Is 1903 now OK?

I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I have been using June 7th and experienced no problems. I was really
impressed with the new icon that indicates the WIFI radio is off on your
computer.

I assume there has been some security updates to the underlying system,
but they do not affect the usability of the OS. I would recommend you
go ahead and upgrade


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On 7/31/19 8:46 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date
but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I
recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic.
What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I have been using June 7th and experienced no problems.Â* I was really
impressed with the new icon that indicates the WIFI radio is off on your
computer.

I assume there has been some security updates to the underlying system,
but they do not affect the usability of the OS.Â* I would recommend you
go ahead and upgrade


The issue with these newsgroups is that most people are here to complain
about issues and find help to resolve. So yes, you see a lot of
complaints but the number of people with issues is minuscule compared to
the total # of people using 10 without issues. Or so I believe.

I'm upgraded to it, and I wiped and virgin loaded my wife's pc with it
and she's doing fine.

Al

Big Al wrote:
On 7/31/19 8:46 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am
up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I
recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic.
What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I have been using June 7th and experienced no problems. I was really
impressed with the new icon that indicates the WIFI radio is off on
your computer.

I assume there has been some security updates to the underlying
system, but they do not affect the usability of the OS. I would
recommend you go ahead and upgrade


The issue with these newsgroups is that most people are here to complain
about issues and find help to resolve. So yes, you see a lot of
complaints but the number of people with issues is minuscule compared to
the total # of people using 10 without issues. Or so I believe.

I'm upgraded to it, and I wiped and virgin loaded my wife's pc with it
and she's doing fine.

Al

If you run the 1903 install, and it backs out, you can try this.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...rade/setupdiag

"About SetupDiag

Current version of SetupDiag: 1.5.0.0

https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=870142 507,056 bytes

SetupDiag is a standalone diagnostic tool that can be used
to obtain details about why a Windows 10 upgrade was unsuccessful.

In checking my records today, that was discussed in the year 2015.
So that utility isn't actually new.

And don't expect miracles from that. It's not "backed by AI"
or something. It's just a script parser looking for particular
tags on the line. Expect the error code to be just as baffling
when it finished the analysis.

*******

Doing an Upgrade Install stands more room for failure and backout,
due to Migration and Home Directory handling. A Clean Install by
comparison, is easier for the software to do.

If you have a USB flash stick plugged in, or an SD card,
the installer will "block", yet won't come right out and
say "what blocked". It's that stupid. Having a USB flash stick
present, with V1 media, it should block because of some
drive letter issue they're protecting against. I switched
to optical media in my case, and the install finished,
with no mention any more of any "blocker".

Paul

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:55:17 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 7/31/19 8:46 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date
but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I
recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic.
What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I have been using June 7th and experienced no problems.* I was really
impressed with the new icon that indicates the WIFI radio is off on your
computer.

I assume there has been some security updates to the underlying system,
but they do not affect the usability of the OS.* I would recommend you
go ahead and upgrade


The issue with these newsgroups is that most people are here to complain
about issues and find help to resolve. So yes, you see a lot of
complaints but the number of people with issues is minuscule compared to
the total # of people using 10 without issues. Or so I believe.



Yes! Hang around a transmission shop and you'll think all cars have
transmission problems.

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:55:17 -0400, Big Al wrote:

The issue with these newsgroups is that most people are here to complain
about issues and find help to resolve.

I think that was true 20 years ago, but I'm not sure it's still the case
since then. There aren't many new people dropping in who are looking for
support. For the most part, the folks who inhabit the Windows groups are
the same names that have been around for years. They/we/I are here for
the community, the sharing, and yes the support for issues.

I think what you described above is still true for the various web
forums, though. Over there, people seem to drop in to ask a question,
then you never hear from them again. Supposedly, they got their answer
and moved on, or they didn't get a good answer and they still moved on.
Here, most people seem to stick around.

All of that could just be my perceptions.

So yes, you see a lot of
complaints but the number of people with issues is minuscule compared to
the total # of people using 10 without issues. Or so I believe.

I'm upgraded to it, and I wiped and virgin loaded my wife's pc with it
and she's doing fine.

I upgraded all of my Win10 VMs to 1903 and to me it's no better or worse
than what came before it in the Win10 family. I'm definitely not a fan
of Win10, but it does 'work', for loose definitions of work. My position
would be, if you're already running Win10, go for the upgrade to 1903.
If you're running an earlier version of Windows, pre-10, you're probably
in better shape altogether.

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:39:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:55:17 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 7/31/19 8:46 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date
but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I
recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic.
What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I have been using June 7th and experienced no problems.* I was really
impressed with the new icon that indicates the WIFI radio is off on your
computer.

I assume there has been some security updates to the underlying system,
but they do not affect the usability of the OS.* I would recommend you
go ahead and upgrade


The issue with these newsgroups is that most people are here to complain
about issues and find help to resolve. So yes, you see a lot of
complaints but the number of people with issues is minuscule compared to
the total # of people using 10 without issues. Or so I believe.



Yes! Hang around a transmission shop and you'll think all cars have
transmission problems.

I used to agree with that analogy, but not so much anymore. Most of the
cars at a transmission shop probably actually do have transmission
issues. That's why they're there. However, you don't normally see large
crowds hanging around a transmission shop 'just in case' they start to
see a transmission issue. As a result, I think the analogy of the
transmission shop and the Usenet newsgroup are drifting apart.

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 12:22:42 +0100, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Terry
Pinnell wrote:

I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I upgraded a few months ago, and 1903 is definitely superior to 1809. The
updater is now, partially, sane. It doesn't sneak interim cumulative
updates onto your computer when you click "check for updates" for
instance. It simply tells you that the update is available.

If you use Defender, it has finally added a "tamper protection" feature
to keep rogue programs from messing with its process tree.

It also isolates the Start menu into its own process, and fixes a number
of issues I was having with it (moving tile groups, lack of tile icons).
You no longer have to shut down and restart the entire
ShellExperienceHost.exe to fix Start issues.

It is surely not necessary, none of these "feature updates" have been,
but I think it's a worthwhile upgrade. At least, this is the first OS
update that has added features that actually mean something to me.

Maybe they'll fall back to releasing one a year finally.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 31/07/2019 12:22, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?


The consensus is that that there are no issues that an ordinary users
such as yourself would notice. Also, reading something on the web
requires some understanding of how the advertising works in the digital
revolution. Some sites will deliberately write blown out headings on
the article to draw users attention hoping that some will click on ads
that appear on the page on the side.

Therefore, in summary, the user needs to use some common sense but I
agree that it may not be common with everybody here on this newsgroup.
Windows 10 is a professional operating system that requires some
intelligence to do something useful that can earn revenues for people
using it.

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:19:04 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Char
Jackson wrote:

If you're running an earlier version of Windows, pre-10, you're probably
in better shape altogether.

Not if you're running 8.1. I recently acquired a machine that was running
8, and it was like going back to the paleolithic era.

Win 7, however, might be considered an upgrade. I wish they had forked
off of that version. Just about everything about 8 should have been
chucked in the bin, excepting the greatly improved Task Manager.

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spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

Terry Pinnell wrote:

I recall reading about several serious issues with [1903] so I'm not
over-enthusiastic. What's the consensus please?

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...indows-10-1903

On 7/31/2019 7:22 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?


Did a clean install using a downloaded ISO. No problem so far. Intel PC.


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On 7/31/19 12:45 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:19:04 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Char
Jackson wrote:

If you're running an earlier version of Windows, pre-10, you're probably
in better shape altogether.

Not if you're running 8.1. I recently acquired a machine that was running
8, and it was like going back to the paleolithic era.

Win 7, however, might be considered an upgrade. I wish they had forked
off of that version. Just about everything about 8 should have been
chucked in the bin, excepting the greatly improved Task Manager.

I used to run 8.1 with a 3rd party menu to get those tiles off the
screen. I thought it was great, as did a good friend of mine who is
still on it.

However I loaded it in a VM a year ago and even applying the 3rd party
menu, I just didn't like it. I guess I now was so used to windows 10.
And I don't use a 3rd party menu to change the tile menu now in 10. My
feeling is that if you just clear the crud off the menu and put your own
stuff there, it's better than a win 7 menu. One click to open the menu
and one click to launch the program. Not more clicks that a desktop
icon and less than a menu you have to go a layer or two down to find the
program.

Al

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:45:04 -0500, Zaghadka
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:19:04 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Char
Jackson wrote:

If you're running an earlier version of Windows, pre-10, you're probably
in better shape altogether.

Not if you're running 8.1. I recently acquired a machine that was running
8, and it was like going back to the paleolithic era.

Win 7, however, might be considered an upgrade. I wish they had forked
off of that version. Just about everything about 8 should have been
chucked in the bin, excepting the greatly improved Task Manager.

It initially took me almost exactly two years, which is completely
ridiculous, but I've managed to scrub nearly all evidence of the 8.1
phone GUI away, leaving just the desktop GUI. Now my 8.1 systems and my
7 systems are virtually identical. 8.1 is highly functional as a result,
but 7 is still superior since it didn't require the 2 year ordeal. Win
10 is not a contender yet, but at the pace of its upgrades, who knows
what the future might bring. If it stays on its current path, the future
for me might include more Linux and less Windows, but that's years down
the road since 7 and 8.1 are still current. XP still works fine, as
well.

On 7/31/2019 7:22 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro 1803 build 17134.885.

Settings Update & Security Windows Update tells me I am up-to-date but also, in
contradiction, says 1903 is ready for me to install when I'm ready. I recall reading
about several serious issues with it so I'm not over-enthusiastic. What's the
consensus please?

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Although I've been running 1903 on some notebooks, it still won't
install on another computer. It doesn't seem any less functional than
1803, but the interface and some integrated apps (i.e. File Explorer,
etc.) have some new "features" that I don't care for. But, with Win10,
change is the new normal.

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best regards,

Neil