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Old October 28th 19, 10:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Birdie
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

Lenovo T500 Win XP Pro.

Installed Samsung SSD and used for a year. Had fast boot and no problems.

Then Samsung SSD would not boot.
Started boot but not finish. Tried Safe Mode etc. No Go.
See multiple things loading then quits.

Put in original HDD and used it for a week. No problems.

Bought a new SSD Samsung 860 Pro 256G.

Used Samsung app to clone new SSD.

This SSD fails immediately at boot.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.

Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?
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Old October 28th 19, 11:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

On 10/28/2019 4:04 PM, Birdie wrote:
Lenovo T500 Win XP Pro.

Installed Samsung SSD and used for a year.* Had fast boot and no problems.

Then Samsung SSD would not boot.
Started boot but not finish.* Tried Safe Mode etc.* No Go.
See multiple things loading then quits.

Put in original HDD and used it for a week.* No problems.

Bought a new SSD Samsung 860 Pro 256G.

Used Samsung app to clone new SSD.

This SSD fails immediately at boot.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.

Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?

If you mean you cloned your broken SSD over to the new one then I would
expect the new one to also fail to boot as the Windows OS you cloned
might itself be defective. Microsoft has sent out a couple of defective
updates lately which can cause computers to no longer boot properly.

With the quality of Microsoft updates going into the toilet I would
strongly suggest people invest in making system backups or clones of the
working system to protect you from problems like this.

You might want to do a search to see how to do a reload of windows while
still keeping your existing data files intact. One way is to use a
bootable install DVD or USB and use that to get things started. Read
about it first as if you get it even slightly wrong the entire SSD could
get reformatted.
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Old October 28th 19, 11:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

In message , GlowingBlueMist
writes:
On 10/28/2019 4:04 PM, Birdie wrote:
Lenovo T500 Win XP Pro.
Installed Samsung SSD and used for a year.* Had fast boot and no
problems.

[]
Put in original HDD and used it for a week.* No problems.
Bought a new SSD Samsung 860 Pro 256G.
Used Samsung app to clone new SSD.


From failed one, or from working HD?

This SSD fails immediately at boot.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.
Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.
Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.
Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?


Firstly, image the working system ASAP (-:. [To an external drive.]

If you mean you cloned your broken SSD over to the new one then I would
expect the new one to also fail to boot as the Windows OS you cloned
might itself be defective. Microsoft has sent out a couple of
defective updates lately which can cause computers to no longer boot
properly.


Birdie said XP, so unlikely. Though always possible (I don't know what
XP updates happen if you connect a really old XP system to the update
server and ask what's available).

With the quality of Microsoft updates going into the toilet I would
strongly suggest people invest in making system backups or clones of
the working system to protect you from problems like this.

You might want to do a search to see how to do a reload of windows
while still keeping your existing data files intact. One way is to use
a bootable install DVD or USB and use that to get things started. Read
about it first as if you get it even slightly wrong the entire SSD
could get reformatted.


Even more reason (for a laptop, or small-factor desktop - anything that
can only have one drive) to have a D: (data) partition. (Yes, whole
drive formatting can still happen, but less likely.) You should of
course still back them up from time to time.

30-50G ought to be more than enough for XP-plus-all-installed-software.
(50G ought to be enough for 7 too, though 100 if you have a big drive
won't hurt. FWIW, my C - I'm on W7HP32 - is 38.9 GB used, after a few
years using 7 and installing software.)
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Old October 29th 19, 12:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

In message ,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?= writes:

On 28/10/2019 21:04, Birdie wrote:


Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?


Just return the damn thing and hire a Windows Technician who can sort
your problems out.* You are not competent enough to use a computer let
alone repair it.


This from a Microsoft shill (see below) and troll, who can't even read
what is posted.

Why are you still cross-posting to Windowsxp newsgroup?* Is it because
you have very low intelligence?

Because, as he said in the first line of his post (of which you've
snipped all but one line), he's on XP. (So clearly of higher
intelligence than you, MS-boy.)

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You've given away that you're "Good Guy" (a misnomer if there ever was
one) by that line. As we all told you before we just gave up and
killfiled you (which you've now had to resort to nymshifting to get
round), the only reason there are a lot of Windows 10 machines out there
is that most of Joe Public can't get any other version - and that was
before you started being silly with numbers (hint: compare the
population of the planet). Oh, and I spotted you'd messed with the
newsgroup list, as well.

APOLOGY to other readers for this post; I really shouldn't rise to the
troll. Hopefully, my new kill rule will work - I'd share it (as with the
one I have for a different but no less tiring idiot), if it wasn't that
he'd read it.
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Old October 29th 19, 01:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Birdie
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

Used Samsung app to clone new SSD from the good HDD.

Yes, I used Macrium Reflect to back up all of the good HDD.

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Old October 29th 19, 01:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

In message , Birdie
writes:
Used Samsung app to clone new SSD from the good HDD.

Yes, I used Macrium Reflect to back up all of the good HDD.


(What to? Presumably, an external HD.)

Instead of the Samsung app, try using Macrium (booted from the Macrium
CD, obviously) to "restore" the image of the good HD to the SSD (either
of them). (Selecting the appropriate switches in Macrium to optimise for
SSD, since I don't think XP can do that for itself.)
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Old October 29th 19, 01:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

Birdie wrote:
Lenovo T500 Win XP Pro.

Installed Samsung SSD and used for a year. Had fast boot and no problems.

Then Samsung SSD would not boot.
Started boot but not finish. Tried Safe Mode etc. No Go.
See multiple things loading then quits.

Put in original HDD and used it for a week. No problems.

Bought a new SSD Samsung 860 Pro 256G.

Used Samsung app to clone new SSD.

This SSD fails immediately at boot.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.

Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?


So, "Fern", in your other thread, you didn't tell us
the drive was an SSD.

You don't defragment SSDs, for the most part. The only exception,
is something to do with slow "Copy On Write" or COW, which happens
when VSS shadows are used. WinXP shadows don't persist across reboots
(unlike other OSes), so such a usage pattern is less likely to happen.

You can "just use" an SSD, as it appears you've been doing.

However, you can make life for the SSD a bit better, with
some preparation.

1) Place one partition on the SSD.
2) Align the partition to 1MB boundaries. That's so "clusters" in
NTFS, align with "pages" in the SSD flash chips. This results
in no need for residual (fractional) writes at the end of a file
copy or a file save.
3) Disable "Last Accessed". NTFS has several time stamps. One of the
stamps keeps track of the last time the file was read (rather than
written). This means the directory entry for the file gets updated
every time you "touch" the file. and that's extra flash cycles.
The more modern OSes, when they sniff "SSD", they disable that
feature automatically. In WinXP, you use a manual recipe for that.
4) WinXP might not have TRIM in the driver - see if the Samsung
Toolbox offers its own TRIM function. What TRIM does, is uses
an interface, telling the drive "where all the white space is
on the drive". The white space can then be used for the next
write, effectively making the spares pool larger and allowing
the disk to do better management of the Flash. A tradeoff of
using it might be, that immediately afterwards, using an "undelete"
program might not work right. If you're an inveterate file eraser
who needs undelete, you'll need to Google for the tradeoffs of
using TRIM, before using TRIM.

I doubt I can find the OCZ article from long ago, with the list of
things to do, so this will have to suffice. Not everything on the
following article is absolutely necessary, but at least it gives
you a list to look at. For example, the necessary "fsutil" command
is there for you to use (to set the NTFS policy).

https://www.prime-expert.com/article...ased-netbooks/

You can Repair Install using a WinXP installer CD, but then you
have to install all the Windows Update stuff again. Which is a
lot of work. A Repair Install will keep your personal files,
programs and settings, and allow the broken SSD to boot again
(by putting back whatever is missing).

You could compare the System32 files from the working HDD and
the (partially broken) SSD. But again, that's a lot of work.

The SSD can be evaluated with the Samsung Toolbox, to see whether
there is a serious issue in S.M.A.R.T, such as wear life exhausted.

You can clone the "working" HDD to the "new" SSD if you want,
but if using Macrium, you'd probably want to use their alignment
dialog to get the 1MB alignment while copying the HDD. That involves
clicking "Next", then "Back", then highlighting the partition needing
alignment, bringing up the dialog by using a link below the disk
display.

http://reflect.macrium.com/help/v5/p..._alignment.htm

Around frame 6 here, you can see me using the alignment/resize dialog.
By pressing Next, then Back, then selecting the partition, then
accessing the dialog box.

https://s22.postimg.cc/487zw4g1d/Clone_Disk.gif

Paul
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Old October 29th 19, 03:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !


I've not had great luck with samsung drives in the past. WD products
seem, to me, much more robust.
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Old October 29th 19, 04:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

On 10/28/19 4:04 PM, Birdie wrote:

[snip]

Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.

Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?


"used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot" (its saying what it did)

or

"use Ctrl Alt Del to reboot" (its giving you instructions)

The second case may be a security measure, and the keys will allow you
to continue.

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Old October 29th 19, 07:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

On 29 Oct 2019 14:25:40 GMT, ray carter wrote:


I've not had great luck with samsung drives in the past. WD products
seem, to me, much more robust.


I've had just the opposite... I buy Samsung hdd for all my computers
and my wife's. I first started using them when I read a blog about
the quietist coolest running hard drives (before SSDs) to use in home
theater applications and gave one a try; it made me a believer.
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Old October 29th 19, 08:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default NEW Samsung SSD FAILED !

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:04:31 -0700, Birdie wrote:

Lenovo T500 Win XP Pro.

Installed Samsung SSD and used for a year. Had fast boot and no problems.

Then Samsung SSD would not boot.
Started boot but not finish. Tried Safe Mode etc. No Go.
See multiple things loading then quits.

Put in original HDD and used it for a week. No problems.

Bought a new SSD Samsung 860 Pro 256G.

Used Samsung app to clone new SSD.

This SSD fails immediately at boot.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Booted from my Macrium Rescue CD that I created from this laptop.
Booted ok.
Tried to use the Boot Fix in the Macrium Rescue CD.
Then tried to boot the new SSD again and it immediately failed.
Just says used Ctrl Alt Del to reboot.

Reinstalled original HDD and it booted just fine and I am now on the
laptop with this HDD.

Suggestions please to fix or whatever please ?


MS had an update for Windows 7 that ate the boot sector... or
something like that. They put out a fix for it on line...

The thing would start booting normally then this update kicks in and
"detects" a boot sector virus (that isn't there) and kills the boot
process and tries again. The computer would never get into windows,
but just boot over and over.
 




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