Windows 10 is garbage

"Ken Blake" wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 20:30:59 +0100, "Apd" wrote:
Seems to me that beyond W2k, as well as making improvements, they
incrementally add more bloat.

Perhaps some, but not a lot. And it's easy to turn most of it off.

Turn off bloat? Turn off unwanted functionality, perhaps. And how
about *complete* control of what data MS collects and how updates are
managed.

I read this group and also places
frequented by IT professionals to see the kind of trouble people have
with Win10. I hear mostly criticism of Win10 and Microsoft's

People come here and to places like it to get help with their
problems, not to tell us how wonderful Windows 10 is.

I was thinking more of criticism from the people who give advice here
and computer professionals elsewhere rather than users, although some
users who don't need help are critical.

behaviour. The difficulty or inability to configure the workings and
appearance of the OS or to remove certain software components being
examples.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no great difficulty or inability.
It's generally easy.

"generally" might not be good enough. There's also the constant churn
and breakage of existing functionality. Presumably, you've not been
affected.

Apd wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote:

People come here and to places like it to get help with their
problems, not to tell us how wonderful Windows 10 is.

I was thinking more of criticism from the people who give advice here
and computer professionals elsewhere rather than users, although some
users who don't need help are critical.

It's not an advocacy group as such, because it
doesn't have advocacy in the name.

People criticize the stuff that costs them.

For example, the interface could be a personal taste
issue. Some like the appearance of the old interface,
because they're more familiar with it.

You're going to hear more criticism of stuff that's
busted.

For example, I spent/wasted a couple hours trying to
back up W10-1903 C: drive. Macrium is normally a pretty
high quality piece of software for this purpose
(it will even back up EXT2/EXT3/EXT4). But Microsoft
has been fooling around with the Volume Bitmap, even
though the NTFS file system version is "frozen" at 3.1
and "the spec didn't change". But you'll soon discover
they changing a lot of things under the hood and this
has side effects. It broke Macrium and Macrium has
been throwing "Error 9" on various versions of Windows 10.
First it was the Insider Edition that wouldn't back up,
and now it's spread to the 1903 on my "release" drive.

I managed to get a 6.3.1685 version of Macrium about an
hour ago, and now it's working again.

When Microsoft fiddles with stuff, it costs third-party
companies a lot of money. They drove the VirtualBox people
crazy a while ago, when MS made some changes to some
kernel file format. As you would expect, hosting software
for virtual machines is "slightly intrusive", and there
are a number of things the host does to a guest image
to make it runnable. When a file format changes, the
details have to be encoded in a new version of hosting
software. When you see VirtualBox release software
every two days, you know some poor bugger is up all
night figuring out what Microsoft just changed and
trying to keep up with "fresh releases" to cover it.

In my opinion, the "rolling release" model is a disaster,
because morons are running the show. If Sun Microsystems
was running this project, it wouldn't be a mess like this!

I have got to think that "ordinary users", you know,
the "reference Grandma who is running Linux", they
have got to be seeing this "Error 9" stuff and
wondering what's going on. I suppose there would be
a bigger commotion, if "you couldn't update Facebook"
or something (then people would care). As that's all
grandma uses the Windows 10 computer for (when she's
not doing particle physics simulations).

Paul

"Paul" wrote:
Apd wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote:
People come here and to places like it to get help with their
problems, not to tell us how wonderful Windows 10 is.

I was thinking more of criticism from the people who give advice here
and computer professionals elsewhere rather than users, although some
users who don't need help are critical.

It's not an advocacy group as such, because it
doesn't have advocacy in the name.

Advocates are likely to keep quiet about or downplay any negatives.

People criticize the stuff that costs them.

It can also be for other reasons.

For example, the interface could be a personal taste
issue. Some like the appearance of the old interface,
because they're more familiar with it.

Exactly, so why don't MS allow a choice?

You're going to hear more criticism of stuff that's
busted.

Sure.

For example, I spent/wasted a couple hours trying to
back up W10-1903 C: drive. Macrium is normally a pretty
high quality piece of software for this purpose
(it will even back up EXT2/EXT3/EXT4). But Microsoft
has been fooling around with the Volume Bitmap, even
though the NTFS file system version is "frozen" at 3.1
and "the spec didn't change". But you'll soon discover
they changing a lot of things under the hood and this
has side effects. It broke Macrium and Macrium has
been throwing "Error 9" on various versions of Windows 10.
[...]

There's an example of them breaking something for no good reason. I
believe NTFS was never fully documented but the least they could do
is increase the version when changes are made. A software company
then has a heads-up and existing products can fail gracefully if a
version check is reliable.

When Microsoft fiddles with stuff, it costs third-party
companies a lot of money.

Yes. [snip another example]

In my opinion, the "rolling release" model is a disaster,

Indeed; hence the title of this topic and my agreement with it.

because morons are running the show.

It does appear so.

If Sun Microsystems
was running this project, it wouldn't be a mess like this!

Would it not - they ain't around any more are they?