Macrium

As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the HD
in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

On 6/17/19 11:32 AM, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the HD
in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You don't need a "bootable backup", and I'm nit picking the words The
Macrium CD you can make once Macrium is installed, is your boot
recovery. It then uses the image on the USB to restore.

Are you making an image or cloning? You want to make an image. I'm
surprised that it bulks at the size unless you are cloning a 1TB HD.
Macrium on an image, compresses the data and only backs up the data not
the empty space.

Al.

On 6/17/2019 11:40 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 6/17/19 11:32 AM, Bill (not Jillians)Â* wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You don't need a "bootable backup", and I'm nit picking the wordsÂ*Â* The
Macrium CD you can make once Macrium is installed, is your boot
recovery.Â*Â* It then uses the image on the USB to restore.

Are you making an image or cloning?Â* You want to make an image.Â*Â* I'm
surprised that it bulks at the size unless you are cloning a 1TB HD.
Macrium on an image, compresses the data and only backs up the data not
the empty space.

Al.

Yes. The USB drive I'm trying to clone (not image) to is fully
formatted 971GB or one TB Western Digital easy store

So you're saying I should make an image then?

Will it be bootable?

I really am lost here.

On 17/06/2019 17:32, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Yes, you can, but there is no need to.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

Yes. If you start Macrium off the dvd, you can select an image file on
an USB drive.

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the HD
in this machine has far less than that on it.

That's weird. What's more on your USB drive? Anyway, you should format
in in NTFS, not in FAT.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

A better idea is to install a recovery system on your hard disk or SSD,
whatever you have. In that case you can choose which system to boot
after starting up: Windows or Macrium. Choosing Macrium gives you the
option to install an image in the C: partition.
To do so, open Macrium,
Choose Other Tasks,
Choose Create Rescue Media,
Choose Windows Boot Menu,
And proceed from that.

Succes!

Fokke

On 6/17/2019 1:29 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 17/06/2019 17:32, Bill (not Jillians)Â* wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Yes, you can, but there is no need to.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

Yes. If you start Macrium off the dvd, you can select an image file on
an USB drive.

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

That's weird. What's more on your USB drive? Anyway, you should format
in in NTFS, not in FAT.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

A better idea is to install a recovery system on your hard disk or SSD,
whatever you have. In that case you can choose which system to boot
after starting up: Windows or Macrium. Choosing Macrium gives you the
option to install an image in the C: partition.
To do so, open Macrium,
Choose Other Tasks,
Choose Create Rescue Media,
Choose Windows Boot Menu,
And proceed from that.

This cheap HP Pavillion already has a recovery partition on the hard
drive (SSD) It's called E:

What I'm trying to do is preserve my system as it is, not revert to
'like it was when it was new'

Perhaps I'm going about it the wrong way?

Thank you.

"Bill (not Jillians) " wrote:

As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD)
will I then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm
trying to clone it to?

Use a secondary system drive. Put your backups in a folder on that
secondary drive.

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though
the HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

That is a not uncommon error. I experienced it maybe one year ago,
forgot what the solution is. You can find discussion by searching
the Internet.

On 17/06/2019 19:57, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
On 6/17/2019 1:29 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 17/06/2019 17:32, Bill (not Jillians)Â* wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Yes, you can, but there is no need to.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

Yes. If you start Macrium off the dvd, you can select an image file on
an USB drive.

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

That's weird. What's more on your USB drive? Anyway, you should format
in in NTFS, not in FAT.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

A better idea is to install a recovery system on your hard disk or
SSD, whatever you have. In that case you can choose which system to
boot after starting up: Windows or Macrium. Choosing Macrium gives you
the option to install an image in the C: partition.
To do so, open Macrium,
Choose Other Tasks,
Choose Create Rescue Media,
Choose Windows Boot Menu,
And proceed from that.

This cheap HP Pavillion already has a recovery partition on the hard
drive (SSD)Â* It's called E:

What I'm trying to do is preserve my system as it is, not revert to
'like it was when it was new'

Perhaps I'm going about it the wrong way?

Thank you.


Forget about your recovery partition.
You can either startup Macrium from the dvd, or from the boot menu, as I
described above.
Create the image that you want, and you can always place it back.
I create these images of the C:-partitions from every pc every month. In
rare occasions I need to bring them back - and I'm happy that I have these.

Fokke

I wrote:

"Bill (not Jillians) " wrote:

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though
the HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

That is a not uncommon error. I experienced it maybe one year ago,
forgot what the solution is. You can find discussion by searching
the Internet.

Correction. I think that was referring to the error in making the rescue
media on a USB flash drive. I'm not familiar with trying to put a backup
copy on a USB flash drive.

Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
On 6/17/2019 11:40 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 6/17/19 11:32 AM, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You don't need a "bootable backup", and I'm nit picking the words
The Macrium CD you can make once Macrium is installed, is your boot
recovery. It then uses the image on the USB to restore.

Are you making an image or cloning? You want to make an image. I'm
surprised that it bulks at the size unless you are cloning a 1TB HD.
Macrium on an image, compresses the data and only backs up the data
not the empty space.

Al.

Yes. The USB drive I'm trying to clone (not image) to is fully
formatted 971GB or one TB Western Digital easy store

Is this USB device a "counterfeit" ?

Note that there are people selling "2TB USB sticks", slim
looking ones, for $10, which is an obvious fake. The device,
when you check Properties, says "Oh, yes, look at me, I'm
2TB". However, if you drag and drop 2TB of files on it,
around 1GB or 2GB or so, the copy fails. And it fails
because there are no Flash Chips after 2GB. That's an
example of a "capacity forgery".

You can uncover weird behaviors, by doing the "full device
copy test" and see how it behaves.

You should not blame Macrium (a Macrium that *does* have
problems with recent Windows 10 C: drives, due to changes
Microsoft made), when the device fails the Explorer
copy test as well.

And if this device only writes at 5MB/sec, then the
chances of getting actual usage out of it are dismal
to none. The larger a device gets, the better you
need the read/write rate to be, in order to make it
a worthwhile purchase. I have a 16GB stick that writes
at 3MB/sec, and that's "a bridge far enough". I can't
imagine how I'd use such a thing, if it was 1TB in size.

If this was my USB drive, I would be quick formatting
the partition on the USB (which should span the entire
device), then, drag and drop 921GB of files onto it.
Does the device "whine" when you do that ? If so
"guilty as charged, your honor", and you know what's
wrong.

I'm not trying to be elitist here about hardware,
just explaining that just about every Flash thing on
Ebay is counterfeit, and I'm sure Amazon has its
share. Ebay used to have a web page, written by a
contributor, describing all the "counterfeit types".
Because the "2TB for $10" is merely the newest twist.
The part I can't believe, is how many people think
they got 2TB of storage for $10, and... that their
files are safe on such a contraption.

For backups, you want some assurance the device is
fully functional. Macrium has a "Verify" function,
which you can run on each .mrimg on the stick,
thereby building your confidence that the
backup will still work.

I had two .mrimg files where the Verify failed.
And it wasn't the storage device! The root cause
was bad RAM on the computer. And running a Verify,
right after the backup finished, is how you can
catch that particular failure. Memtest would not isolate
to the nearest stick, so I had to replace all four
sticks. Then, backups I ran, would pass the
Verify again. The Verify just uses MD5SUM somehow,
to do a check against the recorded hash for
the image (I don't think the hash is per-file,
because Macrium does not offer to "recover
98% of the files", it's all or nothing as
MRIMG file status goes).

*******

One other thing on the hardware front:

1) Actual 2.5" HDD in enclosures, need 1 amp
of 5V current, to spin up. Not all USB2 ports
can supply that current. Laptops (with silicon
current flow monitors), are particularly bad for
this. The average desktop, the Polyfuse has a slightly
higher capacity setting. Even the dual-head USB power
cable, might not be enough with a laptop (current
hogging).

2) External drives have aggressive spindown time constants.
The "bursts of data" that Macrium uses, are close enough
together, the drive should keep on spinning. Or, let's
hope the drive is not "running in start/stop mode" for
the entire 921GB run. Having to spin up, over and over
again, is hard on the fuse on the USB desktop port.

*******

In summary, there are aspects of backup, that don't involve
Macrium directly. Macrium is just a victim of the hardware
behaviors. If Macrium throws an Error 9, well, that's
Macriums fault, not the hardware.

Paul

On 6/17/19 1:13 PM, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
On 6/17/2019 11:40 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 6/17/19 11:32 AM, Bill (not Jillians)Â* wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You don't need a "bootable backup", and I'm nit picking the words
The Macrium CD you can make once Macrium is installed, is your boot
recovery.Â*Â* It then uses the image on the USB to restore.

Are you making an image or cloning?Â* You want to make an image.Â*Â* I'm
surprised that it bulks at the size unless you are cloning a 1TB HD.
Macrium on an image, compresses the data and only backs up the data
not the empty space.

Al.

Yes.Â* The USB drive I'm trying to clone (not image) to is fully
formatted 971GB or one TB Western Digital easy store
You don't want to clone. Make an Image. With a 1TB USB, you could put
more than one image on that one drive possibly (depends on the final
size of the image of course). I have a 4TB USB drive and I put 6
copies and delete the older ones now and then.

So you're saying I should make an image then?

Yes

Will it be bootable?
No
The macrium CD is bootable and then you just tell the program to put the
image that is on the USB drive back onto your C: drive.
TAKE NOTE: if you boot from the CD, your C Drive may not be labeled C:,
hopefully you put a label on it like "WIN_10_OS" or something.
Makes it easier to find when program change drive letters.


I really am lost here.

Just a bit off course.

On 18/06/2019 1:32 am, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I then be able to
recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium always tells me there
is not enough space, and quits even though the HD in this machine has far less than that
on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Just be clear on whether an 'image' or a 'clone' is what you prefer.

To put it simply:

With an image, Macrium packs up all the files (on the drive you want to back up) into a
single huge file on your backup medium.
If your main drive fails you need to boot the system from your Macrium recovery DVD or USB
(Macrium provides the facility to create these) and unpack all the individual files back
to your replacement drive.

With a clone, Macrium makes an exact copy of the drive you want to back up, onto another
drive (generally of at least the same capacity as the original).
If the main drive fails you just unplug it and replace it with the clone. Your good to go.
No need for the Macrium recovery medium.

Ballpoint.

Bob Borbiro wrote:
On 18/06/2019 1:32 am, Bill (not Jillians) wrote:
As I understand it, you cannot boot W10 from a USB drive.

Two things:

What I'd like to know is if I make a Macrium rescue disk (DVD) will I
then be able to recover my system from the USB drive, I'm trying to
clone it to?

And,

Even though the USB drive I'm trying to clone to is 921GB, Macrium
always tells me there is not enough space, and quits even though the
HD in this machine has far less than that on it.

Yes, I'm a noob who's just trying to make a bootable backup of this
machine just in case.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Just be clear on whether an 'image' or a 'clone' is what you prefer.

To put it simply:

With an image, Macrium packs up all the files (on the drive you want to
back up) into a
single huge file on your backup medium.
If your main drive fails you need to boot the system from your Macrium
recovery DVD or USB
(Macrium provides the facility to create these) and unpack all the
individual files back to your replacement drive.

With a clone, Macrium makes an exact copy of the drive you want to back
up, onto another drive (generally of at least the same capacity as the
original).
If the main drive fails you just unplug it and replace it with the
clone. Your good to go.
No need for the Macrium recovery medium.

Ballpoint.

You should *always* prepare the boot media.

Why ?

The Macrium CD has a boot repair command on it, which
works a treat.

You'll be sorry if you don't make one of those,
because it works better than the MS boot repair.

When boot repairing, you give Macrium a crack at
it first, if it still won't boot, you let the MS
one try as the second repair tool. It's a great
one-two punch, when some identifier on a disk
partition got broke and the BCD wasn't auto-edited
properly with the details.

For canonical manual repair, a Win10 installer DVD,
the Macrium CD, or a Win10 emergency boot CD, all
have a Command Prompt, and a set of BCD editing
commands. If you can find the web page again,
it takes a total of four commands to build a new
BCD manually (once you have all the identifiers
in hand).

The other ingredient to boot repair, is not having
too many duplicated identifiers on the machine.
If you clone with "dd" for example, that is too
exact of a copy, and weird things will happen
if both drives are present on the first boot.
Macrium doesn't allow that to happen, because
when Macrium clones a drive, it changes the
identifiers on the clone, so that no partition
on the clone matches partitions on the source
drive. The source drive BCD continues to select
partitions on its own disk, while the clone drive
BCD selects partitions on the clone. This is one
of the benefits of backup/clone products which
intelligently handle the BCD or boot.ini.

When doing boot repair, only the disk needing
repair should be plugged in. Otherwise, you'll
have a lot of trouble interpreting what the
setup display in Macrium is telling you, as
the first step.

Paul