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Robert in CA wrote:
We can go ahead and do the 780 HD with the Win 10. First, clone it back to Win 7 Pro, and then do the procedure of the partitions and then add Win 10. Is that correct? Robert It really helps, to have room to work. Have you verified you have enough partitions ? What does Disk Management show right now ? I'd prefer to build this, by transferring stuff a bit at a time. It's the difference between "building a ship" and "building a ship in a bottle". One of those is harder than the other. Working in the bottle "does not suffer fools". One mistake and your schooner is a wreck, with glue in all the wrong places. In the past, I've had to spend days, moving stuff off some disks and onto other disks, just to "make myself enough room to work". That's how it is with disk drives. Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building this on, using Disk Management. Paul |
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Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building this on, using Disk Management. Paul Give me a bit of time,.. I need to replace the HD's in the 780 for that and put in the Win10 HD. Robert |
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On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 11:23:24 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: We can go ahead and do the 780 HD with the Win 10. First, clone it back to Win 7 Pro, and then do the procedure of the partitions and then add Win 10. Is that correct? Robert It really helps, to have room to work. Have you verified you have enough partitions ? What does Disk Management show right now ? I'd prefer to build this, by transferring stuff a bit at a time. It's the difference between "building a ship" and "building a ship in a bottle". One of those is harder than the other. Working in the bottle "does not suffer fools". One mistake and your schooner is a wreck, with glue in all the wrong places. In the past, I've had to spend days, moving stuff off some disks and onto other disks, just to "make myself enough room to work". That's how it is with disk drives. Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building this on, using Disk Management. Paul After thinking about it I think I'll just stay with what I have. We already have (2) Win7 Pro backup HD's which is my primary OS and have (2) external HD's, one for each computer (2)PSU's for each computer, and we've made the one Win10 HD for the 780 so all we have to do is make a Win 10 for the 8500. This still requires at least 1)more HD to buy which believe it or not is a strain on my budget right now so we'll have to wait until I can purchase it. While the hybrid HD with two OS sounds intriguing it also doesn't leave much extra space for anything. Also, I'm not sure now I would be switching between them all that much because as we both agree Win 10 has allot to be desired and I just have too many things to do. Thanks, Robert |
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Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10 when I discovered the the DVD player in the 8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks but it doesn't recognize them. I did a search but don;t know which one to pick? https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814 Thoughts/suggestions Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10 when I discovered the the DVD player in the 8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks but it doesn't recognize them. I did a search but don;t know which one to pick? https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814 Thoughts/suggestions Robert The Newegg search isn't entirely "Google Like". The category starts here. https://www.newegg.com/CD-DVD-Burners/SubCategory/ID-5 Form factor 5.25" is for desktops. Form factor "Slim 12.7mm" is more likely a laptop thing. Interfaces are SATA and IDE, except IDE (ribbon) is not made any more and when I wanted one, I had to go to a local "surplus" shop to get it. Your machine likely uses a SATA cable for that drive, so the current product line should be fine for the job. What's interesting, is Newegg seems to have no drives it vends itself, and all the orders are to be filled by outsiders. Like this one. These things should really be $20, and you can thank external factors for doubling the price. https://www.newegg.com/lg-model-gh24...82E16827136259 I checked a local store, saw what they had to offer, fed that back into Newegg, and got this. It's $18 and the buffer is the wrong size (0.5MB instead of 2MB). It also gets a report of "loud", but to some extent that's unavoidable at $18. https://www.newegg.com/lg-model-gh24...82E16827136276 My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings. This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search), and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204 Paul |
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writes: Robert in CA wrote: Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10 when I discovered the the DVD player in the 8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks but it doesn't recognize them. I did a search but don;t know which one to pick? https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814 Thoughts/suggestions Robert The Newegg search isn't entirely "Google Like". The category starts here. https://www.newegg.com/CD-DVD-Burners/SubCategory/ID-5 Form factor 5.25" is for desktops. Form factor "Slim 12.7mm" is more likely a laptop thing. Though I've found laptop-like drives in desktop machines, especially SFF (small form factor) ones, that is the little cases popular (here in UK, anyway) with businesses and shops. Basically, if your drive just pops open an inch or so when you eject (either using eject from a menu or pressing the eject button), then it's that type; if the tray comes all the way out under motorised drive, it's a 5¼" one. Interfaces are SATA and IDE, except IDE (ribbon) is not made any more and when I wanted one, I had to go to a local "surplus" shop to get it. Your machine likely uses a SATA cable for that drive, so the current product line should be fine for the job. Given this is an XP 'group, it may well be (E)IDE; easy to check by what sort of connector. If EIDE, it's a wide (40 way) ribbon (and probably a Molex - four chunky pins - for power); if it's a small usually black connector, it's SATA (and may have a SATA power connector too, which is similar but wider, though still not as wide as an IDE data ribbon). I don't know if laptop type (popout) drives ever came in EIDE. [] I fear optical drives seem to just fail. Sometimes they'll at first read but not write, or handle CDs but not DVDs (or in theory the other way round if they have two laser LEDs). And I don't think price has much connection with longevity - of the laser, anyway; it might with the mechanics, but I don't think I've ever encountered more than one or two that have failed mechanically. The only actual extra feature I ever came across was lightscribe capability, but that fad seems to have gone - nobody makes lightscribe media any more. (Ones where the other side of the disc had a coating you could write a label onto, _with the drive_.) It _might_ be worth cleaning the lens, if you can get at it; don't use solvents that could attack its optical coating, though. If you can't get at it, you _can_ get cleaner discs - basically, these are CDs with little brushes set into them! - but I have my doubts whether they actually work. (Also, if your drive isn't reading at all, they might not work for a different reason: those discs rely on the drive moving the lens to where the brushes are, and if it won't read the index, it won't move the lens.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Gentlemen, you can't fight in he this is the war room!" (Dr. Strangelove) |
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I fear optical drives seem to just fail. Sometimes they'll at first read but not write, or handle CDs but not DVDs (or in theory the other way round if they have two laser LEDs). And I don't think price has much connection with longevity - of the laser, anyway; it might with the mechanics, but I don't think I've ever encountered more than one or two that have failed mechanically. The only actual extra feature I ever came across was lightscribe capability, but that fad seems to have gone - nobody makes lightscribe media any more. (Ones where the other side of the disc had a coating you could write a label onto, _with the drive_.) It _might_ be worth cleaning the lens, if you can get at it; don't use solvents that could attack its optical coating, though. If you can't get at it, you _can_ get cleaner discs - basically, these are CDs with little brushes set into them! - but I have my doubts whether they actually work. (Also, if your drive isn't reading at all, they might not work for a different reason: those discs rely on the drive moving the lens to where the brushes are, and if it won't read the index, it won't move the lens.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Gentlemen, you can't fight in he this is the war room!" (Dr. Strangelove) Thanks, I'll just get a new DVD player and upgrade. btw I love Dr Stangelove. I have a copy of it on DVD. George C. Scott is great in that role and Peter Sellers of course in multiple rolls. A true classic but I digress. Robert |
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My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings. This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search), and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204 Paul So you would recommend the Asus? Robert So |
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It's got 4 out 5 eggs with 5,900 reviews
I read some and they seem good. Maybe this is one of those bargains with quality that comes along every so often? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings. This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search), and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204 Paul So you would recommend the Asus? Robert The reviews seem better. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
It's got 4 out 5 eggs with 5,900 reviews I read some and they seem good. Maybe this is one of those bargains with quality that comes along every so often? Robert I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which turned out OK. I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones. Paul |
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On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 4:13:24 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings. This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search), and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204 Paul So you would recommend the Asus? Robert The reviews seem better. Paul Bought the DVD player and a Seagate 2TB HD, same ones we've been using. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16822148834 I like them allot and they are totally quiet. I still have the WD which I use for the external HD for the 8500. Robert |
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I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which turned out OK. I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones. Paul The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little trouble getting started because it tried to read the optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted the disc that came with the new player and nothing happened just like my old player. I'm beginning to think it's something else that is preventing the player from working because the new player should work but its doing exactly what the old player did. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which turned out OK. I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones. Paul The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little trouble getting started because it tried to read the optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted the disc that came with the new player and nothing happened just like my old player. I'm beginning to think it's something else that is preventing the player from working because the new player should work but its doing exactly what the old player did. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert Is that SATA port enabled in the BIOS? JT -- |
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JT wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which turned out OK. I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones. Paul The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little trouble getting started because it tried to read the optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted the disc that came with the new player and nothing happened just like my old player. I'm beginning to think it's something else that is preventing the player from working because the new player should work but its doing exactly what the old player did. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert Is that SATA port enabled in the BIOS? JT That's a good place to start. The OP has two computers, and he could do an optical drive swap on the working machine, in order to do some read tests on the new optical drive. When drives have two lasers, and one laser fails, then testing with CD media, then DVD media, helps figure out if it's just one kind of media that cannot be read. I might try a CD Audio, then a DVD movie, and see if they're readable. Whereas if all ability to read is lost at once, that could just as easily be a missing driver, drive disabled in Device Manager, a port that's disabled in the BIOS, power connector fell off - any item that would be a single-point-of-failure. If the power cable falls off, of course the tray won't open on a desktop (motorized) drive. Paul |
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