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Old July 10th 19, 01:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.

His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more. He's 79
now.

And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.

But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.



I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


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Old July 10th 19, 01:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

On 7/9/2019 8:10 PM, micky wrote:
Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.

His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more. He's 79
now.

And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.

But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.



I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


Windows10 has adopted Linux' ability to differentiate files based on
case sensitivity in the name.

https://www.howtogeek.com/354220/how-to-enable-case-sensitive-folders-on-windows-10/

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Neil
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Old July 10th 19, 01:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 09 Jul 2019 20:10:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.

His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more. He's 79
now.

And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.

But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


The file was in C:\users\Steve and was called soemthing like
Steve Forbes resume

But my brother has all the money and I'm still using Agent v1.9.


I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


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Old July 10th 19, 02:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.


I had an issue once where I had the same thing. It turned
out that one had a space on the end. Took me forever to
figure it out
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Old July 10th 19, 03:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:47:38 -0700, T
wrote:

On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, micky wrote:
I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.


I had an issue once where I had the same thing. It turned
out that one had a space on the end. Took me forever to
figure it out


That might have been it. My brother actually watched a tv show for an
hour when I could have worked on this, but even though the list was in
front of me, only 8 or so files with his name in the name, I didn't
notice until he got back.

OTOH, the names were the same length and any space would have to have
been on the tail end, like in your case. But it ended in .docx. My
brother woudln't have known how to change that even if he wanted to.

Hmm. He probably didn't even want to keep an old version, and even
though of course he's saved changes by himself before, he almost needed
my help to save some changes (made later, that I omitted from the
story). Could he have clicked on Save As and added a space at the end?
He would have had to type "docx " and he doesn't know anything about
docx. BTW, he doesn't like computers, but ironically, he's a
radiologist and now uses 2 at the same time, one to display images and
one to write reports.


Neil, I didn't specifically look for upper vs. lower case, but I looked
closely and I think I would have noticed it were there.
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Old July 10th 19, 04:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

In article , NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com says...

Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.

His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more. He's 79
now.

And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.

But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.



I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


Check for a leading or training space character. Explorer seems to kinda
have that disappear on the display.
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Old July 10th 19, 04:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

micky wrote:

I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


You never mentioned if extensions were enabled in the view. Without
showing extensions, you could have an unlimited number of files with the
same filename. No mention of what your brother used to write his
resume, but almost every editing app has filetypes (denoting formatting)
that it supports.
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Old July 10th 19, 04:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

micky wrote:
Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.

His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more. He's 79
now.

And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.

But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.



I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


The next time this happens, try the following.

everything.exe -create-filelist output.txt "C:"

# Wait 20 seconds or so for the stat() calls to finish...

notepad output.txt

Each filename should be delimited with double-quote characters.
If anything has an extra space, you should be able to see it
in the CSV style listing.

The reason double-quotes are used, is because commas are actually
legal in filenames, and in a CSV format, that would be "deadly"
for parsing. But the usage by tools, of double-quotes around
filenames with commas in them, is also "a bitch". Try and
write a script to parse that properly some time.

But for visual examination in Notepad, that should work a treat.

Paul
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Old July 10th 19, 10:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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Default two files of the same name in the same directory

On 7/9/2019 11:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
micky wrote:

I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


You never mentioned if extensions were enabled in the view. Without
showing extensions, you could have an unlimited number of files with the
same filename. No mention of what your brother used to write his
resume, but almost every editing app has filetypes (denoting formatting)
that it supports.

I guess you missed my earlier reply. Win10 can now differentiate files
based on case in the name. For example, "MyDocument.docx" and
"mydocument.docx" can now be two different files in the same folder.
Same for folder names, btw.

There are settings to enable/disable this "feature", but I think it's
already too late to prevent Linux-style filename chaos.

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Neil
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Old July 10th 19, 11:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Neil wrote:
On 7/9/2019 11:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
micky wrote:

I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


You never mentioned if extensions were enabled in the view. Without
showing extensions, you could have an unlimited number of files with the
same filename. No mention of what your brother used to write his
resume, but almost every editing app has filetypes (denoting formatting)
that it supports.

I guess you missed my earlier reply. Win10 can now differentiate files
based on case in the name. For example, "MyDocument.docx" and
"mydocument.docx" can now be two different files in the same folder.
Same for folder names, btw.

There are settings to enable/disable this "feature", but I think it's
already too late to prevent Linux-style filename chaos.


Yikes. I would never have guessed.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ivity-and-wsl/

Imagine the fun if you multiboot, and begin
to examine such a directory from Windows 7.

The guy who invented that feature, is probably
already bald, from the hair loss this causes.

Paul
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Old July 10th 19, 06:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Neil wrote:

On 7/9/2019 11:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
micky wrote:

I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


You never mentioned if extensions were enabled in the view. Without
showing extensions, you could have an unlimited number of files with the
same filename. No mention of what your brother used to write his
resume, but almost every editing app has filetypes (denoting formatting)
that it supports.

I guess you missed my earlier reply. Win10 can now differentiate files
based on case in the name. For example, "MyDocument.docx" and
"mydocument.docx" can now be two different files in the same folder.
Same for folder names, btw.

There are settings to enable/disable this "feature", but I think it's
already too late to prevent Linux-style filename chaos.


Does not obviate my later reply about having different EXTENSIONS.
micky never stated the extensions were the same wherein your reply would
apply, or if the extensions were different wherein my reply applies.

Even using your examples:

MyDocument.docx
MyDocument.txt
MyDocument.xlsx
MyDocument.pdf
mydocument.docx
mydocument.txt
mydocument.xlsx
mydocument.pdf

Those are 8 different files using 4 different extensions using both your
camel-case and lowercase examples.
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Old July 10th 19, 07:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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VanguardLH wrote:

Even using your examples:

MyDocument.docx
MyDocument.txt
MyDocument.xlsx
MyDocument.pdf
mydocument.docx
mydocument.txt
mydocument.xlsx
mydocument.pdf


And Joe Average probably has "hide extensions for known file types"
enabled anyway.
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Old July 10th 19, 07:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/10/2019 1:50 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Neil wrote:

On 7/9/2019 11:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
micky wrote:

I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory. But with different dates. Both of
them his resume.

Now how can that be? I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one. Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.

You never mentioned if extensions were enabled in the view. Without
showing extensions, you could have an unlimited number of files with the
same filename. No mention of what your brother used to write his
resume, but almost every editing app has filetypes (denoting formatting)
that it supports.

I guess you missed my earlier reply. Win10 can now differentiate files
based on case in the name. For example, "MyDocument.docx" and
"mydocument.docx" can now be two different files in the same folder.
Same for folder names, btw.

There are settings to enable/disable this "feature", but I think it's
already too late to prevent Linux-style filename chaos.


Does not obviate my later reply about having different EXTENSIONS.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to negate your statement in any way. It
used to be the only logical explanation for Micky's situation. However,
the new "feature" adds a level of file management complexity that
shouldn't be disregarded.

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Old July 10th 19, 10:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Neil wrote:
....
There are settings to enable/disable this "feature", but I think it's
already too late to prevent regular, desirable Unix-style filename handling.


Fixed it for ya!

It's got nothin' to do with Linux.

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white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

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Old July 10th 19, 10:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/9/2019 11:39 PM, Paul wrote:
micky wrote:
Watching my older brother work, connected by TeamViewer, I could see
that he's made a lot of progress.
His typing is pretty fast, considering he never was taught touch typing
and didn't have to type anything until he was 65 or 70 or more.* He's 79
now.
And he uses the End key, and Gmail, etc.
But yesterday he was applying for spot as an espert witness, for a
trial, and they had a version of his resume with an incorrect phone
number.


I dl'd Everything and found his resume, and it showed two files of the
same name in the same directory.** But with different dates.* Both of
them his resume.
Now how can that be?*** I looked for tiny dots that might change the
name, but I couldn't find one.** Running win10 on a laptop fwiw.


I know he didn't want to wait 30 minutes or more while i investigated,
so I renamed the older one -old, which went smoothly, so it wasn't a
phontom file, because otherwise I wouldn't know which one I was going to
send to the expert witness "broker", and used the webform to
include/submit the newer one, whose date in February was the right date,
he said.


The next time this happens, try the following.

** everything.exe -create-filelist output.txt "C:"

** # Wait 20 seconds or so for the stat() calls to finish...

** notepad output.txt

Each filename should be delimited with double-quote characters.
If anything has an extra space, you should be able to see it
in the CSV style listing.

The reason double-quotes are used, is because commas are actually
legal in filenames, and in a CSV format, that would be "deadly"
for parsing. But the usage by tools, of double-quotes around
filenames with commas in them, is also "a bitch". Try and
write a script to parse that properly some time.

But for visual examination in Notepad, that should work a treat.

** Paul


Wouldn't "Copy as Path" and paste results into Notepad or CMD window be
easier?

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