I still have ver. 1809. Do I want 1903?

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?


It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)


**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period when I
say I don't want updates to always include the current hour. Maybe it
tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're ready to
update"????

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

On 19/06/2019 18:34, micky wrote:



If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

3.5 months based on the level of your intelligence.







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micky wrote:

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?


It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)


**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period when I
say I don't want updates to always include the current hour. Maybe it
tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're ready to
update"????

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?


If you're paranoid, create an image before proceeding. I did it and have
had no problems and it seem more secure and solid than before but that
could be my imagination.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky
wrote:


I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?

I should have added that the only problem I have now is that with many
Firefox screens, when I press Page Down, it goes down a page once or
twice, but the next time it goes up to the top again. If I hold the key
down, I can see it bouncing from one page down back to the top and back
again, over and over. This might have also happened once with some
other program. Could this be a windows problem? That the new version
will fix?



It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)


**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period when I
say I don't want updates to always include the current hour. Maybe it
tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're ready to
update"????

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky
wrote:

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?

I should have added that the only problem I have now is that with many
Firefox screens, when I press Page Down, it goes down a page once or
twice, but the next time it goes up to the top again. If I hold the key
down, I can see it bouncing from one page down back to the top and back
again, over and over. This might have also happened once with some
other program. Could this be a windows problem? That the new version
will fix?

Do you have any programs (or drivers) that interact
or interfere with keyboard input ?

Something could have got into Firefox itself, as a
plugin or extension, as another possibility.

If it's an OS bug, yours is the first I've heard of.

As far as "Accepting" the upgrade, do a backup first
then give it a try. They split Cortana into two pieces,
a "circle icon" and the usual rectangle for search, and
that's about the only change I see in casual usage.

Oh, and I think they fouled up Notepad a bit. There seemed
to be some line ending problems or maybe some log that used
UTF-8 declaration in the header that I wasn't expecting. I was
too busy doing stuff to take notes.

If you're expecting "convergent behavior", a "bug free release",
you are delusional. They fix with they feel like. They
bandaid stuff. They never admit they made architectural
mistakes (webcam FrameServe). If would be like, if your
neighbor wrote her own OS and gave you a copy, and you
never knew what was going to happen next. Think of it
as the Temple OS, but with better graphics.

And this is progress.

Some things work better. It takes less time for the
OS to load all its drivers. The first release of Windows 10
had not "fully populated" Device Manager after me waiting
for three months. Now, they can get to the same point
of progress in an hour or so. They still don't have my
TV Tuner driver, but I don't think that can be fixed
particularly. Hauppauge could fix that if they wanted,
by sending a driver to Microsoft. On Linux, the firmware
file isn't available, and I suspect similar hand-off issues.

The BlueTooth driver loads. And I'm told that BT networking
might be available. So that would transfer files at
300K per second, or some relatively low speed that
you would expect from raw BT. Since that's potentially
"progress", I have to mention it. We need someone to
test that now... Someone who is bored... And likes
surprises...

Paul

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky wrote:

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

A few hrs (3 to 4 or so) but you can still do work on the desktop
for most of that time.

On 6/19/19 1:34 PM, micky wrote:

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?


It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)


**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period when I
say I don't want updates to always include the current hour. Maybe it
tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're ready to
update"????

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

The "download and install now" is not your program. Everyone gets it
now. Not sure why since I find it hard to swallow that MS is being nice
to us. :-)

I wiped my wife's laptop a few months ago and did a clean install with
1903 and it runs fine. She does more than I do on it, has MS Office
2007 Enterprise on it, Quicken, Family Tree etc.

I thought I read somewhere that you would eventually be forced to
upgrade after some long period like 185 days or such. Maybe not, but I
like the other suggestions of making an image or backup of some nature
that you are comfortable with and then press the button. It takes a
good bit of the total time to download and prep and setup but after that
it has the 2/3 reboots to install. Until the reboots (which you get
notification of) you can still use your pc. Then it depends on CPU etc
as to how long. 30 minutes for my i7 4gHz on an SSD.

Al.

In article , mechanic
wrote:


If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

A few hrs (3 to 4 or so) but you can still do work on the desktop
for most of that time.

it was around an hour for me, probably less, but i didn't time it.

micky wrote:

I should have added that the only problem I have now is that with many
Firefox screens, when I press Page Down, it goes down a page once or
twice, but the next time it goes up to the top again. If I hold the
key down, I can see it bouncing from one page down back to the top
and back again, over and over. This might have also happened once
with some other program. Could this be a windows problem? That the
new version will fix?

You neglect to mention WHOSE document (web page) you loaded into
Firefox. Javascript can be used to reposition the document when
thresholds are reached, like when a particular line comes into view
within the document window of the web browser.

What you describe sounds like someone coded the web page using
Javascript to automatically bounce to an anchor define in the web page,
like one defined at the top of the page.

You also neglected to mention if you already tried the standard
troubleshooting steps: disable all extensions in Firefox, start Firefox
in its safe mode, try a new profile in Firefox, reboot Windows with
startup programs disabled.

I sincerely doubt any changes to the OS is going to repair whatever is
wrong with a particular app, like Firefox, or how you configured it, or
how the document was coded.

This really should've been its own separate discussion instead of
tucking it under your inquiry about the 1903 update.

micky wrote:

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809.

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now.

When a new version (yep, that's what they are despite Microsoft's claim
that "10" will be the last "version) arrives, it is impossible to roll
it out to all users at the same time. It gets rolled out over time to
load balance their servers and prevent a massive distributed request
from millions of users from DDOS'ing their servers.

Do you regularly (on a schedule since humans are notorious for not doing
backups often enough or at all) perform image backups, so you can
recover should an update trash your computer? What's your escape plan
for a failed or corruptive update?

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?

You know best what you like or don't. Read:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...0-version-1903
https://pureinfotech.com/tag/windows-10-1903-19h1/
(found in an online search on "windows 10 1903").

Decide for yourself if anything is something you might like; however,
since Microsoft wants to push the updates, you'll be getting those
changes, anyway, and eventually.

It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)

You NEVER used a version of Windows before 10? Those let you decide if
you updated and when you updated. That was the norm before Win10.
Before Win10, it was always your choice and up to you to decide since
you chose to be the sysadmin of your computer.

For large companies, they operate their own WSUS (Windows Server Update
Services) server to decide what and when to push updates to their
workstations. End user and small business got screwed by losing update
control. Unlike users that bitch about something they feel they cannot
change, so they don't coordinate their efforts to effect changes,
business often write letters of intent (legal documents written by
lawyers) and may even follow up by going to court to sue. We users
rarely get to here about the multitude of those small cases. Only the
spectacular ones doe we hear about, like when a Florida business man
sued Microsoft over a mistake in calculations in Excel that cost him
several bids on construction jobs. Only because he won did it become
news (for the few that heard about it). If you hunt around, you can
find some lawsuits that Microsoft lost regarding the forced updates in
Windows 10, like:

https://wccftech.com/microsoft-pay-u...ws-10-upgrade/
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/man-sue...stroyed-his-pc
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3088...oft-10000.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computin...upgrade-policy

After awhile, a little there and a little there piles up to some real
money causing Microsoft to reconsider their ploy. Since business are
(or should be) smart enough to save backups (online, offline, offsite)
to recovery from any changes to their workstations, including updates,
it's the end users ignorant of backups that get caught by unwanted
updates that cause nasty problems. End users whine, profess they will
sue Microsoft but never do, profess they will cease using Windows but
they don't, so nothing changes for them. In contrast, and unlike end
users, companies buy support from Microsoft, so they have greater
leverage; however, Microsoft already provided them the means to control
updates to their workstations.

You can easily find info on lawsuits about the forced upgrade to Windows
10. However, end users don't sue (except for class action lawsuits and
those take time to construct along with finding co-plaintiffs).
Business know how to regulate and plan the updates, so they don't often
get caught offguard or unprepared for the updates.

**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period
when I say I don't want updates to always include the current hour.
Maybe it tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're
ready to update"????

Sorry, no way to find "noreboot" as that is too vague to find the
program to which you refer. Add the author's name or the URL to their
site, so others can investigate what you mention as a solution.

Disabling the Windows Update service doesn't require 3rd party software,
and the disable doesn't expire after 12, 18, and any prefixed number of
hours or days. If you don't want to roam inside the Services app
(services.msc) then create a batch (.bat) file that runs the sc.exe
(Service Controller) program to change the state of the service, like:

sc.exe config BITS start= disabled

and another .bat file to run:

sc.exe config wuauserv start= delayed-auto

You'll be back in control if and when updates occur to Windows 10, just
like you were in control in prior versions of Windows.

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

Depends on your hardware, what startup programs you load that could
interfere with the update, your Internet bandwidth speed (and how the
download server gets impacted by how many other users are trying to
concurrently retrieve the same update), if you lock your butt into the
computer chair waiting for the prompts to complete the update, and what
recovery you need to perform if the update trashes your setup. The
download itself could be a few minutes to many hours. As for applying
the update, again that depends on your hardware. Could be two hours if
you have a slow HDD, or under an hour if you have a fast SSD, or under
half an hour if you have a bleeding edge high performer PC.

Sorry, Microsoft has yet to offer me the 1903 update (since the last
time I reenabled the WU service to check for updates), so I can't cite
how long it took for me, but that may not be how long it takes you.
Figure it could take 30 minutes, or you might lose an evening to the
update, or it could even end up taking overnight.

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky
wrote:


I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

Looking at the Windows Update screen, it says "Version 1903 is
available. When you're ready for the update, select Download and
install now". Should I do this, or should I leave it where it is?


It sounds like they are tired of arguing with people when MS wants to
update and people dont' want it**, so they've put the burden on the
users to decide when is good (and I don't remember them telling me it
was up to me.)


**After updates interrupted my work more than once, I started running
NoReboot, a program that sets the up-to-12 (now 18?) hour period when I
say I don't want updates to always include the current hour. Maybe it
tried several times and that's why it tells me "When you're ready to
update"????

If you tell me to update, how much time will it take?

Until a few days ago my situation was the same as yours. I downloaded
and installed 1903. It took me 4.5 hours (and my system disk is a
SSD).
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky
wrote:


I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

You'll GET 1903 when Windows WANTS you to get it.

It is a staged rollout.

On 6/19/2019 10:10 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:34:46 -0400, micky
wrote:


I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.

You'll GET 1903 when Windows WANTS you to get it.

It is a staged rollout.






Windows has WANTS! Shades of The Forbin Project.
Seems the singularity is closer than I thought.
Waiting for Windows to be renamed Colossus. ;-)
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On 6/20/2019 1:34 AM, micky wrote:

I just checked and I'm running win10 Pro 1809!! Build 17763.557
copyright 2018. (October 2018)

Apparently I "should" be up to 1903 by now. Though I had some limited
updates twice in the last two weeks.
...
You don't really need it, unless you wanna fulfill your curiosity.

I did upgrade to 1903, clean install using ISO. It's working fine for me.

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On 6/19/2019 4:25 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

I downloaded and installed 1903. It took me 4.5 hours

Just now did the 1903 upgrade on my LT. Took 1 hour 20 minutes. And I
was using the LT during the upgrade until the very end. Very easy.