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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With MarkShuttleworth
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:35:01 -0400, Paul vomited this verbiage that I
considered to be worthy of my attention for one of a variety of possible reasons: There is NVENC and NVDEC. If you attempted to build FFMPEG from source, you'd have noticed this. NVENC/NVDEC are not codecs. They are simply the hardware implementations of certain codecs. Which codecs they implement depends on the particular Nvidia chip. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/2019 7:04 AM, Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-12 8:15 p.m., nospam wrote: In article , Rabid Rogue wrote: Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video interviews. That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript. What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video? Too bad for you. That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't pre-installed. no it definitely does not. This is a clear lie on your part and I imagine that it comes from your general and habitual ignorance. Install Linux Mint and it will play everything; install something like Trisquel which is fully free and it might not play everything, but it will install free codecs that will. If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to install the codec which WILL play it. so much for more video formats, and that's the same for other oses. Windows 10 will not play h.265 out of the box unless you _purchase_ the codec but I imagine you didn't know that. You can download VLC and get the same functionality but that applies to Linux as well. Even without VLC though, the bundled video players like Dragon or Totem will automatically download the codecs whereas something like Movies & TV or Windows Media Player will only play sound and fart when it comes to playing the video. That may depend on what country you are in. In the U.S. I've tried various distros and Dragon and Totem won't download what you need. On the other hand, OpenSuse has a one-click install of VLC and it does download the libs and codecs. Of course OpenSuse is out of Germany so it may well do it properly. The U.S. versions of video players have the same problem... due to some kind of rights. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/2019 7:23 AM, Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-12 11:19 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote: On 9/12/2019 6:13 PM, Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 5:31 p.m., Charlie Tuna wrote: In article , lid says... Wingnut wrote: Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video interviews. That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript. What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video? Too bad for you. That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't pre-installed. If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to install the codec which WILL play it. I've ran into that particular situation, and it never did say what was wrong or where to get the necessary libs or codecs. OpenSuse has a one-click install of VLC that does work. I used OpenSuse a few times and I believe that, out of the box, it only includes software which is certified to be free. Even though most codecs now have free versions which work quite well, it's quite possible that OpenSuse, for some reason, doesn't make them available to the user unless they add a repository here and there. It's not my favorite distribution to say the least. I suppose not. But just a little digging around on the net and I did find the one-click-install fairly fast... which did work. Must be that the digital rights thing is the road block for those in the U.S. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:50:30 -0600, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/13/2019 7:23 AM, Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 11:19 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote: On 9/12/2019 6:13 PM, Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 5:31 p.m., Charlie Tuna wrote: In article , lid says... Wingnut wrote: Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video interviews. That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript. What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video? Too bad for you. That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't pre-installed. If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to install the codec which WILL play it. I've ran into that particular situation, and it never did say what was wrong or where to get the necessary libs or codecs. OpenSuse has a one-click install of VLC that does work. I used OpenSuse a few times and I believe that, out of the box, it only includes software which is certified to be free. Even though most codecs now have free versions which work quite well, it's quite possible that OpenSuse, for some reason, doesn't make them available to the user unless they add a repository here and there. It's not my favorite distribution to say the least. I suppose not. But just a little digging around on the net and I did find the one-click-install fairly fast... which did work. Must be that the digital rights thing is the road block for those in the U.S. SuSE used to have a checkbox that you could tick and it would install all the "extra stuff", like Nvidia drivers, CODECS and so forth. It's been years since I have used Linux so things might have changed. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 2019-09-13 7:45 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 9/13/2019 7:04 AM, Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 8:15 p.m., nospam wrote: In article , Rabid Rogue wrote: Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video interviews. That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript. What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video? Too bad for you. That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't pre-installed. no it definitely does not. This is a clear lie on your part and I imagine that it comes from your general and habitual ignorance. Install Linux Mint and it will play everything; install something like Trisquel which is fully free and it might not play everything, but it will install free codecs that will. If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to install the codec which WILL play it. so much for more video formats, and that's the same for other oses. Windows 10 will not play h.265 out of the box unless you _purchase_ the codec but I imagine you didn't know that. You can download VLC and get the same functionality but that applies to Linux as well. Even without VLC though, the bundled video players like Dragon or Totem will automatically download the codecs whereas something like Movies & TV or Windows Media Player will only play sound and fart when it comes to playing the video. That may depend on what country you are in. In the U.S. I've tried various distros and Dragon and Totem won't download what you need. On the other hand, OpenSuse has a one-click install of VLC and it does download the libs and codecs.Â* Of course OpenSuse is out of Germany so it may well do it properly.Â* The U.S. versions of video players have the same problem... due to some kind of rights. I doubt that anyone who installs Linux on their own actually care that they might be breaking the law by installing an MP3 codec. To be honest, I don't think Ubuntu should even offer that warning anymore considering support for those codecs is no longer external but included in ffmpeg like I mentioned. -- Your friendly neighborhood Rabid Rogue |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
Rabid Rogue wrote:
On 2019-09-13 7:45 p.m., AnonLinuxUser wrote: On 9/13/2019 7:04 AM, Rabid Rogue wrote: On 2019-09-12 8:15 p.m., nospam wrote: In article , Rabid Rogue wrote: Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video interviews. That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript. What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video? Too bad for you. That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't pre-installed. no it definitely does not. This is a clear lie on your part and I imagine that it comes from your general and habitual ignorance. Install Linux Mint and it will play everything; install something like Trisquel which is fully free and it might not play everything, but it will install free codecs that will. If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to install the codec which WILL play it. so much for more video formats, and that's the same for other oses. Windows 10 will not play h.265 out of the box unless you _purchase_ the codec but I imagine you didn't know that. You can download VLC and get the same functionality but that applies to Linux as well. Even without VLC though, the bundled video players like Dragon or Totem will automatically download the codecs whereas something like Movies & TV or Windows Media Player will only play sound and fart when it comes to playing the video. That may depend on what country you are in. In the U.S. I've tried various distros and Dragon and Totem won't download what you need. On the other hand, OpenSuse has a one-click install of VLC and it does download the libs and codecs. Of course OpenSuse is out of Germany so it may well do it properly. The U.S. versions of video players have the same problem... due to some kind of rights. I doubt that anyone who installs Linux on their own actually care that they might be breaking the law by installing an MP3 codec. To be honest, I don't think Ubuntu should even offer that warning anymore considering support for those codecs is no longer external but included in ffmpeg like I mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Li...nd_legislation "became patent-free in the United States on 16 April 2017" "As a result, many free and open-source software projects, such as the Fedora operating system, have decided to start shipping MP3 support by default, and users will no longer have to resort to installing unofficial packages maintained by third party software repositories for MP3 playback or encoding." Paul |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/12/19 12:36 PM, Mr. Hand wrote:
Maybe the solution is for someone like Red Hat to get behind Wine and make Wine work right for all Windows programs. But that maybe bad too as programmers would never port to Linux. Personally I feel that if an application is a must have, like PhotoShop, Quicken etc then the user should probably have chosen the platform first based upon that. And that is almost always what happens 99% of the time with my customers, which is why they are on Windows. I love it when a Mac customer brags that he is Microsoft free and shows me Parallels running Windows. Uhhh. Microsoft got paid twice: once for Parallels and once for Windows. And your are certainly not M$ free by any definition. I also find it annoying when a customer tells me he is run Mac and I take an hour look up how to do what he wants on a Mac, then get there and he fires up his Mac and it is running Windows. For some reason they think that is M$ free too. Annoying. As for wine, I have never been much of a wine fan, except a fine Chianti. Linux development should stay focused on developing Linux applications. IBM screwed the pooch trying to support Windows within OS/2. Not exactly the same, but similar. I know many will disagree, and that's alright. I agree. I think the solution is to pick out those deal killer apps and somehow coax them to support Linux. Quick Books won't even support Libre Office Calc spreadsheets. Its Excel or die. Or come up with substitutes that are so, so much better that folks can't do without them. So far, GnuCash as an example, subs are only somewhat interchangeable. Nowhere near enough. (Gnu Cash does not support inventor or payroll.) Libreoffice is another example. Almost there but not quite. I can't get folks to use it because it is just plane awkward. Oh ya, good luck trying to mixing Landscape (as the first page) and portrait pages together. You can do it, but it takes a rocket scientist to do it. (I bitched. They "may" be doing something about it, but it is like pulling teeth.) The subs just have to be better and a lot better at that. So far, not so much. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/12/19 11:47 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:14 AM, T wrote: On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: T wrote: (snip) What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier? Here's my response. Your response is an eMail address? He is saying people have no need for such amazingly specialized programs as basic tax or personal accounting programs. Every small business I come across used Quick Books. It is not specialized. It is common. This is why I can't put a single business on Linux Desktops. Server are another matter. Linux just does not run enough "common" software. And it is a far better OS too. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/12/19 11:50 AM, Snit wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: T wrote: (snip) What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier? Here's my response. In short: you think for people who have amazingly simple needs, not even using things as common and basic as tax and personal finance apps, or other common programs, Linux is a fine choice. That is you damning with faint praise. Folk with these simple need might as well get a tablet. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/19 7:11 PM, T wrote:
On 9/12/19 11:50 AM, Snit wrote: On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: T wrote: (snip) What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier? Here's my response. In short: you think for people who have amazingly simple needs, not even using things as common and basic as tax and personal finance apps, or other common programs, Linux is a fine choice. That is you damning with faint praise. Folk with these simple need might as well get a tablet. True enough. I have not worked much with the newer ones, but many are pretty damned powerful. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/19 7:07 PM, T wrote:
On 9/12/19 11:47 AM, Snit wrote: On 9/12/19 10:14 AM, T wrote: On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: T wrote: (snip) What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier? Here's my response. Your response is an eMail address? He is saying people have no need for such amazingly specialized programs as basic tax or personal accounting programs. Every small business I come across used Quick Books. It is not specialized.Â* It is common.Â* This is why I can't put a single business on Linux Desktops. Server are another matter. I used to work for Intuit supporting Quicken and TurboTax (or training those who did). Yes, they and QuickBooks are very common. Linux just does not run enough "common" software. And it is a far better OS too. It has its pros and cons. For my main desktop I prefer macOS, but there are many places where Linux is a great choice. No argument here. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/19 7:22 PM, Snit wrote:
On 9/13/19 7:11 PM, T wrote: On 9/12/19 11:50 AM, Snit wrote: On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote: T wrote: (snip) What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier? Here's my response. In short: you think for people who have amazingly simple needs, not even using things as common and basic as tax and personal finance apps, or other common programs, Linux is a fine choice. That is you damning with faint praise. Folk with these simple need might as well get a tablet. True enough. I have not worked much with the newer ones, but many are pretty damned powerful. They have the reputation of being "toy" computers, but they have come into their own right. They are perfect for the eMail and surf only customers. I have a customer that got a bunch of free ones for signing up for a particular cell phone service. He finally let me look up for him a decent Samsung (fastest I could find). Now they are happy again. Chuckle, you get what you pay for. I wish we could come up with a decent tablet running Fedora, it would cut to zero all the spying. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/19 7:24 PM, Snit wrote:
I used to work for Intuit supporting Quicken and TurboTax (or training those who did). Yes, they and QuickBooks are very common. I used to work for Intuit supporting Quicken and TurboTax (or training those who did). Yes, they and QuickBooks are very common. OH DUDE!!! It has its pros and cons. For my main desktop I prefer macOS, but there areÂ*manyÂ*placesÂ*whereÂ*LinuxÂ*isÂ*aÂ*greatÂ*cho ice.Â*NoÂ*argumentÂ*here. Either one kicks Windows ass. But without the programs "here is a quarter, go tell it to someone that cares". Mac has a version of Quick Books, but it is bug riddled to death. |
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Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth
On 9/13/19 8:17 PM, T wrote:
On 9/13/19 7:24 PM, Snit wrote: I used to work for Intuit supporting Quicken and TurboTax (or training those who did). Yes, they and QuickBooks are very common. I used to work for Intuit supporting Quicken and TurboTax (or training those who did). Yes, they and QuickBooks are very common. OH DUDE!!! It has its pros and cons. For my main desktop I prefer macOS, but there areÂ*manyÂ*placesÂ*whereÂ*LinuxÂ*isÂ*aÂ*greatÂ*cho ice.Â*NoÂ*argumentÂ*here. Either one kicks Windows ass.Â* But without the programs "here is a quarter, go tell it to someone that cares".Â* Mac has a version of Quick Books, but it is bug riddled to death. I never did much with QuickBooks, but I do know the Mac and Windows versions of Quicken were very different. The Windows version had a lot more features but also a very flaky data file that was insanely hard to deal with when it went belly up. And it did that a lot. Now that was back in 2000 and before... so things could have changed a lot since then. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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