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Send, from AIOE not wrking
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene |
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote
| Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal | -September installed also. I got something similar last week. E-S was not connecting so I switched to AIOE. AIOE was fine for awhile but then suddenly refused to post. I didn't think to jot down the error, but I do remember it wasn't something I had seen before. So I returned to ES. That now seems to be working OK again. Frustrating, but they're both free, so I'm grateful that at least one will normally work. I have no idea what either problem was about. |
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On 02/10/2018 1:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote | Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal | -September installed also. I got something similar last week. E-S was not connecting so I switched to AIOE. AIOE was fine for awhile but then suddenly refused to post. I didn't think to jot down the error, but I do remember it wasn't something I had seen before. So I returned to ES. That now seems to be working OK again. Frustrating, but they're both free, so I'm grateful that at least one will normally work. I have no idea what either problem was about. Yes, as long as one works I be happy, just a curious thing always NNTP errors, may not even be the programs fault, I can live with it, The price is right. :-) Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Zim zim a la bim, the spirits are about to speak. What? Huh? Hmm, the spirits are too faint. I can't hear what they said was the NNTP client you are using. Need a new battery for my crystal ball but those take 6 months to deliver. Tried using my magic telescope that can see around the Earth's curvature but you had your curtains drawn. Windows 10 nor any version of Windows does NNTP. A client program does NNTP but you failed to mention which one you are using. You never mentioned what "it" is that you reinstalled. What "it" is for your NNTP client, uninstalling may not delete its user profile folder so you ended up using the same profile when you did a reinstall of "it". Yes, I looked at the headers of your post to see you used Thunderbird this time to post here. That does not mandate the "it" client with which you are having problems is the the Thunderbird you used here. For a community focused on Thunderbird, they are over at ---. ..-------------------------------------------------------' '--- mozilla.support.thunderbird (on news.mozilla.org, port 119) Doesn't Thunderbird let you select through which NNTP provider to submit an article? Or let you pick a default one? While I can have multiple Usenet providers specified in accounts defined within my NNTP client, it will still have to pick *one* to which it submits an article. That you get errors on submit to AIOE sounds like AIOE is having their own problems. When you submit to Eternal-September, that works so ES is up but AIOE is down or flaky. news.eternal-september.org is hosted at Strato AG, Germany. It's a data center where ES contracts hosting services. When there are problems, Ray Banana (aka Wolfgang Weyand) has to contact them to correct problems with their services. news.aioe.org (217.112.35.97 whose rDNS is v88-u.valuehost.ru -- .ru is the TLD for Russian Federation) is hosted at Ultransit who has servers in Russia but whose domain registrant is located in London. That's where his service originates now. He's moved around a bit starting with a PC in his gramma's basement over a personal-use account with his ISP. Quite often when contracting hosting services, the hoster does not monitor any particular service. So AIOE could remain down or flaky until Paolo Amoroso (Italy) gets notified (have you informed him?) and gets Ultransit to correct the problem. Paolo employs several anti-abuse rules along with many non-standard rules on use of his service. He has some documented at his web site but not all his rules are delineated there (news.aioe.org). Some rules you have to find out through trial and error. For example, there are some newsgroups that he does not permit in cross-posting. He does (or he used to) have a quota limit on the maximum number of articles you can submit each day which he must enforce based on IP address of the client ("server keeps the sender's IP address for each locally posted article") since he operates a non-registered service. No accounts means no way to enforce quota by account status. The vast majority of users have dynamic IP addresses so filtering and quota enforcement by IP address is flaky. As I recall, his limit was 25 submissions per day. I don't know if he counted cross-postings as multiple submissions (despite only 1 copy of the article will appear in the Articles database) as he has some oddball rules. He used to list some of his rules or quotas. Not any more. His choice of hiding his restrictions does not mean he forego those restrictions. You never mentioned what were the error messages to know if there was a problem in your unidentified NNTP client, with Paolo's contracted service at Ultransit, or you hit some [now undocumented] goofball or limiting rule in Paolo's service. |
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On 02/10/2018 1:44 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Zim zim a la bim, the spirits are about to speak. What? Huh? Hmm, the spirits are too faint. I can't hear what they said was the NNTP client you are using. Need a new battery for my crystal ball but those take 6 months to deliver. Tried using my magic telescope that can see around the Earth's curvature but you had your curtains drawn. Windows 10 nor any version of Windows does NNTP. A client program does NNTP but you failed to mention which one you are using. You never mentioned what "it" is that you reinstalled. What "it" is for your NNTP client, uninstalling may not delete its user profile folder so you ended up using the same profile when you did a reinstall of "it". Yes, I looked at the headers of your post to see you used Thunderbird this time to post here. That does not mandate the "it" client with which you are having problems is the the Thunderbird you used here. For a community focused on Thunderbird, they are over at ---. .-------------------------------------------------------' '--- mozilla.support.thunderbird (on news.mozilla.org, port 119) Doesn't Thunderbird let you select through which NNTP provider to submit an article? Or let you pick a default one? While I can have multiple Usenet providers specified in accounts defined within my NNTP client, it will still have to pick *one* to which it submits an article. That you get errors on submit to AIOE sounds like AIOE is having their own problems. When you submit to Eternal-September, that works so ES is up but AIOE is down or flaky. news.eternal-september.org is hosted at Strato AG, Germany. It's a data center where ES contracts hosting services. When there are problems, Ray Banana (aka Wolfgang Weyand) has to contact them to correct problems with their services. news.aioe.org (217.112.35.97 whose rDNS is v88-u.valuehost.ru -- .ru is the TLD for Russian Federation) is hosted at Ultransit who has servers in Russia but whose domain registrant is located in London. That's where his service originates now. He's moved around a bit starting with a PC in his gramma's basement over a personal-use account with his ISP. Quite often when contracting hosting services, the hoster does not monitor any particular service. So AIOE could remain down or flaky until Paolo Amoroso (Italy) gets notified (have you informed him?) and gets Ultransit to correct the problem. Paolo employs several anti-abuse rules along with many non-standard rules on use of his service. He has some documented at his web site but not all his rules are delineated there (news.aioe.org). Some rules you have to find out through trial and error. For example, there are some newsgroups that he does not permit in cross-posting. He does (or he used to) have a quota limit on the maximum number of articles you can submit each day which he must enforce based on IP address of the client ("server keeps the sender's IP address for each locally posted article") since he operates a non-registered service. No accounts means no way to enforce quota by account status. The vast majority of users have dynamic IP addresses so filtering and quota enforcement by IP address is flaky. As I recall, his limit was 25 submissions per day. I don't know if he counted cross-postings as multiple submissions (despite only 1 copy of the article will appear in the Articles database) as he has some oddball rules. He used to list some of his rules or quotas. Not any more. His choice of hiding his restrictions does not mean he forego those restrictions. You never mentioned what were the error messages to know if there was a problem in your unidentified NNTP client, with Paolo's contracted service at Ultransit, or you hit some [now undocumented] goofball or limiting rule in Paolo's service. Thanks for the explanation, good reading. This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance. To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional post? :-) Rene |
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On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Thanks for the explanation, good reading. This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance. To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional post? :-) individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small money. |
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On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt -- dale - http://www.dalekelly.org/ Not a professional opinion unless specified. |
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On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote:
On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Thanks for the explanation, good reading. This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance. To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional post? :-) individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small money. Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my registration application 5 minutes ago. Rene |
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dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt The most likely storage location is here. It claims the encryption key is in keyx.db file. But the actual password entries are in a text file. The descriptive text is readable, but the username and password are not in plaintext. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signons.txt Try to find an article that recommends just deleting that file, as otherwise the above article claims everything you need is in the GUI ??? Paul |
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On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt Yes I had the same problem. In account settings eternal-September than click on server settings then check the box labeled " always request authentication when connecting to this server" this should make your login dialog appear. Rene |
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On 2/10/2018 8:15 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote: On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt Yes I had the same problem. InÂ* account settingsÂ* eternal-September than click on server settings then check the box labeled " always request authentication when connecting to this server" this should make your login dialog appear. Rene Work great! Thanks much! -- dale - http://www.dalekelly.org/ Not a professional opinion unless specified. |
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On 2/10/2018 8:14 PM, Paul wrote:
dale wrote: On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt The most likely storage location is here. It claims the encryption key is in keyx.db file. But the actual password entries are in a text file. The descriptive text is readable, but the username and password are not in plaintext. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signons.txt Try to find an article that recommends just deleting that file, as otherwise the above article claims everything you need is in the GUI ??? Â*Â* Paul see Rene's reply, worked real quick, thanks much though -- dale - http://www.dalekelly.org/ Not a professional opinion unless specified. |
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On 02/10/2018 8:31 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 8:15 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote: On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal -September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any ideas? Rene sort of related ... just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the username and password ideas? refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt Yes I had the same problem. InÂ* account settingsÂ* eternal-September than click on server settings then check the box labeled " always request authentication when connecting to this server" this should make your login dialog appear. Rene Work great! Thanks much! Most welcome. :-) Rene |
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On 02/10/2018 6:34 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote: On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Thanks for the explanation, good reading. This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance. To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional post? :-) individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small money. Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my registration application 5 minutes ago. Rene OK got it set up and running, At least they supply you with good info to set up, I've done this so many times this one is a 3 minute job. Took the 2 week trial just to be sure but will buy it in a week, Price Canadian $15.00, hardly worth mentioning. Rene Rene |
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On 02/10/2018 8:45 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 6:34 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote: On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Thanks for the explanation, good reading. This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance. To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional post? :-) individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small money. Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my registration application 5 minutes ago. Rene OK got it set up and running, At least they supply you with good info to set up, I've done this so many times this one is a 3 minute job. Took the 2 week trial just to be sure but will buy it in a week, Price Canadian $15.00, hardly worth mentioning. Rene Decided to purchase it this morning So paid up and now have the full posting feature. I deleted both AOIE and Eternal-September Question. I have a whole basket of those 2 accounts files in my profile folder, Should I delete all these useless files to prevent future problems if I ever had to install one of them again as backup? Rene |
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