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  #136  
Old July 29th 18, 02:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 07/28/2018 10:52 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:

[snip]

But nothing can stop spoofing of phone numbers as long as FCC regs do
not mandate fixing to source.


What if phone companies could recognize numbers that don't belong to
anyone's phone and change the caller ID to 000-000-0000, or some other
number that everyone could block?

And change the NAME to "Junk Caller".


Where are you (or they) going to get a complete list of all phone
numbers that are currently assigned to a person (and not some entity
that makes calls for a multitude of callers)? Hell, you can't even get
info on who owns an existing (assigned) cell phone number. Those online
lookup services are crap that require you to pay to get more details
than a huge regional location or with what telephony provider the number
originates.

What the phone companies could do is not what they have done. They have
no financial incentive to employ all the hardware and software for a
feature that is yet to be pervasively requested by their customers.
Simultaneous ring has been available at some providers for over a couple
decades, but those that don't have it now are not likely to add it.

The telephone companies were actually constrained by the FCC to complete
all calls. Didn't matter if they knew or didn't know if the caller was
a spammer or scammer. They were required by law to complete the call.
The telcos had their hands tied. Only lately has the FCC given them an
out where they can block some calls. Because this is a very new change
(November 2017), it will take time for the telcos to decide what, if
anything, they will do. Since there will be hardware and software costs
involved, they may add an anti-spam call blocking service but they can
also charge for it. How many customers are going to up the cost of
their phone bill by even $5 to get service-side anti-spam call blocking?
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  #137  
Old July 29th 18, 10:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

So your answer to "is there a way to exit app.s terminally" is "by using
yet another app", which to me is "no" (-:. I was hoping there might be
something vaguely equivalent to using shift-delete rather than just
delete in Windows Explorer. [Yes, I know you can change the default for
that as well.] But sounds like there isn't.


The criteria of process management through user interaction with the OS
without use of any ancilliary software was not stipulated in your
original inquiry.


Wow, what a lot of long words (-:!

You are equating a file delete operation with process management.


I wasn't really _equating_, just giving something I thought would covey
what I meant. (Which apparently worked.)

Windows doesn't let you exit (unload) a process, either, unless you use
additional software. Most users hope the "exit" within an application


True (Skype being a recently-discussed-here example). But _most_
software (that I use, anyway - though some, like Chrome, takes its own
sweet time to go - YMMV, and probably does, since I think you use a lot
more complex softwares than I do) does.

actually unloads it. Not true if the app is just a frontend GUI to a
service: the GUI process unloads but the service keeps running.

Even Windows Explorer is NOT part of the OS. It is an application: a
file manager and a desktop manager. So you ARE using yet another app to
choose to delete or permanently delete a file.


I usually look at my files (that is, observe their presence, not examine
their contents) with Windows Explorer, which I also usually use to
delete them.
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  #138  
Old July 29th 18, 04:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 07/28/2018 07:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

It wasn't Tracfone that discontinued 2G. It was the cellular carriers
from whom Tracfone buys cheap in bulk to reparse to their customers.


I think it's usually AT&T. I'm on Verizon, and they say they plan to
discontinue 2G at the end of 2019. I didn't know another company already
had. What are they using for voice, VOLTE?


[snip]

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  #139  
Old July 29th 18, 06:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:53:43 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-07-28 21:29, VanguardLH wrote:
Mayayana wrote:

VanguardLH wrote

When I was hunting around for owner information, I happened upon her
phone billing. Geez, $250/month!

What kind of service would cost that much? I thought unlimited
everything was only around $100.


I only saw some billing info (which trying to find out who was the
phone's owner). The service itself was not described. All of us looked
at each other in surprise wondering what the hell would cost that much,
and what job would require that much talking, texting, or data quota.

I had a muscle car that I dumpe more than 3 times its purchase price to
get blueprinted and super customized. That was my passion at the time.
To others, such expense was ridiculous. Depends on your passions and
how deep are your pockets. Back then, I had a ton of disposable income.


Possibly bottom-line total of mobile, internet, landline,
cable/satellite or some combination of those.


Family plans can easily get up that high, as well.

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  #140  
Old July 29th 18, 09:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 07/28/2018 07:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

It wasn't Tracfone that discontinued 2G. It was the cellular carriers
from whom Tracfone buys cheap in bulk to reparse to their customers.


I think it's usually AT&T. I'm on Verizon, and they say they plan to
discontinue 2G at the end of 2019. I didn't know another company already
had. What are they using for voice, VOLTE?

[snip]


Could be VoLTE (Voice over [4G] LTE) or CSFB (Circuit Switched Fall Back
on 3G).

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-di...voice-services

Although I use Tracfone, they're a reseller of someone else's service
(AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, etc). My phones were locked back then, so I was
stuck with AT&T; however, other providers are also dropping 2G but a bit
later. Several family members lose use of their cell phones, too.

https://arstechnica.com/information-...for-3g-and-4g/
http://about.att.com/innovationblog/2g_sunset

I lost a very nice flip phone when my locked AT&T phone ceased to work.
While I have a smartphone, I don't like carrying when doing some chores,
like helping a buddy fix his house or build his garage, when cutting
down trees or building sheds, writhing around in crawlspace under a
house to do plumbing, or other physical activity that would put the
phone at risk. A cheap flip phone in my pants pocket to get calls is
all I need at those times. Besides the Motorola, I had a couple of even
cheap flip phones that I got from Radio Shack on a clearance at $5 (so I
bought two), and those died because of the 2G kill.

Analog cellular died. 2G died. 3G will die, too.

https://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/bl...-united-states
"Effective this past June, AT&T even stopped permitting new 3G devices
from entering their certification lab."
and
"Verizon announced they will discontinue support for 3G devices on their
network by the end of 2019"
(so it's not just 2G that dies in 2019).

I suspect they keep dropping the old schemes because they want to reuse
the limited frequency bands for the new schemes. They can't keep
getting more frequency ranges, so they dump an old scheme to reuse the
same old bands. 4G cell towers are slated to be overtaken by 5G by
2024.

https://www.wirelessweek.com/news/20...ertake-4g-2024

Plus new threats are emerging that could severely damage the national
cellular carriers, like:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/30...-numbered.html

4G/LTE speed in my country (USA) sucks! Availability is great but speed
is poor. US citizens are overpaying for 4G. See:

https://bgr.com/2017/11/01/best-wire...-vs-the-world/
https://opensignal.com/reports/2018/02/state-of-lte

"The only thing that is constant is change." (Heraclitus, c.575-475 BC)
  #141  
Old July 29th 18, 11:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/28/2018 5:25 PM, Ant wrote:
Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/20/2018 6:26 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I had one of these calls yesterday - "your computer has stopped
communicating with the Windows server", or something like that.

I used my usual: "hang on while I get the police on the other line";
that usually makes them hang up pretty smartish.

However, thinking about it afterwards, I wondered: would it be possible
to devise something that could do something to their systems, while
pretending to do whatever they ask? I've never gone beyond the initial
call - I have always seen through them so far, it's not been difficult!
- so I don't know what they ask you to _do_.

I suspect it isn't likely to be possible, but it would be _so_
satisfying ... (-:


NoMoRoBo free for many VOIP services.


HiYa, RoboKiller, and TrueCaller for iPhones.


Are those free too?

I believe so. Why not look in App Store?


Hmm, NoMoRobo app has poor ratings.
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  #142  
Old July 30th 18, 12:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:

Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/28/2018 5:25 PM, Ant wrote:
Zaidy036 wrote:
On 7/20/2018 6:26 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I had one of these calls yesterday - "your computer has stopped
communicating with the Windows server", or something like that.

I used my usual: "hang on while I get the police on the other line";
that usually makes them hang up pretty smartish.

However, thinking about it afterwards, I wondered: would it be possible
to devise something that could do something to their systems, while
pretending to do whatever they ask? I've never gone beyond the initial
call - I have always seen through them so far, it's not been difficult!
- so I don't know what they ask you to _do_.

I suspect it isn't likely to be possible, but it would be _so_
satisfying ... (-:

NoMoRoBo free for many VOIP services.

HiYa, RoboKiller, and TrueCaller for iPhones.

Are those free too?

I believe so. Why not look in App Store?


Hmm, NoMoRobo app has poor ratings.


The problem with reviews at play.google.com is that very FEW are
actually *reviews*. Most are boobs that have been raised on social
networks where +1 is all they get for a vote and that's all the do is
vote, not write up a review. You get reviews like "garbage". Oh yes,
that is so very informative, uh huh. "Didn't work." Oh, that's very
detailed, for sure. Even those that give a thumbs up but no details are
NOT reviews! Voting is not reviewing. Some "reviews" are "cost money,
didn't try it". Oh yes, very informative, uh huh. Tells them in the
app description that a subscription is required, yet the boobs still
complain that it costs money. What retards.

As I've noticed here, users just don't have a grasp of what is a ROBOTIC
DIALER. Not all spam calls use robodialers yet the boob pseudo-reviews
whine that it doesn't stop all spam calls, like complaining a pliers
doesn't work well as a jar opener. They'll compare it to anti-spam
blacklist apps (e.g., Hiya) and complain it doesn't catch all spam
calls. Not all spam calls are originated by robodialers. Obviously
only known robodialers can get blocked. Hiya and other anti-spam call
apps don't catch all robodialers nor do they catch all spam calls.

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  #143  
Old August 1st 18, 02:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:41:10 -0400, John B. Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:19:36 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

A couple days ago I subscribed to NoMoRobo on my Spectrum Phone
landline website. Since then I've gotten 2 crap calls that NoMoRobo
didn't block. But that's not the worst, I enthusiatically put my
little TracFone number on the NoMoRobo site also. Alas they needed me
to d/l an App onto my TracFone. Here's my problem with that: it's a
$15 phone. No data plan. I pay about $7/month for my 'plan' to retain
my minutes. My phone doesn't do 'Apps'. So I took its number back off
NoMoRobo. Only thing is, somebody is apparently grabbing numbers off
that site. I used to get maybe 2 crap calls a day on my TracFone. [and
at the end of the month 15 urgent messages from TracFone to try and
make me buy more minutes] Today I got about 10 crap calls so far.
Only thing I can think of is to try and get TracFone to change my
number now. A daunting task.


I did change my TrakFone number. It was quite painless. I'll keep this
one away from Nomorobo. It is keeping my landline swept pretty good
though, I've gotten several 'one-ring' calls on numbers that I
recognise as being my chief tormentors.
 




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