyone using the Outlook Android app which was missing the References header. As I recall, it was over a year of complaints before Microsoft fixed their Android app. it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as you think it does. It matters a lot. I have seen the disasters this causes. it's rare. Not that rare. I participate on dozens of mail lists, and now and then comes someone that uses some strange webmail or corporate software breaking the threading. What is not realized by most e-mail users is that ALL e-mail gets sent as plain text. I mean ALL of it. also wrong. there are several email providers that send/receive encrypted email, and users can also do so on their own. Still text. it is *not* plain text. Of course it is - mail servers can only handle plain text. The text is formatted with strict rules, such as only certain chars are allowed, lines of fixed length, etc. You can view it with a plain text editor, such as notepad, but of course can not "read" what it says without the key. Like this: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v2 hQEOA+DMGyS6ljYGEAP+MsrNMt9kxgO6KEilmQqGhk6M3Hk8Dr FuTYJM34Z5pc3F +k/K6mXJ0N33jvrLWPinz/AK2UuyHj8Tpn7yZJAL0XxlD7sboaQ97df+9GtGfCz3 BqOxjdgmLm+lNTQmX2Fkzaa0cVW+dgoJ1d/OO5MoRyVXawmJCo0U2Ph+Wb+2Vp8D It is plain text :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 14/06/2019 12.19, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/13/19 6:03 AM, VanguardLH wrote: Ken Springer wrote: Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore. snip Me. I participate on many mail lists where html mails is forbidden and bounced by the mail server. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore. not many, but it's not zero. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: What is not realized by most e-mail users is that ALL e-mail gets sent as plain text. I mean ALL of it. also wrong. there are several email providers that send/receive encrypted email, and users can also do so on their own. Still text. it is *not* plain text. Of course it is - mail servers can only handle plain text. The text is formatted with strict rules, such as only certain chars are allowed, lines of fixed length, etc. You can view it with a plain text editor, such as notepad, but of course can not "read" what it says without the key. Like this: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v2 hQEOA+DMGyS6ljYGEAP+MsrNMt9kxgO6KEilmQqGhk6M3Hk8Dr FuTYJM34Z5pc3F +k/K6mXJ0N33jvrLWPinz/AK2UuyHj8Tpn7yZJAL0XxlD7sboaQ97df+9GtGfCz3 BqOxjdgmLm+lNTQmX2Fkzaa0cVW+dgoJ1d/OO5MoRyVXawmJCo0U2Ph+Wb+2Vp8D It is plain text :-) there is a difference between text and plain text, the latter of which is human readable. encrypted email is *not* plain text. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: I participate on many mail lists where html mails is forbidden and bounced by the mail server. awesome. if only that was everywhere. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 6/13/19 5:05 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 6/10/19 6:10 PM, VanguardLH wrote: Windows 10 Home x64 build 1803 I do not want any notifications on my lockscreen. This violates my privacy by exposing my e-mails and calendar events to anyone that wanders by my computer to look at the lockscreen. Mail and Calendar are showing their notifications (reminders) on my lockscreen. I'm not talking about the popup or toaster notifications on the bottom right-side of the lockscreen although I also do NOT want those, either. I'm talking about the in-screen notifications (aka reminders) about my e-mails and scheduled events from the Mail and Calendar apps that appear in the lockscreen at the bottom left. I don't want toaster popups about my e-mails and calendar events. I don't want them as reminders within the lockscreen image itself, either. I have gone to "Settings - Personalization - Lock screen" and removed all apps that were listed under "Choose apps to show quick status". There is no Remove or Delete option. You click on the app in the list and scroll to the top of the app list to select "None". I have gone to "Settings - System - Notifications & actions" and deselected the "Show notifications on lock screen" option. I also have "Show reminders and incoming VOIP calls on the lock screen" disabled. I have logged off and back on, in case those options are effected only on login. Nope, I still get the reminders at the bottom left-side of the lockscreen under the clock and datestamp lines. OK..... So how do I suggest this, without irritating sensibilities... :-) Rather than use the MS apps, why not try 3rd party software? I did have a subscription to Office 365 but let it run out about the time I did the Win10 build. That gave me Outlook 2016/2019 which is a hell of lot better than the Mail and Calendar and People apps that come with Windows 10. Costs money, though. IIMO, good stuff, or supposedly good stuff, always costs money. People seem to forget, there's no such thing as a free lunch. I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. Neither have I any interest in subscriptions. Current Office 365 is $100/yr. 2 years ago, I spent $60 for a competing product. It does more than I need, and I've saved money. I don't believe most people buy Office because they need Office, but someone else says they need Office. For now, and until I decide to go back to Office 365, I'm using LibreOffice (but already have encountered differences in how it renders docs and xlsx files), but it's pretty good. Doesn't come with e-mail, calendar, or contact functions, though. "Everybody" says they are compatible with Office files. But I've yet to see one that is 100% compatible. And the only way you know if the program is accurate converting the Office file is if you have access to Office to compare it. For that reason, I tell people to share the files as a PDF. For the most part, I'm speaking about home users. Sorry, don't bother suggesting Thunderbird to me. I trialed that several times. The last time was the longest at 6 months, but I couldn't stand it anymore and went back to Outlook. I don't recommend any particular program to anyone anymore. I recommend a type or class of program(s) and tell them to try a variety until they find the one they like. Back then, TB didn't do Exchange. You had to get an extension (ExQuilla) to add Exchange, and I don't know how robust is that extension. The extension's web page notes "allows TB users to read messages and contacts on MS Exchange Server." Okay, but calendar isn't mentioned, and I need that. Their home site (https://www.exquilla.com/) says, "We are planning an ExQuilla version with calendar." So, it doesn't have calendar sync yet, but the Outlook client and emClient can do it. TB has merged the Lightning calendar into TB, and I sync my Google calendars. I don't know about Exchange. It is also a *payware* extension to use in a freeware e-mail client. Not only is ExQuilla payware, but it is also subscriptionware ($11.61 USB per year). Not it's getting insulting to use this extension in Tbird. em Client is a one-time fee ($50) to get more than 2 accounts in the free version. I'm not looking for a few-year solution, but a many-year solution. Never heard of either of those, but emClient looks interesting. Be nice if there was a Linux version. snip emClient looks interesting but the free version only supports 2 accounts, and I have 4 accounts. I can trial it with just 2 to see if I like it. Other than the 2-account restriction, it is fully functional. It supports Exchange ActiveSync, so it should sync okay with my Hotmail account (primary e-mail) and its calendaring and contacts just like how Outlook works. Looks like emClient is out for me. I've got more than 4 accounts, way more! LOL There is no guarantee that the lockscreen reminders will go away by going to a 3rd party or other local app. True, but you don't know unless you try. I've learned not to believe what I read on web pages. LOL Do YOU actually know or are just guessing that Cortana or the Mail and Calendar apps do not connect to my Hotmail account to then dump that personal info on the lock screen? Because you said "try", I suspect you're just guessing the 3rd party apps (well, other than Mail and Calendar) won't pollute my lock screen. Since that personal data on the lock screen appears to be a Cortana function, I'm guessing going to 3rd party apps won't help. Killing Cortana is probably the fix. I have no idea. But when I set up my W10, I did not give W10 permission to collect all that information from my computer. But, I obviously do not do my email on Windows. I'm using a Microsoft account in Windows 10, not an offline or local Windows accounts. That means Windows 10 *is* connecting to my online account, so Cortana can get at my e-mails and events, and it appears Cortana is the culprit of adding the quick access reminders on the lock screen. I'm not quite ready to pull the plug on Cortana, but I likely will. Cortana and the search are integrated. In 1903, they're separated, so if I ever get 1903 then that's probably when I'll nuke Cortana (and check if my lock screen becomes clean). I *think* I have 1903 as of 2 days ago, based only on changes that were coming that I now see. But I've not spotted anything that says 1903. I have both MS and Apple accounts, but I log in to my systems with local accounts.. I just have no need to have my systems "tethered to the mother ship". G snip -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 6/14/19 6:58 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore. not many, but it's not zero. Then basically,text only is a niche market, and is not the future for the majority of users. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: Just because a sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore. not many, but it's not zero. Then basically,text only is a niche market, and is not the future for the majority of users. unfortunately. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better. |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 6/14/19 10:04 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better. But competency does not equal features and usability. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better. But competency does not equal features and usability. mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher quality displays and no legacy baggage. it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard. |
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On 6/14/19 9:52 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
I*think* I have 1903 as of 2 days ago, based only on changes that were coming that I now see. But I've not spotted anything that says 1903. Before I leave for the weekend, I checked, and I do have 1903. Running on Vista era hardware. G -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
On 6/14/19 11:05 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better. But competency does not equal features and usability. mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher quality displays and no legacy baggage. it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard. Show me a 100% zoom of a letter sized document, no scrolling, WYSIWYG. :-) -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant. phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better. But competency does not equal features and usability. mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher quality displays and no legacy baggage. it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard. Show me a 100% zoom of a letter sized document, no scrolling, WYSIWYG. :-) phones can use external displays, or use a tablet. no big deal. not all desktop computers have a display large enough to do that either, certainly not ones that can be easily carried. |
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