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OT? Boot order
My Acer Aspire One netbook uses F2 to enter the BIOS and F12 to see the
Boot Order. F12 only shows two items, the hard drive and Atheros network boot. OTOH, F2 - Boot Order shows those two and USB hard drive, USB CD, and USB Floppy. The difference seems strange to me. ? And I've googled and wikied for Atheros network boot or boot agent, and can't find anything helpful. Is this a public service, so anyone who can't boot without it can do so with it? I doubt that so could someone give me a hint about what it does. (I have an external CD drive, and an external HD, that I coudl boot with but if I'm out of the house, it's a lot of effort to take one of those with me.) Thanks. |
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"micky" wrote in message ... My Acer Aspire One netbook uses F2 to enter the BIOS and F12 to see the Boot Order. F12 only shows two items, the hard drive and Atheros network boot. OTOH, F2 - Boot Order shows those two and USB hard drive, USB CD, and USB Floppy. The difference seems strange to me. ? And I've googled and wikied for Atheros network boot or boot agent, and can't find anything helpful. Is this a public service, so anyone who can't boot without it can do so with it? I doubt that so could someone give me a hint about what it does. (I have an external CD drive, and an external HD, that I coudl boot with but if I'm out of the house, it's a lot of effort to take one of those with me.) Thanks. Micky, Network boot can be used for imaging. Windows Deployment Service or WDS is a service that can run on a Windows Server (2003,2008,2012) that allows for deployment of Windows or other OS's from the WDS server. An ip address is assigned via dhcp upon network boot and the WDS menu is displayed. It is useful in installing an OS on a system that has no boot device (CD,DVD etc..) I use it extensively to install pre-configured images over the wire. Speed is much faster than from optical media (DVD) as it runs on the LAN (Gigabit ethernet in my case) This is a extermely basic description of what "Network Boot" entails. So not really applicable to most home users but I just wanted to give a brief explanation of what the Atheros network boot can do. Hope this helps.... JT |
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micky wrote:
My Acer Aspire One netbook uses F2 to enter the BIOS and F12 to see the Boot Order. F12 only shows two items, the hard drive and Atheros network boot. OTOH, F2 - Boot Order shows those two and USB hard drive, USB CD, and USB Floppy. The difference seems strange to me. ? And I've googled and wikied for Atheros network boot or boot agent, and can't find anything helpful. Is this a public service, so anyone who can't boot without it can do so with it? I doubt that so could someone give me a hint about what it does. (I have an external CD drive, and an external HD, that I coudl boot with but if I'm out of the house, it's a lot of effort to take one of those with me.) Thanks. Network boot, is for when one computer has no hard drive ("dickless"), while a second machine has the hard drive as well as some sort of image. +------------------------+ | | Thin_client Server (Network Boot) (with boot image) At one time, the machine would use BootP to get an IP address. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootp If you look in the BIOS, your NIC chip will have a "boot ROM" with something like "PXE" showing on the screen if that boot ROM is ever used to boot at the BIOS level. There would be some sort of spinning cursor characters while it searches for the server. Most people wander into the PXE text messages, when their regular boot order is a shambles (not working). If you disable the boot ROM on the NIC, then it cannot use PXE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot...on_Environment So the Atheros Network Boot would be some flavor of that stuff. I don't know how the Windows version works, but these sorts of things have been going on for quite some time. I think we had Xterminals (cheap non-computer with display) that used to boot from a common image stored on a server. Which meant the terminal could avoid having extensive internal storage of its own. I've never done anything like that at home here, because it's basically a waste of time. For one-off installs, it's always less time consuming to just install to the (multiple) drives in my desktop. Investigating that stuff may be of interest to a laptop or netbook owner, but it's still a lot of work. Somehow, you have to store a suitable image on the boot server. And I don't know how exactly you go about that, whether it's just a bitmap copy of a partition, or involves some other details. ******* And I'm really surprised your F12 popup boot menu, is not listing the USB devices currently connected. Check the BIOS to see if all the USB related stuff is enabled. Paul |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:10:45 -0500, "JT" wrote:
"micky" wrote in message .. . My Acer Aspire One netbook uses F2 to enter the BIOS and F12 to see the Boot Order. F12 only shows two items, the hard drive and Atheros network boot. OTOH, F2 - Boot Order shows those two and USB hard drive, USB CD, and USB Floppy. The difference seems strange to me. ? And I've googled and wikied for Atheros network boot or boot agent, and can't find anything helpful. Is this a public service, so anyone who can't boot without it can do so with it? I doubt that so could someone give me a hint about what it does. (I have an external CD drive, and an external HD, that I coudl boot with but if I'm out of the house, it's a lot of effort to take one of those with me.) Thanks. Micky, Network boot can be used for imaging. Windows Deployment Service or WDS is a service that can run on a Windows Server (2003,2008,2012) that allows for deployment of Windows or other OS's from the WDS server. An ip address is assigned via dhcp upon network boot and the WDS menu is displayed. It is useful in installing an OS on a system that has no boot device (CD,DVD etc..) I use it extensively to install pre-configured images over the wire. Speed is much faster than from optical media (DVD) as it runs on the LAN (Gigabit ethernet in my case) This is a extermely basic description of what "Network Boot" entails. It's plenty. Thank you. So not really applicable to most home users And that's important too! but I just wanted to give a brief explanation of what the Atheros network boot can do. Hope this helps.... JT |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:59:40 -0500, Paul wrote:
micky wrote: My Acer Aspire One netbook uses F2 to enter the BIOS and F12 to see the Boot Order. F12 only shows two items, the hard drive and Atheros network boot. OTOH, F2 - Boot Order shows those two and USB hard drive, USB CD, and USB Floppy. The difference seems strange to me. ? And I've googled and wikied for Atheros network boot or boot agent, and can't find anything helpful. Is this a public service, so anyone who can't boot without it can do so with it? I doubt that so could someone give me a hint about what it does. (I have an external CD drive, and an external HD, that I coudl boot with but if I'm out of the house, it's a lot of effort to take one of those with me.) Thanks. Network boot, is for when one computer has no hard drive ("dickless"), while a second machine has the hard drive as well as some sort of image. +------------------------+ | | Thin_client Server (Network Boot) (with boot image) At one time, the machine would use BootP to get an IP address. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootp If you look in the BIOS, your NIC chip will have a "boot ROM" with something like "PXE" showing on the screen if that boot ROM is ever used to boot at the BIOS level. There would be some sort of spinning cursor characters while it searches for the server. Most people wander into the PXE text messages, when their regular boot order is a shambles (not working). If you disable the boot ROM on the NIC, then it cannot use PXE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot...on_Environment So the Atheros Network Boot would be some flavor of that stuff. I don't know how the Windows version works, but these sorts of things have been going on for quite some time. I think we had Xterminals (cheap non-computer with display) that used to boot from a common image stored on a server. Which meant the terminal could avoid having extensive internal storage of its own. I've never done anything like that at home here, because it's basically a waste of time. For one-off installs, it's always less time consuming to just install to the (multiple) drives in my desktop. Investigating that stuff may be of interest to a laptop or netbook owner, but it's still a lot of work. Somehow, you have to store a suitable image on the boot server. And I don't know how exactly you go about that, whether it's just a bitmap copy of a partition, or involves some other details. No, I'm not interested in doing all that. I'll read the wikip articles. Thanks for much more than the hint I asked for. ;-) ******* And I'm really surprised your F12 popup boot menu, is not listing the USB devices currently connected. Check the BIOS Doh! That's got to be why nothing else is there. Nothing's connected yet! I was planning for the future. to see if all the USB related stuff is enabled. I read somewhere that even though XP will boot from the USB stuff I listed, it won't boot from a USB Flashdrive. Was that true? Is it true for the Acer Asprire One that is several years old. I bought it used 4 years ago. I think I can find out the age if it matters. Paul |
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micky wrote:
I read somewhere that even though XP will boot from the USB stuff I listed, it won't boot from a USB Flashdrive. Was that true? Is it true for the Acer Asprire One that is several years old. I bought it used 4 years ago. I think I can find out the age if it matters. If you install WinXP on a USB flash drive, during the boot of that installation, the USB bus does a reset, and the boot process loses communication with the USB flash drive. There is an involved procedure, that changes the USB bus to be a member of boot bus extender class. By doing that, the USB bus is commissioned at a time that resetting the bus won't hurt anything. And then, apparently, the OS will finish booting. I haven't tried it, because I don't really have a usage for the idea. Due to the activation issue, moving the key around won't do much good. If you want solid state, put the OS on an SSD. Paul |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:41:52 -0500, Paul wrote:
micky wrote: I read somewhere that even though XP will boot from the USB stuff I listed, it won't boot from a USB Flashdrive. Was that true? Is it true for the Acer Asprire One that is several years old. I bought it used 4 years ago. I think I can find out the age if it matters. If you install WinXP on a USB flash drive, during the boot of that installation, the USB bus does a reset, and the boot process loses communication with the USB flash drive. Sounds like a problem! There is an involved procedure, that changes the USB bus to be a member of boot bus extender class. By doing that, the USB bus is commissioned at a time that resetting the bus won't hurt anything. And then, apparently, the OS will finish booting. I haven't tried it, because I don't really have a usage for the idea. Due to the activation issue, moving the key around won't do much good. If you want solid state, put the OS on an SSD. Okay. Thanks. Paul |
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