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  #1  
Old February 16th 19, 06:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Default Thunderbird email problem

Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one mine,
the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail Spam folder
instead of returning it. Can't find an email support address for Mozilla.
One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should be 38 or newer to work
with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I check for updates says none
available. I just DLed and started using this one less than a year ago. Up
till a week or two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail or
Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA



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  #2  
Old February 16th 19, 07:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Thunderbird email problem

KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one mine,
the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail Spam folder
instead of returning it. Can't find an email support address for Mozilla.
One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should be 38 or newer to work
with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I check for updates says none
available. I just DLed and started using this one less than a year ago. Up
till a week or two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail or
Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA


You can have any Tbird you want.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...0/win32/en-US/

Thunderbird Setup 52.0.exe 38M 03-Apr-2017 15:51

Now, that being said *be really careful*.

Thunderbird can bring a profile forward. You can go from 2.0.0.19
to 52.0. But you can't go backwards afterwards. Reinstalling
2.0.0.19 after running 52.0 once, the old version isn't going to
know what to do with the newer version files and setup. It
*might* end up being a mess.

This requires that you locate the two places Thunderbird stores
files and make copies of stuff. I regularly back up my "data"
folder (it's close to 1GB now), but not the other one. If transferring
Thunderbird somewhere, you might consider backing up both folders
if you can find them.

One way to do it, would be to back up the entire C:, do some
messing about, decide you don't like the results, and restore
from backup. That requires less knowledge of the details.

In Account Settings : Local Folders, there is a /path
for where your data profile is stored. So that's a start.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\1234abcd.default\

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird
profiles.ini

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/1234abcd.default

So that's how it knows the profile name, using profiles.ini.

Then you can search on 1234abcd-type number, to spot the materials.
I could find profile names like 1234abcd.default in these places
on WinXP.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

The third path would be the Program Files folder, which you can
use Add/Remove in Control Panels for installing or removing
versions etc.

*******

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/th...-requirements/

Windows
Operating Systems

Windows XP SP3
Windows Server 2003 SP1
Windows Server 2003 R2
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows Vista
and Windows 7 can be used to run Thunderbird, only 32-bit builds of
Thunderbird are supported at this time.

Note that Thunderbird 52 is the last release to support Windows XP,
Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows 2008 and Windows Vista.

I wouldn't cut the release too close to the limit, as
plugin support got modified at some point during 52ESR.
Perhaps selecting an early (52.0) is good enough
for your purposes.

Just be careful not to zorch something :-) Thunderbird
is an asynchronous pig, that loves to pester you about
compacting your folders. Enjoy! Or something... I would
have a more positive attitude if they didn't keep
messing with it. "Messing with it" is when software
gets in your face, that's my definition.

Paul
  #3  
Old February 16th 19, 10:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
MikeS[_5_]
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Posts: 74
Default Thunderbird email problem

On 16/02/2019 17:39, KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one mine,
the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail Spam folder
instead of returning it. Can't find an email support address for Mozilla.
One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should be 38 or newer to work
with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I check for updates says none
available. I just DLed and started using this one less than a year ago. Up
till a week or two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail or
Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA



You may have downloaded Version 2 less than a year ago but it seems the
final release (2.0.0.24) was in early 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...elease_history

Are you saying that your Sent messages are not being delivered by Gmail
or just that a copy appears in your Inbox? If the latter it is a simple
TB setting which you must have changed by mistake.




  #4  
Old February 18th 19, 08:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Thunderbird email problem

KenK wrote:

I'm not that fond of Thunderbird!

What about another email ap other tham Gmail? I mainly use it as a backup
for daily Gmail email messages to my sister who also uses Gmail who
wishes me to send them to ease her mind. Sending emails with Gmail has
failed in the past - thus the backup.I used to use Eudora but it quit
working too a year or two ago. Someone elsewere suggested Opera? I'm
begining to think this may be a major problem with my XP. And I'd prefer
to continue using XP.

TIA


When you log into GMail on the web and check the settings,
is "less secure application" still enabled ? As that's
what allows Thunderbird to log in.

*******

There are a couple tools which are "software suites" with
more than one function inside.

I'm using an older version of Opera (12.16), and I wouldn't say it's
that wonderful for email. It still feels like using a web browser
to do mail. Thunderbird still "feels" like an email client (three
pane view, no monkey business). Later versions of Opera are based
on Chrome code. And Chrome stops at V49 or so on WinXP, so at some
point the "newer" Opera should be a problem too.

http://ftp.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera/win/

http://ftp.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera/win/1216/en/

I don't know why I downloaded this, but it's in my download
history. The Chrome it's based on is getting pretty close
to the end of WinXP era. So this (if the download is still
there) would be the newest Opera you could get and test on
WinXP, at a guess.

https://download3.operacdn.com/pub/o...0.65_Setup.exe

https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2016...130-65-update/

"Chromium is updated to version 49.0.2623.110"

Seamonkey would contain some of the code that Thunderbird
uses, so should have some similarities. But it would be
in the "less secure" (Google terminology) realm and need
the setting in "GMail settings" to function. It shows 2.49
when you visit the site from WinXP at least.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Google uses OAuth2 as an authentication protocol. Which
is a web protocol glued onto email clients. It was a hard
sell for the Thunderbird designers at the time, since it's
a coupling of something "somewhat incompatible" with how
email clients work.

As a result, the GMail "less secure application" setting
allows older clients without OAuth2 support, to work properly.

Paul
  #5  
Old February 18th 19, 08:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Thunderbird email problem

KenK wrote:
MikeS wrote in :

On 16/02/2019 17:39, KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one
mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail
Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email support
address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should
be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I
check for updates says none available. I just DLed and started using
this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or two ago it worked
fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail
or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA



You may have downloaded Version 2 less than a year ago but it seems
the final release (2.0.0.24) was in early 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ird#Release_hi
story


Perhaps it is the most recent version that works with XP?

Are you saying that your Sent messages are not being delivered by
Gmail or just that a copy appears in your Inbox? If the latter it is a
simple TB setting which you must have changed by mistake.


They are not being delivered TO Gmail. Gmail returns them.


Thunderbird would work, all the way up to the version based on
Firefox 52ESR. Thunderbird is actually a copy of Firefox (about
90 percent of the tarball of the source is Firefox code). The development
process consists of dragging in the latest Firefox code, then pouring
in the Thunderbird code and making it work "on top of" a new XUL.dll
engine.

So rather than Firefox being a "software suite" like some of the other
softwares, the "second feature" is implemented as a separate package.
Think of it as a "suite broken into pieces" in a sense.

The hardest part, is finding the "timeline chart" for each software
product, which contains info showing (perhaps) the last version that
runs in WinXP. I've had some softwares here, where I tested version
after version after version (Wireshark)... because the idiots refused
to label which one was the last one for certain OSes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...la_Thunderbird

52.9.1 Thunderbird 52.9.1 10 July 2018 Official version 52.9.1 release.
Last release to support Windows XP,
Windows Server 2003,
Windows Server 2003 R2,
Windows 2008 and Windows Vista.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...1/win32/en-US/
Thunderbird Setup 52.9.1.exe 38M 10-Jul-2018 18:01

According to the chart, that should work. However, I don't know
which release had problems with plugins.

That should "eat" your profile OK, but if you want to go
back to 2.0.0.24, that step could be a problem. And besides,
"everyone should learn how to back up their Thunderbird profile" :-)
I don't know how many times that's saved my ass. The Mork file
format doesn't really "feel" all that stable.

The article on backing up profiles here, is suitably confusing,
but mentions Mozbackup. There are two problems with the third party
program. It's no longer supported. And links to copies of
the program stored all over the place, contain adware. The
author of the program still maintains his own site. If you can
find "profiles.ini", then you can likely locate the chunk with
your Email and USENET files in it. I zip that one up for safe
keeping, for doing repairs to the data files when needed (the
profile below profiles.ini - the profiles.ini can be opened with
Notepad).

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Backing_up...and_setti ngs

Paul

  #6  
Old February 18th 19, 10:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
MikeS[_5_]
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Default Thunderbird email problem

On 18/02/2019 17:01, KenK wrote:
MikeS wrote in :

On 16/02/2019 17:39, KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one
mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail
Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email support
address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should
be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I
check for updates says none available. I just DLed and started using
this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or two ago it worked
fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail
or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA



You may have downloaded Version 2 less than a year ago but it seems
the final release (2.0.0.24) was in early 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ird#Release_hi
story


Perhaps it is the most recent version that works with XP?

Are you saying that your Sent messages are not being delivered by
Gmail or just that a copy appears in your Inbox? If the latter it is a
simple TB setting which you must have changed by mistake.


They are not being delivered TO Gmail. Gmail returns them.


Sorry, that makes no sense. If a sent email is not delivered from your
TB client TO Gmail how can Gmail return it?

If the Gmail server receives your sent email and is unable to deliver it
to the recipient it will return the email with an error message. Are you
seeing error messages from Gmail?
  #7  
Old February 18th 19, 10:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
MikeS[_5_]
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Posts: 74
Default Thunderbird email problem

On 18/02/2019 16:59, KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in :

KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations (one
mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in Gmail
Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email support
address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version should
be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I
check for updates says none available. I just DLed and started using
this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or two ago it worked
fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not Gmail
or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA


You can have any Tbird you want.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...52.0/win32/en-
US/

Thunderbird Setup 52.0.exe 38M 03-Apr-2017 15:51

Now, that being said *be really careful*.

Thunderbird can bring a profile forward. You can go from 2.0.0.19
to 52.0. But you can't go backwards afterwards. Reinstalling
2.0.0.19 after running 52.0 once, the old version isn't going to
know what to do with the newer version files and setup. It
*might* end up being a mess.

This requires that you locate the two places Thunderbird stores
files and make copies of stuff. I regularly back up my "data"
folder (it's close to 1GB now), but not the other one. If transferring
Thunderbird somewhere, you might consider backing up both folders
if you can find them.

One way to do it, would be to back up the entire C:, do some
messing about, decide you don't like the results, and restore
from backup. That requires less knowledge of the details.

In Account Settings : Local Folders, there is a /path
for where your data profile is stored. So that's a start.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\1234abcd.default\

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird
profiles.ini

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/1234abcd.default

So that's how it knows the profile name, using profiles.ini.

Then you can search on 1234abcd-type number, to spot the materials.
I could find profile names like 1234abcd.default in these places
on WinXP.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

The third path would be the Program Files folder, which you can
use Add/Remove in Control Panels for installing or removing
versions etc.

*******

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/th...em-requirement
s/

Windows
Operating Systems

Windows XP SP3
Windows Server 2003 SP1
Windows Server 2003 R2
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows
Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Thunderbird, only 32-bit
builds of Thunderbird are supported at this time.

Note that Thunderbird 52 is the last release to support Windows
XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows 2008 and
Windows Vista.

I wouldn't cut the release too close to the limit, as
plugin support got modified at some point during 52ESR.
Perhaps selecting an early (52.0) is good enough
for your purposes.

Just be careful not to zorch something :-) Thunderbird
is an asynchronous pig, that loves to pester you about
compacting your folders. Enjoy! Or something... I would
have a more positive attitude if they didn't keep
messing with it. "Messing with it" is when software
gets in your face, that's my definition.

Paul


I'm not that fond of Thunderbird!

What about another email ap other tham Gmail?


And I'd prefer to continue using XP.

TIA

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use that
on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.



  #8  
Old February 19th 19, 06:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Posts: 444
Default Thunderbird email problem

MikeS wrote in :

On 18/02/2019 17:01, KenK wrote:
MikeS wrote in :

On 16/02/2019 17:39, KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations

(one
mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it in

Gmail
Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email support
address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird version

should
be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it is 2 and when I
check for updates says none available. I just DLed and started using
this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or two ago it worked
fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not

Gmail
or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA



You may have downloaded Version 2 less than a year ago but it seems
the final release (2.0.0.24) was in early 2010:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ird#Release_hi
story


Perhaps it is the most recent version that works with XP?

Are you saying that your Sent messages are not being delivered by
Gmail or just that a copy appears in your Inbox? If the latter it is

a
simple TB setting which you must have changed by mistake.


They are not being delivered TO Gmail. Gmail returns them.


Sorry, that makes no sense. If a sent email is not delivered from your
TB client TO Gmail how can Gmail return it?


"Are you saying that your Sent messages are not being delivered by
Gmail"
I meant the message was being delivered from T-bird to Gmail.

If the Gmail server receives your sent email and is unable to deliver

it
to the recipient it will return the email with an error message. Are

you
seeing error messages from Gmail?


Gmail says it's spam.




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  #9  
Old February 19th 19, 06:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Posts: 444
Default Thunderbird email problem

MikeS wrote in :

On 18/02/2019 16:59, KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in
:

KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations
(one mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it
in Gmail Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email
support address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird
version should be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it
is 2 and when I check for updates says none available. I just DLed
and started using this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or
two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not
Gmail or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA

You can have any Tbird you want.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...es/52.0/win32/
en- US/

Thunderbird Setup 52.0.exe 38M 03-Apr-2017 15:51

Now, that being said *be really careful*.

Thunderbird can bring a profile forward. You can go from 2.0.0.19
to 52.0. But you can't go backwards afterwards. Reinstalling
2.0.0.19 after running 52.0 once, the old version isn't going to
know what to do with the newer version files and setup. It
*might* end up being a mess.

This requires that you locate the two places Thunderbird stores
files and make copies of stuff. I regularly back up my "data"
folder (it's close to 1GB now), but not the other one. If
transferring Thunderbird somewhere, you might consider backing up
both folders if you can find them.

One way to do it, would be to back up the entire C:, do some
messing about, decide you don't like the results, and restore
from backup. That requires less knowledge of the details.

In Account Settings : Local Folders, there is a /path
for where your data profile is stored. So that's a start.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\1234abcd.default\

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird
profiles.ini

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/1234abcd.default

So that's how it knows the profile name, using profiles.ini.

Then you can search on 1234abcd-type number, to spot the materials.
I could find profile names like 1234abcd.default in these places
on WinXP.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

The third path would be the Program Files folder, which you can
use Add/Remove in Control Panels for installing or removing
versions etc.

*******

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/th...stem-requireme
nt s/

Windows
Operating Systems

Windows XP SP3
Windows Server 2003 SP1
Windows Server 2003 R2
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Windows Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Thunderbird,
only 32-bit builds of Thunderbird are supported at this time.

Note that Thunderbird 52 is the last release to support Windows
XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows 2008
and Windows Vista.

I wouldn't cut the release too close to the limit, as
plugin support got modified at some point during 52ESR.
Perhaps selecting an early (52.0) is good enough
for your purposes.

Just be careful not to zorch something :-) Thunderbird
is an asynchronous pig, that loves to pester you about
compacting your folders. Enjoy! Or something... I would
have a more positive attitude if they didn't keep
messing with it. "Messing with it" is when software
gets in your face, that's my definition.

Paul


I'm not that fond of Thunderbird!

What about another email ap other tham Gmail?


And I'd prefer to continue using XP.

TIA

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use
that on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.


I'll check into that.




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  #10  
Old February 19th 19, 06:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
KenK
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Posts: 444
Default Thunderbird email problem

KenK wrote in news:XnsA9FB6C7E67E40invalidcom@
130.133.4.11:

MikeS wrote in :

On 18/02/2019 16:59, KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in
:

KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations
(one mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it
in Gmail Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email
support address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird
version should be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it
is 2 and when I check for updates says none available. I just DLed
and started using this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or
two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not
Gmail or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA

You can have any Tbird you want.


http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...es/52.0/win32/
en- US/

Thunderbird Setup 52.0.exe 38M 03-Apr-2017 15:51

Now, that being said *be really careful*.

Thunderbird can bring a profile forward. You can go from 2.0.0.19
to 52.0. But you can't go backwards afterwards. Reinstalling
2.0.0.19 after running 52.0 once, the old version isn't going to
know what to do with the newer version files and setup. It
*might* end up being a mess.

This requires that you locate the two places Thunderbird stores
files and make copies of stuff. I regularly back up my "data"
folder (it's close to 1GB now), but not the other one. If
transferring Thunderbird somewhere, you might consider backing up
both folders if you can find them.

One way to do it, would be to back up the entire C:, do some
messing about, decide you don't like the results, and restore
from backup. That requires less knowledge of the details.

In Account Settings : Local Folders, there is a /path
for where your data profile is stored. So that's a start.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\1234abcd.default\

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird
profiles.ini

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/1234abcd.default

So that's how it knows the profile name, using profiles.ini.

Then you can search on 1234abcd-type number, to spot the materials.
I could find profile names like 1234abcd.default in these places
on WinXP.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

The third path would be the Program Files folder, which you can
use Add/Remove in Control Panels for installing or removing
versions etc.

*******

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/th...52.7.0/system-

requireme
nt s/

Windows
Operating Systems

Windows XP SP3
Windows Server 2003 SP1
Windows Server 2003 R2
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Windows Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Thunderbird,
only 32-bit builds of Thunderbird are supported at this time.

Note that Thunderbird 52 is the last release to support Windows
XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows 2008
and Windows Vista.

I wouldn't cut the release too close to the limit, as
plugin support got modified at some point during 52ESR.
Perhaps selecting an early (52.0) is good enough
for your purposes.

Just be careful not to zorch something :-) Thunderbird
is an asynchronous pig, that loves to pester you about
compacting your folders. Enjoy! Or something... I would
have a more positive attitude if they didn't keep
messing with it. "Messing with it" is when software
gets in your face, that's my definition.

Paul


I'm not that fond of Thunderbird!

What about another email ap other tham Gmail?


And I'd prefer to continue using XP.

TIA

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use
that on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.


I'll check into that.




How do I find my incoming and outgoing email server names and types? Need
this to set up Outlook Express. Where can I look?


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Old February 19th 19, 08:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , KenK
writes:
KenK wrote in news:XnsA9FB6C7E67E40invalidcom@
130.133.4.11:

MikeS wrote in :


[sheesh, why does nobody snip any more?)

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use
that on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.


I'll check into that.




How do I find my incoming and outgoing email server names and types? Need
this to set up Outlook Express. Where can I look?


If you've been using Thunderbird (until it decided to fail), they will
be shown in there - under Account Settings I think. (Some of the terms
used may be different.) Note that TB stores its incoming and outgoing
settings in different places.
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Old February 19th 19, 08:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in news:XnsA9FB6C7E67E40invalidcom@
130.133.4.11:

MikeS wrote in :

On 18/02/2019 16:59, KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in
:

KenK wrote:
Gmail keeps returning T-bird messages. Tried two Gmail locations
(one mine, the other my sister) so not Gmail setting. Once put it
in Gmail Spam folder instead of returning it. Can't find an email
support address for Mozilla. One clue from Mozilla says T-bird
version should be 38 or newer to work with Gmail. My T-bird says it
is 2 and when I check for updates says none available. I just DLed
and started using this one less than a year ago. Up till a week or
two ago it worked fine with Gmail.

I guess I'll have to replace T-bird with another enmail ap. Not
Gmail or Eudora.

Any suggestions to make it work or what to replace it with?

TIA

You can have any Tbird you want.


http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thun...es/52.0/win32/
en- US/

Thunderbird Setup 52.0.exe 38M 03-Apr-2017 15:51

Now, that being said *be really careful*.

Thunderbird can bring a profile forward. You can go from 2.0.0.19
to 52.0. But you can't go backwards afterwards. Reinstalling
2.0.0.19 after running 52.0 once, the old version isn't going to
know what to do with the newer version files and setup. It
*might* end up being a mess.

This requires that you locate the two places Thunderbird stores
files and make copies of stuff. I regularly back up my "data"
folder (it's close to 1GB now), but not the other one. If
transferring Thunderbird somewhere, you might consider backing up
both folders if you can find them.

One way to do it, would be to back up the entire C:, do some
messing about, decide you don't like the results, and restore
from backup. That requires less knowledge of the details.

In Account Settings : Local Folders, there is a /path
for where your data profile is stored. So that's a start.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\1234abcd.default\

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Thunderbird
profiles.ini

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/1234abcd.default

So that's how it knows the profile name, using profiles.ini.

Then you can search on 1234abcd-type number, to spot the materials.
I could find profile names like 1234abcd.default in these places
on WinXP.

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application
Data\Thunderbird\Profiles

The third path would be the Program Files folder, which you can
use Add/Remove in Control Panels for installing or removing
versions etc.

*******

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/th...52.7.0/system- requireme
nt s/

Windows
Operating Systems

Windows XP SP3
Windows Server 2003 SP1
Windows Server 2003 R2
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Windows Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Thunderbird,
only 32-bit builds of Thunderbird are supported at this time.

Note that Thunderbird 52 is the last release to support Windows
XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows 2008
and Windows Vista.

I wouldn't cut the release too close to the limit, as
plugin support got modified at some point during 52ESR.
Perhaps selecting an early (52.0) is good enough
for your purposes.

Just be careful not to zorch something :-) Thunderbird
is an asynchronous pig, that loves to pester you about
compacting your folders. Enjoy! Or something... I would
have a more positive attitude if they didn't keep
messing with it. "Messing with it" is when software
gets in your face, that's my definition.

Paul


I'm not that fond of Thunderbird!

What about another email ap other tham Gmail?

And I'd prefer to continue using XP.

TIA

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use
that on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.


I'll check into that.


How do I find my incoming and outgoing email server names and types? Need
this to set up Outlook Express. Where can I look?


Google your server web sites and you should find the config information.


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Old February 19th 19, 09:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK
writes:
KenK wrote in news:XnsA9FB6C7E67E40invalidcom@
130.133.4.11:

MikeS wrote in :


[sheesh, why does nobody snip any more?)

If you are using XP it should have Outlook Express installed. I use
that on several XP VMs and it works fine with Gmail.

I'll check into that.




How do I find my incoming and outgoing email server names and types? Need
this to set up Outlook Express. Where can I look?


If you've been using Thunderbird (until it decided to fail), they will
be shown in there - under Account Settings I think. (Some of the terms
used may be different.) Note that TB stores its incoming and outgoing
settings in different places.
[]


They have a video here, but I'm not a big fan of videos when
you're trying to set stuff up.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...bird-and-gmail

https://i.postimg.cc/cJsYYhJf/email-...ew-details.gif

The IMAP/POP3 section for outgoing, would be in the specific account
section. The SMTP might be held separately on the screen, near the
left column, at the bottom.

Here's an IMAP for gmail.

https://prod-cdn.sumo.mozilla.net/up...-42-e28e12.png

The SMTP are in a table here. At one time, you would
only use your ISPs SMTP (port 25), but these are showing
the usage of the email service SMTP on port 465 (encrypted).

https://prod-cdn.sumo.mozilla.net/up...-47-62558f.png

You can enter the "account details" when running the new version
of Thunderbird and then verify the settings afterwards when
the account is showing in the left pane. Use the auto-setup
in other words, but still verify whether the details are
the same as before.

Paul
 




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