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  #61  
Old September 2nd 19, 07:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default The crazy cursor update

RHB wrote:

"Rabid Robot" wrote in message
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On 2019-09-01 10:46 p.m., RHB wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Char Jackson"
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 12:43 AM
Subject: The crazy cursor update

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 00:28:22 -0400, "RHB" wrote:

I think I'll download linux on this machine and try and install
it on the sick one.

As others have pointed out, you don't need to install Linux, you just
need to boot Linux.

How is Linux "booted" on a machine that runs windows? That LT has a DVD
drive but when I put the DVD with Linux on it, there was no way to run
it.


Instead of loading an operating system from the hard disk as it does
with Windows, the computer loads the operating system installed on a
DVD. If your computer isn't loading Linux from the DVD, I reckon that it
wasn't installed onto the disc properly (burn the ISO onto the disc
rather than copy the file onto it) or the BIOS wasn't configured to load
from the CD/DVD drive first.


The same DVD worked on another laptop I finally gave away. The HD was dead.
But that one wasn't W-10 if that makes a difference.


Most likely, it (the Linux DVD) worked on the other laptop, *because*
its HD was dead. I.e. the laptop *could not* boot from the HD, so - as
the next choice in the boot menu -, it booted from the DVD.

See how you can learn from combining different pieces of information
and how it can help to troubleshoot your problem(s)?

If that's too difficult, others have also pointed out that you can boot
into the BIOS setup screens and let it sit there, cooking, to see if
similar issues crop up. The whole idea behind these things is to take
your current Windows installation out of the picture long enough to see
whether the problem exists outside of Windows.


I had it sitting for hours last night in the BIOS screens. But with no
cursor to go crazy, no touch screen and pad to die - I learned nothing. It
just sat there.


You learned nothing, because you're not looking for information to
help your troubleshooting.

What you *should* have learned is that at least the (internal)
keyboard works in this *other/non-Windows environment*.

What you *should* have *done* is check if the touchscreen and touchpad
(and USB mouse? and USB keyboard?) *work* in this other/non-Windows
environment. I.e. saying "no touch screen and pad to die" does not say
whether or not they *work* (in this other/non-Windows environment).

And re-asking our questions which have never been answered:

Do you have and external USB mouse or/and USB keyboard? If so, have
you tried them? If so, what were the results and have you tried to
disable the touchscreen/touchpad/internal-keyboard? And ... ad
infinitum.

These things have been suggested several times already. I'll see
if I can locate those posts.

Thanks. I'll see if I can Google how that is done.


Ideally, you'd have someone in your immediate vicinity show you how to
do it. Once you see it and get a proper, direct explanation for it, it
becomes something of child's play. Unfortunately, written directions
such as these don't always translate because they don't factor in the
current context of what you're experiencing.


I agree.

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  #62  
Old September 2nd 19, 08:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default The crazy cursor update

RHB wrote:

There was a message that said
without being an Admisistrator I couldn't make any changes. So I guess any
changes on those BIOS screens are hidden from my view. I despise W-10.


Sounds like a previous owner of the machine has set a BIOS password, and
you can't change the boot order without knowing that, it's nothing to do
with Win10 at that point.
  #63  
Old September 2nd 19, 08:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rabid Robot
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Default The crazy cursor update

On 2019-09-02 3:32 p.m., Andy Burns wrote:
RHB wrote:

There was a message that said
without being an Admisistrator I couldn't make any changes. So I guess
any
changes on those BIOS screens are hidden from my view.* I despise W-10.


Sounds like a previous owner of the machine has set a BIOS password, and
you can't change the boot order without knowing that, it's nothing to do
with Win10 at that point.


He said that he had stared at the BIOS options for hours without
anything happening and there was no cursor. It's possible that he got in
there (and therefore that there is no password) or that he saw the
Windows recovery options and thought that that was the BIOS.

Either way, helping the guy is difficult because he's not helping
himself even slightly. I'd suggest that he take pictures and send them
to us from this point on rather than narrate what he remembers about
what happened.
  #64  
Old September 2nd 19, 09:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default The crazy cursor update

Rabid Robot wrote:

helping the guy is difficult because he's not helping
himself even slightly.


I tend to agree, I suspect people are on the brink of losing interest in
helping.

I'd suggest that he take pictures and send them
to us from this point on rather than narrate what he remembers about
what happened.


But don't try to post pictures to usenet, upload them to a sharing site
and include a link here ...
  #65  
Old September 3rd 19, 09:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default The crazy cursor update

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:01:57 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Rabid Robot wrote:

helping the guy is difficult because he's not helping
himself even slightly.


I tend to agree, I suspect people are on the brink of losing interest in
helping.

I'd suggest that he take pictures and send them
to us from this point on rather than narrate what he remembers about
what happened.


But don't try to post pictures to usenet, upload them to a sharing site
and include a link here ...


When possible, my first preference would be for people to post their
images to Usenet rather than a web hosting site. Use a dump group such
as alt.binaries.test, then include the MID here. That used to be the
norm, but sadly old norms tend to give way to new norms.

  #66  
Old September 3rd 19, 09:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Char Jackson wrote:

When possible, my first preference would be for people to post their
images to Usenet rather than a web hosting site. Use a dump group such
as alt.binaries.test, then include the MID here.


Not so easy for any of us whose provider no longer carries binary groups.

  #67  
Old September 3rd 19, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rabid Robot
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On 2019-09-03 4:46 p.m., Andy Burns wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:

When possible, my first preference would be for people to post their
images to Usenet rather than a web hosting site. Use a dump group such
as alt.binaries.test, then include the MID here.


Not so easy for any of us whose provider no longer carries binary groups.


I think that most Usenet providers no longer carry binary groups. For
those, you have to pay for a subscription. I have to agree that it's
best to simply post a link to an image hosting site either way since
those are likely to actually be seen.

  #68  
Old September 17th 19, 03:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?

Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?
  #69  
Old September 17th 19, 03:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jeff-Relf.Me @.
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Default Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?

RHB replied ( to me ):
Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?


No. Would that help show if it's a hardware problem?


I don't know, I can't know, please tell me.

I have the BIOS window open as someone suggested
but with no cursor there I can't see how I'll know
if the cursor goes crazy.


You can't mouse ? You must have an old machine.
  #70  
Old September 18th 19, 01:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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[email protected] wrote:

Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?


I didn't make the mistake of buying one in the first place ...



It's getting harder to find them without the touch screen.


  #71  
Old September 18th 19, 01:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
RHB[_5_]
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote in message
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Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?


AFAIK, he did not disable *any* of the problem devices, I told him to
disable one-by-one.

He's not very good in following advice/instructions, nor at *studying*
the errors, information, etc. and he's quite defensive in his responses.
All in all not very helpful in getting *his* problems solved.

Also still open: Did he get into the BIOS or not? If so, did the
problem devices fail there as well?


I did disable the touchscreen and that cured the problem. With no mouse in
the BIOS and no working keyboard there was nothing to choose anything with.


  #72  
Old September 18th 19, 06:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?

On 9/17/19 7:04 PM, RHB wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
[email protected] wrote:

Have you tried disabling the touchscreen ?


I didn't make the mistake of buying one in the first place ...



It's getting harder to find them without the touch screen.


I bought a laptop a couple of months ago (Lenovo T480s) and it came
without a touchscreen. It does have a lighted keyboard and a NVMe disk.

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