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  #601  
Old September 8th 19, 07:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Robert in CA wrote:


We can go ahead and do the 780 HD with the Win 10. First,
clone it back to Win 7 Pro, and then do the procedure of
the partitions and then add Win 10. Is that correct?

Robert


It really helps, to have room to work.

Have you verified you have enough partitions ?

What does Disk Management show right now ?

I'd prefer to build this, by transferring stuff a bit
at a time.

It's the difference between "building a ship"
and "building a ship in a bottle". One of those is
harder than the other. Working in the bottle
"does not suffer fools". One mistake and your
schooner is a wreck, with glue in all the wrong
places.

In the past, I've had to spend days, moving stuff
off some disks and onto other disks, just to
"make myself enough room to work". That's how it is
with disk drives.

Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building
this on, using Disk Management.

Paul
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  #602  
Old September 8th 19, 08:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building
this on, using Disk Management.

Paul




Give me a bit of time,.. I need to
replace the HD's in the 780 for that
and put in the Win10 HD.

Robert
  #603  
Old September 9th 19, 03:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 11:23:24 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


We can go ahead and do the 780 HD with the Win 10. First,
clone it back to Win 7 Pro, and then do the procedure of
the partitions and then add Win 10. Is that correct?

Robert


It really helps, to have room to work.

Have you verified you have enough partitions ?

What does Disk Management show right now ?

I'd prefer to build this, by transferring stuff a bit
at a time.

It's the difference between "building a ship"
and "building a ship in a bottle". One of those is
harder than the other. Working in the bottle
"does not suffer fools". One mistake and your
schooner is a wreck, with glue in all the wrong
places.

In the past, I've had to spend days, moving stuff
off some disks and onto other disks, just to
"make myself enough room to work". That's how it is
with disk drives.

Show me a picture of the disk we'll be building
this on, using Disk Management.

Paul



After thinking about it I think I'll just stay
with what I have. We already have (2) Win7 Pro
backup HD's which is my primary OS and have (2)
external HD's, one for each computer (2)PSU's
for each computer, and we've made the one Win10
HD for the 780 so all we have to do is make a
Win 10 for the 8500. This still requires at least
1)more HD to buy which believe it or not is a
strain on my budget right now so we'll have to
wait until I can purchase it.

While the hybrid HD with two OS sounds intriguing
it also doesn't leave much extra space for anything.
Also, I'm not sure now I would be switching between
them all that much because as we both agree Win 10
has allot to be desired and I just have too many
things to do.

Thanks,
Robert







  #604  
Old September 28th 19, 06:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10
when I discovered the the DVD player in the
8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks
but it doesn't recognize them.

I did a search but don;t know which one to pick?


https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814


Thoughts/suggestions
Robert

  #605  
Old September 28th 19, 07:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Robert in CA wrote:
Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10
when I discovered the the DVD player in the
8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks
but it doesn't recognize them.

I did a search but don;t know which one to pick?


https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814


Thoughts/suggestions
Robert


The Newegg search isn't entirely "Google Like".

The category starts here.

https://www.newegg.com/CD-DVD-Burners/SubCategory/ID-5

Form factor 5.25" is for desktops.

Form factor "Slim 12.7mm" is more likely a laptop thing.

Interfaces are SATA and IDE, except IDE (ribbon) is
not made any more and when I wanted one, I had to go
to a local "surplus" shop to get it. Your machine
likely uses a SATA cable for that drive, so the current
product line should be fine for the job.

What's interesting, is Newegg seems to have no drives it
vends itself, and all the orders are to be filled by
outsiders. Like this one. These things should really be
$20, and you can thank external factors for doubling the
price.

https://www.newegg.com/lg-model-gh24...82E16827136259

I checked a local store, saw what they had to offer, fed that
back into Newegg, and got this. It's $18 and the buffer is
the wrong size (0.5MB instead of 2MB). It also gets a report
of "loud", but to some extent that's unavoidable at $18.

https://www.newegg.com/lg-model-gh24...82E16827136276

My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the
Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings.
This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search),
and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally
recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204

Paul
  #606  
Old September 28th 19, 12:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
Robert in CA wrote:
Well I was all set to buy the HD for Win10 when I discovered the the
DVD player in the 8500 no longer functions. I can load the disks
but it doesn't recognize them. I did a search but don;t know which
one to pick?

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=new+cd...ll+8500&N=4814
Thoughts/suggestions
Robert


The Newegg search isn't entirely "Google Like".

The category starts here.

https://www.newegg.com/CD-DVD-Burners/SubCategory/ID-5

Form factor 5.25" is for desktops.

Form factor "Slim 12.7mm" is more likely a laptop thing.


Though I've found laptop-like drives in desktop machines, especially SFF
(small form factor) ones, that is the little cases popular (here in UK,
anyway) with businesses and shops. Basically, if your drive just pops
open an inch or so when you eject (either using eject from a menu or
pressing the eject button), then it's that type; if the tray comes all
the way out under motorised drive, it's a 5¼" one.

Interfaces are SATA and IDE, except IDE (ribbon) is
not made any more and when I wanted one, I had to go
to a local "surplus" shop to get it. Your machine
likely uses a SATA cable for that drive, so the current
product line should be fine for the job.


Given this is an XP 'group, it may well be (E)IDE; easy to check by what
sort of connector. If EIDE, it's a wide (40 way) ribbon (and probably a
Molex - four chunky pins - for power); if it's a small usually black
connector, it's SATA (and may have a SATA power connector too, which is
similar but wider, though still not as wide as an IDE data ribbon).

I don't know if laptop type (popout) drives ever came in EIDE.
[]
I fear optical drives seem to just fail. Sometimes they'll at first read
but not write, or handle CDs but not DVDs (or in theory the other way
round if they have two laser LEDs). And I don't think price has much
connection with longevity - of the laser, anyway; it might with the
mechanics, but I don't think I've ever encountered more than one or two
that have failed mechanically. The only actual extra feature I ever came
across was lightscribe capability, but that fad seems to have gone -
nobody makes lightscribe media any more. (Ones where the other side of
the disc had a coating you could write a label onto, _with the drive_.)

It _might_ be worth cleaning the lens, if you can get at it; don't use
solvents that could attack its optical coating, though. If you can't get
at it, you _can_ get cleaner discs - basically, these are CDs with
little brushes set into them! - but I have my doubts whether they
actually work. (Also, if your drive isn't reading at all, they might not
work for a different reason: those discs rely on the drive moving the
lens to where the brushes are, and if it won't read the index, it won't
move the lens.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in he this is the war room!" (Dr. Strangelove)
  #607  
Old September 28th 19, 11:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I fear optical drives seem to just fail. Sometimes they'll at first read
but not write, or handle CDs but not DVDs (or in theory the other way
round if they have two laser LEDs). And I don't think price has much
connection with longevity - of the laser, anyway; it might with the
mechanics, but I don't think I've ever encountered more than one or two
that have failed mechanically. The only actual extra feature I ever came
across was lightscribe capability, but that fad seems to have gone -
nobody makes lightscribe media any more. (Ones where the other side of
the disc had a coating you could write a label onto, _with the drive_.)

It _might_ be worth cleaning the lens, if you can get at it; don't use
solvents that could attack its optical coating, though. If you can't get
at it, you _can_ get cleaner discs - basically, these are CDs with
little brushes set into them! - but I have my doubts whether they
actually work. (Also, if your drive isn't reading at all, they might not
work for a different reason: those discs rely on the drive moving the
lens to where the brushes are, and if it won't read the index, it won't
move the lens.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in he this is the war room!" (Dr. Strangelove)




Thanks, I'll just get a new DVD player
and upgrade.

btw I love Dr Stangelove. I have a copy
of it on DVD. George C. Scott is great
in that role and Peter Sellers of course
in multiple rolls. A true classic but I
digress.

Robert
  #608  
Old September 28th 19, 11:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the
Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings.
This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search),
and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally
recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204

Paul


So you would recommend the Asus?

Robert



So
  #609  
Old September 28th 19, 11:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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It's got 4 out 5 eggs with 5,900 reviews
I read some and they seem good. Maybe this
is one of those bargains with quality that
comes along every so often?

Robert
  #610  
Old September 29th 19, 12:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the
Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings.
This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search),
and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally
recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204

Paul


So you would recommend the Asus?

Robert


The reviews seem better.

Paul
  #611  
Old September 29th 19, 02:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Robert in CA wrote:
It's got 4 out 5 eggs with 5,900 reviews
I read some and they seem good. Maybe this
is one of those bargains with quality that
comes along every so often?

Robert


I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which
turned out OK.

I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones.

Paul
  #612  
Old September 29th 19, 07:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 4:13:24 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
My conclusion would be, there's something wrong with the
Newegg search engine, if it won't find its own product listings.
This one is about $24 (found it using a Google site search),
and might be a bit better than the $18 one. I don't normally
recommend Asus drives, but it there's nothing else good... well.

https://www.newegg.com/asus-model-dr...82E16827135204

Paul


So you would recommend the Asus?

Robert


The reviews seem better.

Paul




Bought the DVD player and a Seagate 2TB
HD, same ones we've been using.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16822148834

I like them allot and they are totally
quiet. I still have the WD which I use
for the external HD for the 8500.

Robert
  #613  
Old October 2nd 19, 11:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which
turned out OK.

I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones.

Paul


The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the
old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little
trouble getting started because it tried to read the
optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted
the disc that came with the new player and nothing
happened just like my old player.

I'm beginning to think it's something else that is
preventing the player from working because the new player
should work but its doing exactly what the old player did.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
  #614  
Old October 3rd 19, 12:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Robert in CA wrote:


I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which
turned out OK.

I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones.

Paul


The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the
old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little
trouble getting started because it tried to read the
optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted
the disc that came with the new player and nothing
happened just like my old player.

I'm beginning to think it's something else that is
preventing the player from working because the new player
should work but its doing exactly what the old player did.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


Is that SATA port enabled in the BIOS?


JT

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Old October 3rd 19, 01:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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JT wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

I have several drives I only paid $20 for, which
turned out OK.

I rely on the reviews, to identify the bad ones.

Paul

The DVD player and HD arrived today.I replaced the
old DVD player with the new and the 8500 had a little
trouble getting started because it tried to read the
optical disk but I finally got online. Then inserted
the disc that came with the new player and nothing
happened just like my old player.

I'm beginning to think it's something else that is
preventing the player from working because the new player
should work but its doing exactly what the old player did.

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


Is that SATA port enabled in the BIOS?


JT


That's a good place to start.

The OP has two computers, and he could do an
optical drive swap on the working machine, in order
to do some read tests on the new optical drive.

When drives have two lasers, and one laser fails,
then testing with CD media, then DVD media, helps
figure out if it's just one kind of media that
cannot be read. I might try a CD Audio, then
a DVD movie, and see if they're readable.

Whereas if all ability to read is lost at once, that
could just as easily be a missing driver, drive disabled
in Device Manager, a port that's disabled in the BIOS,
power connector fell off - any item that would be a
single-point-of-failure. If the power cable falls off,
of course the tray won't open on a desktop (motorized)
drive.

Paul
 




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