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Old December 5th 18, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.



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Old December 5th 18, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/5/18 10:00 AM, KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.




Finish the Install of Windows 10. Then plug in
the Ethernet cable to your new computer. Should
be very uneventful.

Test your speed at http://speedof.me




  #3  
Old December 5th 18, 07:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.


If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.

*******

I've always modified the settings on mine, and for
that, I usually need the username/password for the
ADSL service. The username could be an account
code, like A1234567 and the password might be
assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes
a reputable ISP will put all those little
numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can
tape the card to the equipment for later experiments.
If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged
operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values.
That information isn't always on the card. A website like
DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs.

For best results, start off using the *same cable*
the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked.
Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the
junk room, which happens not to work.

You might want to Google the model number of the
box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router,
whether it supports routed or bridged operation,
and whether a popular web page describes how
to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really
think you need to do anything, but "chance
favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the
more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms
as they arise.

In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't
enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my
room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone
Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my
tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And
the next day, my service was running. If I phoned
the "normal" service number, I kept getting the
"why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works"
routine. I hate that.

Paul
  #4  
Old December 5th 18, 07:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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KenK wrote:

I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?


Many router/modems have security features (in addition to a stateful
firewall) one of which is to disallow all connections to the router
unless an intranet host's IP (static) or MAC address is added to a
whitelist. That is, only those IP or MAC addresses in the whitelist
will be allowed to use the router. The default is to allow all intranet
hosts to connect to the router, so if you didn't tweak the router's
security settings then it won't care about what intranet host uses it.

Have you ever visited the internal web server inside the modem to look
at its settings? If not then the modem is running with the default
login credentials which means anyone can remotely access that modem.
There are public lists of default logins for various brands and models
of routers and modems. They can be used to hack through router/modems
where the login credentials have not been changed away from the
defaults. Log into the modem and change the password to a strong one
(likely you cannot change the username, just the password). You don't
want someone using the default login to remotely get through the modem
to modify it, like punching a hole through its firewall to grant
external access to all your intranet hosts.
  #5  
Old December 5th 18, 07:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is
a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I
need to know before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do
this?

Thanks much for any tips.


If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.


Zyxel model number C1100Z.

*******

I've always modified the settings on mine, and for
that, I usually need the username/password for the
ADSL service. The username could be an account
code, like A1234567 and the password might be
assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes
a reputable ISP will put all those little
numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can
tape the card to the equipment for later experiments.
If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged
operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values.
That information isn't always on the card. A website like
DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs.

For best results, start off using the *same cable*
the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked.
Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the
junk room, which happens not to work.

You might want to Google the model number of the
box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router,
whether it supports routed or bridged operation,
and whether a popular web page describes how
to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really
think you need to do anything, but "chance
favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the
more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms
as they arise.

In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't
enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my
room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone
Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my
tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And
the next day, my service was running. If I phoned
the "normal" service number, I kept getting the
"why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works"
routine. I hate that.

Paul


Thank you. Need to print this out and digest it later when I have some
more time.



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Old December 5th 18, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z


So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and
sharing
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Old December 5th 18, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Connecting DSL to Win 10

In article , KenK
wrote:

I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.


why don't you have a router with a lan?
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Old December 5th 18, 08:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5 Dec 2018 18:46:22 GMT, KenK wrote:

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is
a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I
need to know before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do
this?

Thanks much for any tips.


If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.


Zyxel model number C1100Z.



It's a combination router/modem. Even without your providing the model
number I knew it was, since you said "I prefer to use a wired
connection rather than wi-fi." Boxes that are just modems never have
wi-fi connection.

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly
called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet
connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital
conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term
"modem" is technically inappropriate.

However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely
known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices.
Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not
technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the
analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the
same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet.
Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that
connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so
widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a
modem is just rigid and inflexible.

Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes,
calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and
away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word
"modem" has changed its meaning over time.

A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a
device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable)
modem in a single box.

Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer
and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate
DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video
screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both
have to be replaced.
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Old December 5th 18, 08:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Andy Burns wrote:
KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z


So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and
sharing


Looks like a serious piece of iron to me.

https://www.amazon.com/C1100Z-802-11.../dp/B015ELWZ16

Plug and play by the looks of it.

VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker.

Nothing to learn, nothing to know :-)

If I owned it, I might check that the password
has been changed, if it's something like "admin:admin".
But Centurylink has probably programmed these in
the shop, for the correct setup.

Some of the rental boxes like that, have a huge
label adhered to them, with a bunch of long random
passwords, as proof they do care about not leaving
default passwords on stuff.

If you bought one of those at retail, on say Newegg,
they you'd be responsible for properly programming it
and securing it. For example, I did my own VOIP
setup using my ISP VOIP service, but I got the
tech support to print off the settings. Some ISP-grade
equipment, has a couple URL entries in the web setup,
which allow the box, every time it boots, to go out
and fetch the latest config and firmware info, keeping
the box secure. So that's a "pull" method, rather than
the "push" method they once used on rentals. (My first
broadband modem was a security nightmare, with known
exploits, but as soon as it's connected to the phone
company, they push out the patches to fix the spaghetti
security holes. The newer boxes "pull" on power-up.
You can enter the web interface and disable that
if you want.)

Paul
  #10  
Old December 5th 18, 08:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z


So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network
and sharing


VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker.


Odd that century link just describe it as "a modem", when taking an
actual look, it is a combined modem/router/access point like everyone
else calls "a router"

ignore the PPPoE suggestion.
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Old December 5th 18, 08:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly
called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet
connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital
conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term
"modem" is technically inappropriate.


for dsl, it is a modem.

for other types of broadband, it may or may not be a modem.

However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely
known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices.
Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not
technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the
analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the
same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet.
Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that
connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so
widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a
modem is just rigid and inflexible.


then why are you making a big deal about it?

Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes,
calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and
away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word
"modem" has changed its meaning over time.


the meaning hasn't changed. what changed is usage and the difference
does not matter.

A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a
device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable)
modem in a single box.


false.

in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet.

mine certainly does.

Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer
and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate
DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video
screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both
have to be replaced.


sometimes separate devices are useful and sometimes they're not.

a combo device can sometimes do things not possible with separate
devices. combo devices are also less clutter.

for example, a combo printer/scanner can function as a copying machine
with the tap of a button. the ones with sheet feeders are even more
convenient.
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Old December 5th 18, 11:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:


Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?

It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

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Old December 6th 18, 12:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:04:38 +0000 (GMT), "rp"
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:


Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?



What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more
details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them.



It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

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Old December 6th 18, 01:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:04:38 +0000 (GMT), "rp"
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?

It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.


What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more
details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them.


ADSL works in the frequency domain.

Wiki ADSL points to DMT. DMT points to OFDM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthog...n_multiplexing

"OFDM is a frequency-division multiplexing (FDM) scheme used
as a digital multi-carrier modulation method.

Numerous closely spaced orthogonal sub-carrier signals with overlapping
spectra are emitted to carry data.

Demodulation is based on Fast Fourier Transform algorithms.
[The ADSL modem tends to run at constant-power, because the
DSP doing this runs constantly, never knowing when information
content might be on the wire.]

Each sub-carrier (signal) is modulated with a conventional
modulation scheme (such as quadrature amplitude modulation [QAM]
or phase-shift keying [PSK]) at a low symbol rate. This maintains
total data rates similar to conventional single-carrier modulation
schemes in the same bandwidth.

The main advantage of OFDM over single-carrier schemes is its
ability to cope with severe channel conditions (for example,
attenuation of high frequencies in a long copper wire, narrowband
interference and frequency-selective fading due to multipath)
without complex equalization filters. Channel equalization is
simplified because OFDM may be viewed as using many slowly modulated
narrowband signals rather than one rapidly modulated wideband signal.
"

Originally, this design was intended for 18000 foot or 36000 foot wires.
Today, fiber to the concentrator reduces the copper wire portion to 500-1000
feet, and conditions aren't nearly as demanding of tolerance to line
conditions.

On an 18000 foot wire, there might have been loading coils
at one time.

Dialup modems work in a similar way, in that they have frequency
buckets and measurable impairment at various frequencies. There
is a command on dialup modems, after a session ends, to dump the
information about the frequency buckets. An expert may be able
to examine those numbers, and suggest what should be looked
for when a trouble-ticket is filed with the phone company.

The spectrum on VDSL2 now extends up to 30MHz, which means the
carriers on the line, go all the way up into the CB (Citizens Band)
radio region. And that's a valid usage on that 500-1000 foot piece
of wire. If the wire is made longer than that, you would have trouble
meeting the contracted data rate (up/down). You can't shove a
30MHz signal through 18000 feet of wire, and get 100Mbit/sec from
it.

*******

Some ADSL modems have a telnet interface, where a table of data is
sitting. There is at least one software program, that logs into the
modem and collects that data for display. The display looks like this.

https://www.spida.net/projects/softw...-ux/dmt-ux.png

Using the SNR, at one time people would phone up the ISP
and ask for their "capped rate" to be raised. This is different
than the contract rate. The capped rate is a "safe value", where
most of the time, packets are not errored. In the old days, it
was quite common for line conditions to suck enough, that the
rate "had to be turned down". You contracted 5Mbit down,
and got 3Mbit down via "capped rate". The provider adjusted
the capped rate, to ensure your equipment didn't need to do a
lot of TCP retries, to get packets through undamaged.

Today, in the city at least, that's largely in the past. My
contract rate today is 15, my capped rate is 15. I no
longer get ripped off. I went from 5 (capped to 3), to
15 (capped to 15), for a 5x increase in performance.
The capping game isn't what it used to be. We no longer
have to "beg" for bandwidth via trouble-ticket :-) Good
times.

Cable broadband is also modulated. Up in the VHF somewhere
presumably.

*******

If you want to get into arguments about the semantics of
modulation/demodulation, it renders the term meaningless.
In a technical discussion, the term is saved for non-trivial
cases. In the case of ADSL, a significant amount of
electrical power goes into its operation, which raises
the operating costs of VOIP, and the whole thing ends up
looking ridiculous compared to the power-sipping that POTS
does.

Paul
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Old December 6th 18, 02:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/5/2018 5:04 PM, rp wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:


Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?

It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone
went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the
digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system.

I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of
digits as a URL

192.168.01.01
919-333-3636

Is this assumption correct?







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