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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
I know that a system restore point is far from an everything;
nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up reasons for it afterwards." - Soren F. Petersen |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
In message , Shenan Stanley
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; [] No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make I do. just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. I have BartPE (as dual boot; I haven't got round to making an actual CD yet). In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
In message , Shenan Stanley
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; [] No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make I do. just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. I have BartPE (as dual boot; I haven't got round to making an actual CD yet). In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) Shenan Stanley wrote: No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I do. I have BartPE (as dual boot; I haven't got round to making an actual CD yet). What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. System Restore appeared with Windows ME. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Restore Probably one of the best places to research System Restore in Windows XP is he http://bertk.mvps.org/ You might read this: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/description.html As well as: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions and http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...utorial56.html The last of those has a couple of lists... These restore points contain configuration and settings and files that are necessary for your computer to run correctly. The following are some of the settings and files that are saved in a Restore Point: . Registry (Contains Configuration information for application, user, and operating system settings) . Windows File Protection files in the dllscache folder. (Used for protecting system files) . COM+ Database . Windows Management Instrumentation Database . IIS Metabase (Contains configuration for Internet Information Server) . Files with extensions listed in the Monitored File Extensions list in the System Restore section of the Platform SDK . Local Profiles What System Restore does not store in a Restore Point include: . Windows XP passwords and hints are not restored. This is done so that you do not by accident restore an old password and then lock yourself out of the computer.. . Microsoft Internet Explorer and Content Advisor passwords and hints are not restored. . Any file types not monitored by System Restore like personal data files e.g. .doc, .jpg, .txt etc. . Items listed in both Filesnottobackup and KeysnottoRestore . User-created data stored in the user profile . Contents of redirected folders Hope that helps! I still recommend - heavily - some backup application and external location to put the backup. Best is something that not only backs up your files periodically (every night, once a week, etc) but also does a system state backup every single night. For most people - if they only had a way to restore their system state back to the way it was the day before - their files and stuff would be readily available and they would be much happier. ;-) Having a dual boot of BartPE really doesn't help much if it is the drive that goes bad, eh? *grin* -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) Shenan Stanley wrote: No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I do. I have BartPE (as dual boot; I haven't got round to making an actual CD yet). What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. System Restore appeared with Windows ME. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Restore Probably one of the best places to research System Restore in Windows XP is he http://bertk.mvps.org/ You might read this: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/description.html As well as: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions and http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...utorial56.html The last of those has a couple of lists... These restore points contain configuration and settings and files that are necessary for your computer to run correctly. The following are some of the settings and files that are saved in a Restore Point: . Registry (Contains Configuration information for application, user, and operating system settings) . Windows File Protection files in the dllscache folder. (Used for protecting system files) . COM+ Database . Windows Management Instrumentation Database . IIS Metabase (Contains configuration for Internet Information Server) . Files with extensions listed in the Monitored File Extensions list in the System Restore section of the Platform SDK . Local Profiles What System Restore does not store in a Restore Point include: . Windows XP passwords and hints are not restored. This is done so that you do not by accident restore an old password and then lock yourself out of the computer.. . Microsoft Internet Explorer and Content Advisor passwords and hints are not restored. . Any file types not monitored by System Restore like personal data files e.g. .doc, .jpg, .txt etc. . Items listed in both Filesnottobackup and KeysnottoRestore . User-created data stored in the user profile . Contents of redirected folders Hope that helps! I still recommend - heavily - some backup application and external location to put the backup. Best is something that not only backs up your files periodically (every night, once a week, etc) but also does a system state backup every single night. For most people - if they only had a way to restore their system state back to the way it was the day before - their files and stuff would be readily available and they would be much happier. ;-) Having a dual boot of BartPE really doesn't help much if it is the drive that goes bad, eh? *grin* -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
In message , Shenan Stanley
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. System Restore appeared with Windows ME. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Restore OK, I didn't know that. (Assuming it's actually the same thing, and that the Me one was not a development of ERU/ERD.) Probably one of the best places to research System Restore in Windows XP is he http://bertk.mvps.org/ That tells me how to _do_ a restore, AFAICS. You might read this: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/description.html That one is most informative, thank you. (I hadn't realised that, when disc space gets low, it not only stops making restore points, but deletes any already made. Seems an odd behaviour - since something that is causing disc space to be eaten is exactly one of the many things for which one might want to go back!) As well as: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...store-frequent ly-asked-questions That one is a bit Vista-specific. (Interesting that under Vista - and, presumably, 7 - SR does _not_ save anything on a FAT disc.) and http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...utorial56.html Mostly what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it, though does include details of registry where to change the automatic period. The last of those has a couple of lists... These restore points contain configuration and settings and files that are necessary for your computer to run correctly. The following are some of the settings and files that are saved in a Restore Point:[lists of what SR does and does not save/restore] Hope that helps! Thanks, useful to know. I still recommend - heavily - some backup application and external location to put the backup. Best is something that not only backs up your files periodically (every night, once a week, etc) but also does a system state backup every single night. For most people - if they only had a way to restore their system state back to the way it was the day before - their files and stuff would be readily available and they would be much happier. ;-) Agreed for all you say. But I _still_ think that, if system restore is considered worthwhile at all, it should have been possible to tag one to be kept indefinitely. Having a dual boot of BartPE really doesn't help much if it is the drive that goes bad, eh? *grin* No, though under those circumstances I don't think having it as a bootable CD would help me much either *grin* (well, backups of course) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
In message , Shenan Stanley
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] What you say matches what I suspected; it just seems a pity that System Restore appeared with XP, but it is far from clear (to me at least) what a System Restore point actually _does_ store. System Restore appeared with Windows ME. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Restore OK, I didn't know that. (Assuming it's actually the same thing, and that the Me one was not a development of ERU/ERD.) Probably one of the best places to research System Restore in Windows XP is he http://bertk.mvps.org/ That tells me how to _do_ a restore, AFAICS. You might read this: http://bertk.mvps.org/html/description.html That one is most informative, thank you. (I hadn't realised that, when disc space gets low, it not only stops making restore points, but deletes any already made. Seems an odd behaviour - since something that is causing disc space to be eaten is exactly one of the many things for which one might want to go back!) As well as: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...store-frequent ly-asked-questions That one is a bit Vista-specific. (Interesting that under Vista - and, presumably, 7 - SR does _not_ save anything on a FAT disc.) and http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...utorial56.html Mostly what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it, though does include details of registry where to change the automatic period. The last of those has a couple of lists... These restore points contain configuration and settings and files that are necessary for your computer to run correctly. The following are some of the settings and files that are saved in a Restore Point:[lists of what SR does and does not save/restore] Hope that helps! Thanks, useful to know. I still recommend - heavily - some backup application and external location to put the backup. Best is something that not only backs up your files periodically (every night, once a week, etc) but also does a system state backup every single night. For most people - if they only had a way to restore their system state back to the way it was the day before - their files and stuff would be readily available and they would be much happier. ;-) Agreed for all you say. But I _still_ think that, if system restore is considered worthwhile at all, it should have been possible to tag one to be kept indefinitely. Having a dual boot of BartPE really doesn't help much if it is the drive that goes bad, eh? *grin* No, though under those circumstances I don't think having it as a bootable CD would help me much either *grin* (well, backups of course) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) |
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Shenan Stanley said
"In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on the external drive until I first installed a program to let the Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof method to proof your backup system. SG "Shenan Stanley" wrote in message ... J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Shenan Stanley said "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on the external drive until I first installed a program to let the Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof method to proof your backup system. SG "Shenan Stanley" wrote in message ... J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) No. That would be a backup. System Restores are not the same, nor can they be treated in the same way - as a backup. You could use ERUNT to backup your XP registry if you want. You could make just 'System State' backups if you want. ERD (Emergency Repair Disk) is nothing like System Restore. The Windows XP CD itself contains most everything you would need to boot and repair an installation of Windows XP. In conjunction with the Recovery Console, you have a whole slew of tools at your disposal in this way. You could utilize something like a BartPE or Ultimate Windows Boot CD to get in and have a more familar interface from a CD/DVD. In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
shakey wrote:
Shenan Stanley said "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on the external drive until I first installed a program to let the Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof method to proof your backup system. Actually - in your case, it may be less a matter of 'no way to test' and more of not knowing how to test your backup and/or how to recover in case you need to. You said you were making Ghost (Symantec/Norton) images (Disk or partition?) - which means you could have used something like Ghost Explorer to open and navigate the directory structure manually to see what was actually there - even copy files from inside the image to your local drives to see if the backup was working. Also - most modern virtual machine software will allow you to apply a ghost image or even convert a ghost image to a VM. You most likely would have to perform a repair installation on the VM in order to get it to recognize the 'hardware' changes - but it is a proof-of-concept. Also - most Symantec/Norton software allows you to make a boot disk to restore from 'bare metal' if you need to. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
shakey wrote:
Shenan Stanley said "In the end - no - system restores cannot be saved. Use backups. Get yourself an inexpesive external drive that probably has twice to five times the total amount of space you have and either use some feature of it to backup your system or use some third party application to make images of your hard disk drive to it or just make system backups using internal or third party methods. The BIG danger "as I learned" is that the unexpected happens. I religiously made Ghost 9 backups but had no way to FULLY test if they would work to fully restore a clean system. When I needed them the computer a Dell 8400 series would not find the backups on the external drive until I first installed a program to let the Dell see the external drives. About six days of effort to do the restore. Since you have to install backups to test I can see no foolproof method to proof your backup system. Actually - in your case, it may be less a matter of 'no way to test' and more of not knowing how to test your backup and/or how to recover in case you need to. You said you were making Ghost (Symantec/Norton) images (Disk or partition?) - which means you could have used something like Ghost Explorer to open and navigate the directory structure manually to see what was actually there - even copy files from inside the image to your local drives to see if the backup was working. Also - most modern virtual machine software will allow you to apply a ghost image or even convert a ghost image to a VM. You most likely would have to perform a repair installation on the VM in order to get it to recognize the 'hardware' changes - but it is a proof-of-concept. Also - most Symantec/Norton software allows you to make a boot disk to restore from 'bare metal' if you need to. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
If you are absolutely intent on saving one or more System Restore Points it is
possible, but it's a bit of a hassle. To save one or more restore points, displayed at any one time, in the System Restore's user interface's calendar: Firstly, you have to change the security permissions of the "System Volume Information" folder to include your username and give it "full" rights. If not, you can't even see the inside of this folder. Then, copy the entire folder to another location on your hard-drive and remove your username from the permissions again.. If you then want to restore the restore points that were seen when the folder was copied, edit the "System Volume Information" folder's permissions again to include your username as owner of full rights. Then copy the "System Volume Information" folder that you saved to another location, back again to the root of your system drive - overwriting the current "System Volume Information" folder completely. In fact, your better off deleting the current folder before you copy the saved folder back again. The same dates will now be visible in the System Restore's calendar as when you first saved the folder. You cannot save individual restore points because of the way that the program saves the information about restore points in files within the "System Volume Information" folder. You are probably better off, though, downloading the [free] program ERUNT - which teaches you all about what files constitute the Window's registry, how to back-up the registry and how to restore the registry in a number of ways, including restoring the registry when you cannot start Windows! I highly recommend you get this utility... Download the program ERUNT from the link below... http://www.aumha.org/downloads/erunt-setup.exe ....or go to the ERUNT homepage... http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up reasons for it afterwards." - Soren F. Petersen |
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Can "System Restore Points" be locked?
If you are absolutely intent on saving one or more System Restore Points it is
possible, but it's a bit of a hassle. To save one or more restore points, displayed at any one time, in the System Restore's user interface's calendar: Firstly, you have to change the security permissions of the "System Volume Information" folder to include your username and give it "full" rights. If not, you can't even see the inside of this folder. Then, copy the entire folder to another location on your hard-drive and remove your username from the permissions again.. If you then want to restore the restore points that were seen when the folder was copied, edit the "System Volume Information" folder's permissions again to include your username as owner of full rights. Then copy the "System Volume Information" folder that you saved to another location, back again to the root of your system drive - overwriting the current "System Volume Information" folder completely. In fact, your better off deleting the current folder before you copy the saved folder back again. The same dates will now be visible in the System Restore's calendar as when you first saved the folder. You cannot save individual restore points because of the way that the program saves the information about restore points in files within the "System Volume Information" folder. You are probably better off, though, downloading the [free] program ERUNT - which teaches you all about what files constitute the Window's registry, how to back-up the registry and how to restore the registry in a number of ways, including restoring the registry when you cannot start Windows! I highly recommend you get this utility... Download the program ERUNT from the link below... http://www.aumha.org/downloads/erunt-setup.exe ....or go to the ERUNT homepage... http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... I know that a system restore point is far from an everything; nevertheless, they do seem a useful concept. However, like the ERU/ERD ones in Windows 95 (works fine in 98/Me too), I'd like to be able to keep the odd one; at present SRPs seem to be like the replacement to ERU/ERD that came with '98, i. e. they go into a FIFO buffer: since the system makes SRPs quite frequently, the oldest isn't that old. I've just installed CCleaner, which has a useful "manage your CRPs" tool (actually all it lets you do is remove them, but it's useful as a way of seeing what you've got), and I see my oldest is only just over a month old, and there are only ones made by my system and a utility there, none that I've made myself. Can it be done (marking one as "keep")? If not, can they be moved to a safe place, and moved back when needed? (What form do they take? Presumably not registry entries! Though how they're indexed I rather fear _is_ in the registry.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up reasons for it afterwards." - Soren F. Petersen |
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