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Old February 10th 18, 06:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Send, from AIOE not wrking

Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred
error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene

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Old February 10th 18, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote
| Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
| -September installed also.

I got something similar last week. E-S was not connecting
so I switched to AIOE. AIOE was fine for awhile but then
suddenly refused to post. I didn't think to jot down the error,
but I do remember it wasn't something I had seen before.
So I returned to ES. That now seems to be working OK again.

Frustrating, but they're both free, so I'm grateful that at
least one will normally work. I have no idea what either
problem was about.


  #3  
Old February 10th 18, 08:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 02/10/2018 1:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote
| Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
| -September installed also.

I got something similar last week. E-S was not connecting
so I switched to AIOE. AIOE was fine for awhile but then
suddenly refused to post. I didn't think to jot down the error,
but I do remember it wasn't something I had seen before.
So I returned to ES. That now seems to be working OK again.

Frustrating, but they're both free, so I'm grateful that at
least one will normally work. I have no idea what either
problem was about.



Yes, as long as one works I be happy, just a curious thing always NNTP
errors, may not even be the programs fault, I can live with it, The
price is right. :-)

Rene

  #4  
Old February 10th 18, 08:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I
get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I
reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work
even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any
ideas?


Zim zim a la bim, the spirits are about to speak. What? Huh? Hmm, the
spirits are too faint. I can't hear what they said was the NNTP client
you are using. Need a new battery for my crystal ball but those take 6
months to deliver. Tried using my magic telescope that can see around
the Earth's curvature but you had your curtains drawn.

Windows 10 nor any version of Windows does NNTP. A client program does
NNTP but you failed to mention which one you are using. You never
mentioned what "it" is that you reinstalled. What "it" is for your NNTP
client, uninstalling may not delete its user profile folder so you ended
up using the same profile when you did a reinstall of "it".

Yes, I looked at the headers of your post to see you used Thunderbird
this time to post here. That does not mandate the "it" client with
which you are having problems is the the Thunderbird you used here. For
a community focused on Thunderbird, they are over at ---.
..-------------------------------------------------------'
'--- mozilla.support.thunderbird
(on news.mozilla.org, port 119)

Doesn't Thunderbird let you select through which NNTP provider to submit
an article? Or let you pick a default one? While I can have multiple
Usenet providers specified in accounts defined within my NNTP client, it
will still have to pick *one* to which it submits an article. That you
get errors on submit to AIOE sounds like AIOE is having their own
problems. When you submit to Eternal-September, that works so ES is up
but AIOE is down or flaky.

news.eternal-september.org is hosted at Strato AG, Germany. It's a data
center where ES contracts hosting services. When there are problems,
Ray Banana (aka Wolfgang Weyand) has to contact them to correct problems
with their services.

news.aioe.org (217.112.35.97 whose rDNS is v88-u.valuehost.ru -- .ru is
the TLD for Russian Federation) is hosted at Ultransit who has servers
in Russia but whose domain registrant is located in London. That's
where his service originates now. He's moved around a bit starting with
a PC in his gramma's basement over a personal-use account with his ISP.
Quite often when contracting hosting services, the hoster does not
monitor any particular service. So AIOE could remain down or flaky
until Paolo Amoroso (Italy) gets notified (have you informed him?) and
gets Ultransit to correct the problem.

Paolo employs several anti-abuse rules along with many non-standard
rules on use of his service. He has some documented at his web site but
not all his rules are delineated there (news.aioe.org). Some rules you
have to find out through trial and error. For example, there are some
newsgroups that he does not permit in cross-posting. He does (or he
used to) have a quota limit on the maximum number of articles you can
submit each day which he must enforce based on IP address of the client
("server keeps the sender's IP address for each locally posted article")
since he operates a non-registered service. No accounts means no way to
enforce quota by account status. The vast majority of users have
dynamic IP addresses so filtering and quota enforcement by IP address is
flaky. As I recall, his limit was 25 submissions per day. I don't know
if he counted cross-postings as multiple submissions (despite only 1
copy of the article will appear in the Articles database) as he has some
oddball rules. He used to list some of his rules or quotas. Not any
more. His choice of hiding his restrictions does not mean he forego
those restrictions. You never mentioned what were the error messages to
know if there was a problem in your unidentified NNTP client, with
Paolo's contracted service at Ultransit, or you hit some [now
undocumented] goofball or limiting rule in Paolo's service.
  #5  
Old February 10th 18, 09:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 02/10/2018 1:44 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also. If I delete the Internal-september Acct I
get that NNTP Error occurred error with any number of reasons. So I
reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it work
even though I am not using it. Its now working but strangely, Any
ideas?


Zim zim a la bim, the spirits are about to speak. What? Huh? Hmm, the
spirits are too faint. I can't hear what they said was the NNTP client
you are using. Need a new battery for my crystal ball but those take 6
months to deliver. Tried using my magic telescope that can see around
the Earth's curvature but you had your curtains drawn.

Windows 10 nor any version of Windows does NNTP. A client program does
NNTP but you failed to mention which one you are using. You never
mentioned what "it" is that you reinstalled. What "it" is for your NNTP
client, uninstalling may not delete its user profile folder so you ended
up using the same profile when you did a reinstall of "it".

Yes, I looked at the headers of your post to see you used Thunderbird
this time to post here. That does not mandate the "it" client with
which you are having problems is the the Thunderbird you used here. For
a community focused on Thunderbird, they are over at ---.
.-------------------------------------------------------'
'--- mozilla.support.thunderbird
(on news.mozilla.org, port 119)

Doesn't Thunderbird let you select through which NNTP provider to submit
an article? Or let you pick a default one? While I can have multiple
Usenet providers specified in accounts defined within my NNTP client, it
will still have to pick *one* to which it submits an article. That you
get errors on submit to AIOE sounds like AIOE is having their own
problems. When you submit to Eternal-September, that works so ES is up
but AIOE is down or flaky.

news.eternal-september.org is hosted at Strato AG, Germany. It's a data
center where ES contracts hosting services. When there are problems,
Ray Banana (aka Wolfgang Weyand) has to contact them to correct problems
with their services.

news.aioe.org (217.112.35.97 whose rDNS is v88-u.valuehost.ru -- .ru is
the TLD for Russian Federation) is hosted at Ultransit who has servers
in Russia but whose domain registrant is located in London. That's
where his service originates now. He's moved around a bit starting with
a PC in his gramma's basement over a personal-use account with his ISP.
Quite often when contracting hosting services, the hoster does not
monitor any particular service. So AIOE could remain down or flaky
until Paolo Amoroso (Italy) gets notified (have you informed him?) and
gets Ultransit to correct the problem.

Paolo employs several anti-abuse rules along with many non-standard
rules on use of his service. He has some documented at his web site but
not all his rules are delineated there (news.aioe.org). Some rules you
have to find out through trial and error. For example, there are some
newsgroups that he does not permit in cross-posting. He does (or he
used to) have a quota limit on the maximum number of articles you can
submit each day which he must enforce based on IP address of the client
("server keeps the sender's IP address for each locally posted article")
since he operates a non-registered service. No accounts means no way to
enforce quota by account status. The vast majority of users have
dynamic IP addresses so filtering and quota enforcement by IP address is
flaky. As I recall, his limit was 25 submissions per day. I don't know
if he counted cross-postings as multiple submissions (despite only 1
copy of the article will appear in the Articles database) as he has some
oddball rules. He used to list some of his rules or quotas. Not any
more. His choice of hiding his restrictions does not mean he forego
those restrictions. You never mentioned what were the error messages to
know if there was a problem in your unidentified NNTP client, with
Paolo's contracted service at Ultransit, or you hit some [now
undocumented] goofball or limiting rule in Paolo's service.


Thanks for the explanation, good reading.
This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance.
To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I could
be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the occasional
post? :-)

Rene







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Old February 10th 18, 11:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Thanks for the explanation, good reading.
This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance.
To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I
could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the
occasional post? :-)


individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year
and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small
money.
  #7  
Old February 11th 18, 01:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dale
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On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred
error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username
and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username
and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting
the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the
username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt

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Old February 11th 18, 01:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote:
On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Thanks for the explanation, good reading.
This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance.
To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I
could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the
occasional post? :-)


individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year
and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small
money.


Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my registration
application 5 minutes ago.

Rene

  #9  
Old February 11th 18, 02:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred
error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username
and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username
and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting
the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the
username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt


The most likely storage location is here. It claims the
encryption key is in keyx.db file. But the actual password
entries are in a text file. The descriptive text is readable,
but the username and password are not in plaintext.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signons.txt

Try to find an article that recommends just deleting
that file, as otherwise the above article claims everything
you need is in the GUI ???

Paul
  #10  
Old February 11th 18, 02:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Send, from AIOE not wrking

On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error occurred
error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my username
and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my username
and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them, tried deleting
the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't prompt me for the
username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt


Yes I had the same problem.
In account settings eternal-September than click on server settings
then check the box labeled " always request authentication when
connecting to this server"
this should make your login dialog appear.

Rene

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Old February 11th 18, 03:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dale
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On 2/10/2018 8:15 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error
occurred error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my
username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my
username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them,
tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't
prompt me for the username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt


Yes I had the same problem.
InÂ* account settingsÂ* eternal-September than click on server settings
then check the box labeled " always request authentication when
connecting to this server"
this should make your login dialog appear.

Rene



Work great! Thanks much!

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  #12  
Old February 11th 18, 03:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
dale
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On 2/10/2018 8:14 PM, Paul wrote:
dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error
occurred error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my
username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my
username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them,
tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't
prompt me for the username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt


The most likely storage location is here. It claims the
encryption key is in keyx.db file. But the actual password
entries are in a text file. The descriptive text is readable,
but the username and password are not in plaintext.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signons.txt

Try to find an article that recommends just deleting
that file, as otherwise the above article claims everything
you need is in the GUI ???

Â*Â* Paul


see Rene's reply, worked real quick, thanks much though

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Old February 11th 18, 03:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Send, from AIOE not wrking

On 02/10/2018 8:31 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 8:15 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 6:32 PM, dale wrote:
On 2/10/2018 12:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Last couple days SEND is not working from AIOE Unless I have Eternal
-September installed also.
If I delete the Internal-september Acct I get that NNTP Error
occurred error with any number of reasons.
So I reinstalled it and now have to change the*from* line to make it
work even though I am not using it.
Its now working but strangely, Any ideas?

Rene


sort of related ...

just reinstalled my newsreader, Thunderbird, added e-s with my
username and password, only shows e-s groups, I know this means my
username and/or password was incorrect, but no way to change them,
tried deleting the e-s account and adding it again but it doesn't
prompt me for the username and password

ideas?

refreshing groups list doesn't bring up the prompt


Yes I had the same problem.
InÂ* account settingsÂ* eternal-September than click on server settings
then check the box labeled " always request authentication when
connecting to this server"
this should make your login dialog appear.

Rene



Work great! Thanks much!



Most welcome. :-)

Rene

  #14  
Old February 11th 18, 03:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Send, from AIOE not wrking

On 02/10/2018 6:34 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote:
On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Thanks for the explanation, good reading.
This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance.
To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I
could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the
occasional post? :-)


individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year
and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small
money.


Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my registration
application 5 minutes ago.

Rene


OK got it set up and running, At least they supply you with good info to
set up, I've done this so many times this one is a 3 minute job.
Took the 2 week trial just to be sure but will buy it in a week, Price
Canadian $15.00, hardly worth mentioning.

Rene


Rene

  #15  
Old February 11th 18, 05:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Posts: 2,549
Default Send, from AIOE not wrking

On 02/10/2018 8:45 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 6:34 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/10/2018 4:35 PM, Nil wrote:
On 10 Feb 2018, Rene Lamontagne wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Thanks for the explanation, good reading.
This has happened a few times before so it is a nuisance.
To simplify my life at 83 is there another hassle free service I
could be using and just go on with my newsgroup browsing and the
occasional post? :-)

individual.net (https://news.individual.net/) is only 10 euros a year
and is entirely problem-free. I think it's totally worth the small
money.


Thanks VanguardLH and Nil, Sounds great, I have sent in my
registration application 5 minutes ago.

Rene


OK got it set up and running, At least they supply you with good info to
set up, I've done this so many times this one is a 3 minute job.
Took the 2 week trial just to be sure but will buy it in a week, Price
Canadian $15.00, hardly worth mentioning.

Rene



Decided to purchase it this morning So paid up and now have the full
posting feature.
I deleted both AOIE and Eternal-September
Question. I have a whole basket of those 2 accounts files in my profile
folder, Should I delete all these useless files to prevent future
problems if I ever had to install one of them again as backup?

Rene




 




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