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Old June 8th 15, 02:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_8_]
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Default Windows 10???

Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.

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  #2  
Old June 8th 15, 03:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


On a Z97, you shouldn't have a problem.

And the UEFI motherboards offer more than one operating
mode. With a CSM module in the BIOS, you can get legacy
BIOS behavior. Suitable for older installation media.

*******

You probably could have installed WinXP (for the purpose
of using it as a proof of purchase). A basic install of
WinXP will work, as long as you can put the disk controller
in vanilla IDE mode (in fact, Intel put support for a certain
mode of emulation in the hardware, so that older OSes would work).
And you wouldn't want to use your WinXP Gold disc, you'd want
to slipstream up the disc to SP3. And then install. For the
best chance of it working.

What you might be missing, is WinXP drivers sufficient
to make "Device Manager look clean". But if you were only
installing to meet some upgrade requirement, then it would
not be necessary to make the OS look pretty, before upgrading
to a later OS. The later OS can install its own drivers,
and the old drivers won't stick around (WinXP might use
WDM, Win8 might use WDDM, the sound architecture is different
and so on).

Win10 will be available for "clean install", as there
are versions of the OS with the usual pricing already
announced.

The chit-chat you see in the newsgroups today, is about
a free upgrade from Win7SP1 or Win8.1. For the rest of
the product matrix, much of that is actually unchanged.
(Just the missing Media Center for using the computer
as a PVR, is different. No more Media Center.)

If you were to build a new computer on Aug.1, 2015, you
should be able to go to Newegg, and buy Windows 10. So
getting some free upgrade is not the only route to acquisition.
You can start with a blank computer, there will be
a Win10 box you can get in your computer parts order
and so on.

The reason for all the discussion, is the notion of
getting something for nothing. In lots of cases,
customers get screwed out of $99 here or $99 there,
when it later turns out they should have had a different
SKU or whatever. So while it may give the appearance
that people here are eating a lot of free lunches, they
won't necessarily admit later just how much they spent
anyway to get everything set up right.

Paul
  #3  
Old June 8th 15, 03:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Darklight
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Default Windows 10???


just an FYI
I downloaded windows 8.1 and done a fresh install using my windows 8 key.

Question: did you download and buy a copy of windows 8 when it was released
and where you a registered tester for windows 8. Before you brought your
copy of windows 8 from the store.
  #4  
Old June 8th 15, 05:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil
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Default Windows 10???

On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.

If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows
10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your
hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you.

--
Best regards,

Neil
  #5  
Old June 8th 15, 07:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_8_]
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Default Windows 10???

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 10:02:50 -0400, Paul wrote:

Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


On a Z97, you shouldn't have a problem.

And the UEFI motherboards offer more than one operating
mode. With a CSM module in the BIOS, you can get legacy
BIOS behavior. Suitable for older installation media.

*******

You probably could have installed WinXP (for the purpose
of using it as a proof of purchase). A basic install of
WinXP will work, as long as you can put the disk controller
in vanilla IDE mode (in fact, Intel put support for a certain
mode of emulation in the hardware, so that older OSes would work).
And you wouldn't want to use your WinXP Gold disc, you'd want
to slipstream up the disc to SP3. And then install. For the
best chance of it working.

What you might be missing, is WinXP drivers sufficient
to make "Device Manager look clean". But if you were only
installing to meet some upgrade requirement, then it would
not be necessary to make the OS look pretty, before upgrading
to a later OS. The later OS can install its own drivers,
and the old drivers won't stick around (WinXP might use
WDM, Win8 might use WDDM, the sound architecture is different
and so on).

Win10 will be available for "clean install", as there
are versions of the OS with the usual pricing already
announced.

The chit-chat you see in the newsgroups today, is about
a free upgrade from Win7SP1 or Win8.1. For the rest of
the product matrix, much of that is actually unchanged.
(Just the missing Media Center for using the computer
as a PVR, is different. No more Media Center.)

If you were to build a new computer on Aug.1, 2015, you
should be able to go to Newegg, and buy Windows 10. So
getting some free upgrade is not the only route to acquisition.
You can start with a blank computer, there will be
a Win10 box you can get in your computer parts order
and so on.

The reason for all the discussion, is the notion of
getting something for nothing. In lots of cases,
customers get screwed out of $99 here or $99 there,
when it later turns out they should have had a different
SKU or whatever. So while it may give the appearance
that people here are eating a lot of free lunches, they
won't necessarily admit later just how much they spent
anyway to get everything set up right.

Paul


Unfortunately most of what you've posted above seems to be way over my
head but from what I can glean from it I shouldn't have any problems
if I decide to go with Windows 10.

I would like to point out that when I went from Windows XP to Windows
8 I did so with Windows 8 Pro upgrade discs from Microsoft. One of the
things that happened while I was reinstalling Windows XP was I got an
error message something like, "Stop installation because you could
damage your computer" or something like that.

Anyway the computer is working real well with the Windows 8.1 but I
was just curious about Windows 10.
  #6  
Old June 8th 15, 08:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Windows 10???

Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.

If you upgraded from XP to 8.0 you should have an 8.0 product key.

The MSFT Media Creation Tool (MCT) for Windows 8.1 can create (for free)
installation media on a USB Stick or DVD for clean installing Windows
8.1 on that Ausus Z97 (btdt).

The installer (on the media created by the MCT)
will accept both Windows 8.0 and 8.1 product keys.

The MCT can be obtained he
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

i.e. it wasn't necessary to attempt to install XP or even attempt to
perform an upgrade from an existing XP o/s.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #7  
Old June 8th 15, 08:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_8_]
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Default Windows 10???

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 15:08:44 +0100, Darklight
wrote:


just an FYI
I downloaded windows 8.1 and done a fresh install using my windows 8 key.

Question: did you download and buy a copy of windows 8 when it was released
and where you a registered tester for windows 8. Before you brought your
copy of windows 8 from the store.


I was running Windows XP and I purchased Windows 8 Pro upgrade discs
from Microsoft which had both the 64 and 32 versions along with the
product key card.

I think being a registered tester is way above my pay grade especially
at 80 years of age ;-). I would assume they would probably want
someone with a longer future ;-).
  #8  
Old June 8th 15, 08:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_8_]
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Default Windows 10???

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.

If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows
10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your
hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you.


I do have "Get Windows 10" on the taskbar. Which was pointed out to me
when I first registered for When those 10.

Under "Your PC is ready" "Your good to go"
Devices & apps. "no issues found".

Under view confirmation it says;

"Your upgrade is reserved! There's nothing you need to do right now.
You'll get a notification on your PC or tablet when Windows 10 is
ready to install"
  #9  
Old June 8th 15, 08:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Good Guy[_2_]
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Default Windows 10???

On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


If you were not successful in installing Windows XP then I can only
surmise that something is dodgy in your system and so Windows 10 won't run.

The fact that you have a new Mobo and all that doesn't mean that they
are in working order. New stuff can invariably be defective and that is
why you weren't able to install XP. XP can run on any systems except
that you might not have the relevant drivers but installation should
work no matter how new the system is. At least this is what I have
experienced. I managed to install Windows 8.1. on my old DELL desktop
and it runs fine. The only thing is DELL doesn't provide drivers for it
so I have gone back to Windows 7. This old Desktop came with Windows XP
way back in 2002 so you know it is very old indeed. Anyway, it is just
a test machine to try something that can't be done on a live machine
used for business.



  #10  
Old June 8th 15, 11:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil
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On 6/8/2015 3:46 PM, Albert wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.

If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows
10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your
hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you.


I do have "Get Windows 10" on the taskbar. Which was pointed out to me
when I first registered for When those 10.

Under "Your PC is ready" "Your good to go"
Devices & apps. "no issues found".

Under view confirmation it says;

"Your upgrade is reserved! There's nothing you need to do right now.
You'll get a notification on your PC or tablet when Windows 10 is
ready to install"

I presume that Win10 upgrade will be similar to the Win8 - Win8.1
upgrade; once complete, the install is "clean" in practical terms, and
should you need to do a system restore, it will restore to Win10 (unless
you force it to do otherwise).

Since you've confirmed that your system can run Win10, the next step is
to decide whether you want to or not.

--
Best regards,

Neil
  #11  
Old June 9th 15, 12:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Neil wrote:

I presume that Win10 upgrade will be similar to the Win8 - Win8.1
upgrade; once complete, the install is "clean" in practical terms, and
should you need to do a system restore, it will restore to Win10 (unless
you force it to do otherwise).

Since you've confirmed that your system can run Win10, the next step is
to decide whether you want to or not.


Similar might be stretching it a bit.
8.1 when released was a Windows Store app upgrade route.

7Sp1/8.1 to 10 is Windows Update upgrade route.

The latter, if reserved will cause Win10 to downloaded (trickling in
over a period of time, not all at once - once complete a notice will be
provided that the upgrade is ready to install)
...but there's more to this than just the above. That tool includes
the Upgrade Assistant (UA). If one changes a system device or
application, the tool's 'readiness' status could also change thus
impacting the decision to install or also possible the ability to install.

Thus the next step would be to revisit the tools 'readiness' status
before making the final decision to upgrade or not.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #12  
Old June 9th 15, 12:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Good Guy wrote:
On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


If you were not successful in installing Windows XP then I can only
surmise that something is dodgy in your system and so Windows 10 won't run.

The fact that you have a new Mobo and all that doesn't mean that they
are in working order. New stuff can invariably be defective and that is
why you weren't able to install XP. XP can run on any systems except
that you might not have the relevant drivers but installation should
work no matter how new the system is. At least this is what I have
experienced. I managed to install Windows 8.1. on my old DELL desktop
and it runs fine. The only thing is DELL doesn't provide drivers for it
so I have gone back to Windows 7. This old Desktop came with Windows XP
way back in 2002 so you know it is very old indeed. Anyway, it is just
a test machine to try something that can't be done on a live machine
used for business.


That's not necessarily entirely all encompassing. Some mobos just won't
install XP (some chip and storage drivers) are not available.

Eventually if one has the necessary drivers XP could be installed (e.g.
user provides SATA drivers that the XP media won't/can't provide). I've
also come across lan drivers for the system's mobo not being available
for XP nor are Vista/Win7 drivers installable.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #13  
Old June 9th 15, 09:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Brian Gregory
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Default Windows 10???

On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions
of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous
version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and
it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect
it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted
again to do the clean install.

Anyone know if this is still allowed?

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.
  #14  
Old June 9th 15, 10:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Brian Gregory wrote:
On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why.

So I replaced it with;

Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: 141134426100449
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014

I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed.
I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original
installation.

When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found
out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a
Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows
XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.)

Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if
anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any
problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of
a clean install, I'm just curious.


I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions
of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous
version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and
it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect
it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted
again to do the clean install.

Anyone know if this is still allowed?


My two Windows 8 paid installations, have no qualifying OS
at all. I used the "double install" method to bootstrap
the Upgrade install. Just to prove it works. And they're nominally
Upgrade versions. The test computer was brand new, when the
Upgrade media was used to install the OS.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-upgrade.html

The OS didn't attempt any of the old methods of
verifying the qualifying conditions.

I have seen what you're talking about. If I wanted
to reinstall Win2K, I have to keep the Win98SE box
nearby, to present the "qualifying" CD for the
Upgrade version I bought. My copy of Win2K Pro
was $368 with tax included, and it was still
only an Upgrade version and not a full Retail one.
That's why, at the computer store, that box of
software was locked in the "OS cabinet" :-)
They hadn't switched to the "dummy box" method
at that point in time. An armed guard (geek with pencil)
escorted you to the cash with your box of software, to make
sure you didn't hide it under your rain coat and walk out :-)

Paul
  #15  
Old June 10th 15, 08:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Brian Gregory wrote:


I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions
of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous
version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and
it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect
it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted
again to do the clean install.

Anyone know if this is still allowed?


That option is no longer available.

Asking for media insertion of the prior qualifying o/s ceased quite some
ago (either XP or ME era).




...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
 




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