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Old March 10th 14, 02:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

Your computer died and you bought a new computer with Windows 8.1. You
turned it on and are confronted with a screen full of advertising icons.

It would be my recommendation for a new user to do a couple of things.

When the computer comes up and you are presented with the Start screen,
find each of the programs you use routinely use, right click on it's
icon. When the menu pops up at the bottom of the screen click "Pin to
Taskbar". You may have to right click the arrow in the lower right, to
get the apps. You first pin you apps to the Start screen as you pin
items to the Taskbar above. You must then pin them to the Taskbar from
the start screen.

When you get all of the programs you want on the Taskbar, click the
desktop icon, and immediately Right Click the Taskbar at the bottom of
the Desktop screen, select Properties, and in the Navigation tab, Check
"When I sign on or close all apps on a screen go to the Desktop instead
of Start" Your computer will then be useable and function with all of
the windows you were use to in earlier versions of Windows.

After you installed your own programs, go to the Start Screen find the
program and pin it to the Taskbar. If you can not find it in on the
Start Screen, click the down arrow in the lower right of the Start
Screen and find it on the Apps screen, You first pin it to start and
then to the Taskbar.
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Old March 10th 14, 04:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek Trishan[_2_]
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 3/10/2014 9:28 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Your computer died and you bought a new computer with Windows 8.1. You
turned it on and are confronted with a screen full of advertising icons.

It would be my recommendation for a new user to do a couple of things.

When the computer comes up and you are presented with the Start screen,
find each of the programs you use routinely use, right click on it's
icon. When the menu pops up at the bottom of the screen click "Pin to
Taskbar". You may have to right click the arrow in the lower right, to
get the apps. You first pin you apps to the Start screen as you pin
items to the Taskbar above. You must then pin them to the Taskbar from
the start screen.

When you get all of the programs you want on the Taskbar, click the
desktop icon, and immediately Right Click the Taskbar at the bottom of
the Desktop screen, select Properties, and in the Navigation tab, Check
"When I sign on or close all apps on a screen go to the Desktop instead
of Start" Your computer will then be useable and function with all of
the windows you were use to in earlier versions of Windows.

After you installed your own programs, go to the Start Screen find the
program and pin it to the Taskbar. If you can not find it in on the
Start Screen, click the down arrow in the lower right of the Start
Screen and find it on the Apps screen, You first pin it to start and
then to the Taskbar.


Some of the newer versions of the programs that add a start button and a
start menu also let you boot directly to the desktop.

You can then pin to the taskbar programs that you can find in "All
Programs".
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Old March 10th 14, 05:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:28:46 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Your computer died and you bought a new computer with Windows 8.1. You
turned it on and are confronted with a screen full of advertising icons.

It would be my recommendation for a new user to do a couple of things.

When the computer comes up and you are presented with the Start screen,
find each of the programs you use routinely use, right click on it's
icon. When the menu pops up at the bottom of the screen click "Pin to
Taskbar". You may have to right click the arrow in the lower right, to
get the apps. You first pin you apps to the Start screen as you pin
items to the Taskbar above. You must then pin them to the Taskbar from
the start screen.

When you get all of the programs you want on the Taskbar, click the
desktop icon, and immediately Right Click the Taskbar at the bottom of
the Desktop screen, select Properties, and in the Navigation tab, Check
"When I sign on or close all apps on a screen go to the Desktop instead
of Start" Your computer will then be useable and function with all of
the windows you were use to in earlier versions of Windows.

After you installed your own programs, go to the Start Screen find the
program and pin it to the Taskbar. If you can not find it in on the
Start Screen, click the down arrow in the lower right of the Start
Screen and find it on the Apps screen, You first pin it to start and
then to the Taskbar.


And when you've run out of space on the taskbar-

Install Classic Shell and configure it to behave like Windows 7. Then
you can customise (and rename if you like) the Documents item in the
black part of the Start menu to point to a folder full of shortcuts
and sub-folders that you can create yourself and place wherever you
like. Then your computer is working the way you want it to, not the
other way around.

Rod.
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Old March 10th 14, 05:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 3/10/2014 12:23 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
tall Classic Shell and configure it to behave like Windows 7. Then
you can customise (and rename if you like) the Documents item in the
black part of the Start menu to point to a folder full of shortcuts
and sub-folders that you can create yourself and place wherever you
like. Then your computer is working the way you want it to, not the
other way around.


I have not tried to see how many programs you could put on the Windows
8.1 taskbar, BUT I currently have about a dozen and are they are taking
about half of the space on the taskbar, so MY GUESS is you could easily
put about 2 dozen programs. If you have more then you would probably
have to do as you suggested. I don't know if the Windows 8.1 taskbar
can go to a double row of icons like in older versions.

With the shadow for each open incidence of a program instead of a
completely new icon like in older versions of Windows each application
takes up less space.

I also have never changed the size of the icons to see if I could
increase the number of programs pinned to the taskbar.
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Old March 10th 14, 06:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 03/10/2014 11:23 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On

After you installed your own programs, go to the Start Screen find the
program and pin it to the Taskbar. If you can not find it in on the
Start Screen, click the down arrow in the lower right of the Start
Screen and find it on the Apps screen, You first pin it to start and
then to the Taskbar.


And when you've run out of space on the taskbar-

Install Classic Shell and configure it to behave like Windows 7. Then
you can customise (and rename if you like) the Documents item in the
black part of the Start menu to point to a folder full of shortcuts
and sub-folders that you can create yourself and place wherever you
like. Then your computer is working the way you want it to, not the
other way around.

Rod.




yep

I install Classic Shell on all Win8 machines I work on
and it sure gives the users a lot of relief.

Easy to have the Win7 GUI
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Old March 10th 14, 06:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 3/10/14 10:48 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/10/2014 12:23 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
tall Classic Shell and configure it to behave like Windows 7. Then
you can customise (and rename if you like) the Documents item in the
black part of the Start menu to point to a folder full of shortcuts
and sub-folders that you can create yourself and place wherever you
like. Then your computer is working the way you want it to, not the
other way around.


I have not tried to see how many programs you could put on the Windows
8.1 taskbar, BUT I currently have about a dozen and are they are taking
about half of the space on the taskbar, so MY GUESS is you could easily
put about 2 dozen programs. If you have more then you would probably
have to do as you suggested. I don't know if the Windows 8.1 taskbar
can go to a double row of icons like in older versions.


Do you have a choice of large or small icons? This would affect how
many programs can be on the taskbar.

With the shadow for each open incidence of a program instead of a
completely new icon like in older versions of Windows each application
takes up less space.

I also have never changed the size of the icons to see if I could
increase the number of programs pinned to the taskbar.



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Old March 10th 14, 06:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Phantom Post
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

philo* wrote in :

On 03/10/2014 11:23 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On

After you installed your own programs, go to the Start Screen find
the program and pin it to the Taskbar. If you can not find it in
on the Start Screen, click the down arrow in the lower right of the
Start Screen and find it on the Apps screen, You first pin it to
start and then to the Taskbar.


After you've installed all your programs go to the Start screen and
unpin all the crap you don't want. Then go to Apps screen and pin all
your programs to the Start screen. All of a sudden the Start screen is
totally usable. And way easier to deal with than a little menu.


And when you've run out of space on the taskbar-


No need to do that. Use the Start screen. One click, you're there.


Install Classic Shell and configure it to behave like Windows 7. Then
you can customise (and rename if you like) the Documents item in the
black part of the Start menu to point to a folder full of shortcuts
and sub-folders that you can create yourself and place wherever you
like. Then your computer is working the way you want it to, not the
other way around.

Rod.


Sigh . . .




yep

I install Classic Shell on all Win8 machines I work on
and it sure gives the users a lot of relief.

Easy to have the Win7 GUI


Sigh . . .

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Old March 10th 14, 08:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 3/10/2014 1:04 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Do you have a choice of large or small icons? This would affect how
many programs can be on the taskbar.


I had the small icons set. Right Click Desktop taskbar select
Properties, "Use Small Taskbar Buttons".

Using the large icon, it does cut the number down a slightly.
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Old March 11th 14, 07:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

Ken Springer wrote:

Do you have a choice of large or small icons? This would affect how
many programs can be on the taskbar.


No.. The icon window for each icon automatically reduces in size until
the maximum real estate of the Task Bar is filled with icons. Thereafter
when adding more items to the TaskBar a 'special' icon appears with an
up/down arrow that provides a page up/down, scroll feature. That icon
can also be rt. clicked to reveal its options (Scroll Here, Top, Bottom,
Page Up, Page Down, Scroll Up, Scroll Down).

Some folks prefer to re-enable the Quick Launch Toolbar for most used
application programs and use that in conjunction with specific icons (on
the TaskBar) and their related jump-list/recent features.
- With proper planning one can easily use both of the above without
the need for the archaic Windows traditional 'Start Menu. The old Start
Menu is certainly functional but very few people have ever used or
needed everything that was ever placed on it (i.e. they like it because
it was always there but rarely ever clicked on everything present)

Win8's Start Screen is more flexible than the old style Start Menu since
one can create groups, rearrange tiles, resize tiles, turn tiles on/off
(e.g. one can have a News or Weather tile that updates with current
content). Many folks interpret the live tiles as advertising - it is not.



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Old March 11th 14, 08:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On 3/11/2014 1:50 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Do you have a choice of large or small icons? This would affect how
many programs can be on the taskbar.


No.. The icon window for each icon automatically reduces in size until
the maximum real estate of the Task Bar is filled with icons...


Odd yours doesn't work. But my Windows 8 Pro machines in the Taskbar
Properties has a check box for "Use small taskbar buttons".

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Old March 11th 14, 12:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:50:48 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

Win8's Start Screen is more flexible than the old style Start Menu since
one can create groups, rearrange tiles, resize tiles, turn tiles on/off
(e.g. one can have a News or Weather tile that updates with current
content). Many folks interpret the live tiles as advertising - it is not.


Nevertheless it has proved hugely unpopular. In another newsgroup I've
just had my attention drawn to this-

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28

It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in my opinion of the new tiled
screen. Lots of other computer users apparently think the same way.
Windows 8 and computers that have it preinstalled are not selling in
the quantities hoped for. This must mean something.

Rod.
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Old March 11th 14, 07:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:52:34 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in my opinion of the new tiled
screen. Lots of other computer users apparently think the same way.
Windows 8 and computers that have it preinstalled are not selling in
the quantities hoped for. This must mean something.

Rod.


It means that Win8 does not offer the kind of obvious advantages or cool
factor that a casual shopper will see when playing with a demo unit at
Staples, etc.


Some of us are not casual users. Some of us downloaded the evaluation
version of Windows 8 several months before official release and
installed it on spare machines, just to see what it was like. Some of
us thought "Oh well, maybe the final version will be better than
this". Then we downloaded the evaluation version of 8.1 in the hope
that the widely publicised concerns of millions had been addressed and
that the necessary improvements had been made. They hadn't. Then some
of us bought laptops installed with the final version and found to our
dismay that yes, it really was like that, they really meant it and it
didn't look as though they were going to change anything after all.

The majority of improvements are under the hood: faster start/shutdown,
better security, some tweaks on folders, more automagic stuff such as
connecting to wi-fi (set and forget), etc.


If only they'd simply made those improvements and left alone the
things that were already as good as they needed to be.

The desktop PC on which I'm typing this has Windows 7 installed on a
solid state drive. It boots up in about 17 seconds, and no application
takes longer than 2 seconds to load. That's a huge improvement on the
previous one and good enough for my present needs. If anybody thinks
it can be improved further I'll be interested to look into it, but if
the cost of a few seconds off the startup time is that I have to
re-learn how to use a computer just to continue to do what I've been
doing for a years, then I'd rather keep what I've already got.

Rod.
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Old March 12th 14, 04:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Recomendation to new users of Window 8.1

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:50:48 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

Win8's Start Screen is more flexible than the old style Start Menu since
one can create groups, rearrange tiles, resize tiles, turn tiles on/off
(e.g. one can have a News or Weather tile that updates with current
content). Many folks interpret the live tiles as advertising - it is not.


I don't call the tiles 'advertising'. I prefer to call them 'annoying'. ;-)

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Old March 12th 14, 10:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:50:48 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

Win8's Start Screen is more flexible than the old style Start Menu since
one can create groups, rearrange tiles, resize tiles, turn tiles on/off
(e.g. one can have a News or Weather tile that updates with current
content). Many folks interpret the live tiles as advertising - it is not.


I don't call the tiles 'advertising'. I prefer to call them 'annoying'. ;-)


You could be annoyed for the foreseeable future [or longer]. ;-)

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Old March 12th 14, 10:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote:
On 3/11/2014 1:50 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Do you have a choice of large or small icons? This would affect how
many programs can be on the taskbar.


No.. The icon window for each icon automatically reduces in size until
the maximum real estate of the Task Bar is filled with icons...


Odd yours doesn't work. But my Windows 8 Pro machines in the Taskbar
Properties has a check box for "Use small taskbar buttons".


They work...the button determines the size of the icon....i.e. a choice
for the buttons not the icons.

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