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On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 2015-05-19 7:17 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. It lacks spelling and grammar checking but if you don't mind that, Wordpad is perfectly capable. -- Slimer Encrypt. |
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On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. My only gripe with Word is that the "define" option (to ensure proper use of a word) requires an installation of Internet Explorer. It says that it supports Firefox and other browsers but doesn't. -- Slimer Encrypt. |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Write WordPad is a step above NotePad, but well below MS Write in terms of capability. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 5/20/15 8:20 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Write WordPad is a step above NotePad, but well below MS Write in terms of capability. Thanks, Neil, just what I wanted to know. I actually have WordPerfect for the Atari, and a computer that should run it. The comment about software piracy is/was all too true about the Atari computing world, and no doubt contributed to the demise of the platform. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 5/20/2015 9:54 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. My only gripe with Word is that the "define" option (to ensure proper use of a word) requires an installation of Internet Explorer. It says that it supports Firefox and other browsers but doesn't. The reason I use WordPerfect is the editing of the format codes. (Reveal Codes). It makes resolving problem formatting codes very easy. When I was editing documents when the company went private under a different name I used MS Word. I don't know how many hours I spent trying to resolve problem formatting problems. These documents were years old, had been edited by many people, and probably had gone through several updates as MS change the MS word Format. In many cases the only way to correct the problem was to copy the document to Notepad, saved it, recopied it to MS Word, and reformatted the whole document. It is so much easier in Word perfect to work with the reveal codes to correct these problems. |
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On Tue, 19 May 2015 21:13:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? I think it's correct. |
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On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:54:45 -0400, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. Any two people have different opinions on lots of things. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion, but I couldn't disagree with you more. |
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On 20/05/2015 00:17, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. Why don't you use Online Version of Microsoft Word? It is free to everybody with a Hotmail, Live, or Outlook account. These are all free Microsoft's email accounts which can be used as Microsoft Account for everything. You don't need a passport or a driving license to open an account so you know what to do if your privacy is concerned!!. Best regards, |
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On 20/05/2015 14:54, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. WordPerfect is not for serious users using something as tool for business. All corporates I know of are using Microsoft Office and so they all can't be wrong. |
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On 20/05/2015 15:39, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/20/2015 9:54 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. My only gripe with Word is that the "define" option (to ensure proper use of a word) requires an installation of Internet Explorer. It says that it supports Firefox and other browsers but doesn't. The reason I use WordPerfect is the editing of the format codes. (Reveal Codes). It makes resolving problem formatting codes very easy. When I was editing documents when the company went private under a different name I used MS Word. I don't know how many hours I spent trying to resolve problem formatting problems. These documents were years old, had been edited by many people, and probably had gone through several updates as MS change the MS word Format. You really need to learn Word properly. Word is the simplest tool to edit and format no matter how old is your document and whether it is DOS version or old versions of any good word processor package. In many cases the only way to correct the problem was to copy the document to Notepad, saved it, recopied it to MS Word, and reformatted the whole document. Have you thought of learning Word because this is not the way to do things. There is something called "Paste Special" and you can paste almost anything without any formatting associated with the text. You really need to spend some time learning Word properly. There should be no excuse that you don't have time to do this because you have time especially if you are wasting lots of time editing a documents using something that can be done in 5 minutes. It is so much easier in Word perfect to work with the reveal codes to correct these problems. Never used Wordperfect so can't comment on this. I have blocked people using non-standard software in my department as support costs rises when you have many different packages to support. Microsoft Office is the standard package in my department. |
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On 2015-05-20 10:31 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/20/15 8:20 AM, Neil Gould wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Write WordPad is a step above NotePad, but well below MS Write in terms of capability. Thanks, Neil, just what I wanted to know. I actually have WordPerfect for the Atari, and a computer that should run it. The comment about software piracy is/was all too true about the Atari computing world, and no doubt contributed to the demise of the platform. I've read and watched a lot of videos about the Atari ST platform and I frankly couldn't understand how it failed. Its operating system was fast (unlike AmigaOS) and very simple to use. Whether you had an HD or not made no difference because it was in ROM (unlike its competitor). It couldn't multitask like AmigaOS, but things of the sort weren't as valuable at a time when processors could barely handle multitasking anyway. It worked with a monitor or on your TV, provided MIDI connections and had a good amount of software as well as a competent sound chip. It also cost less than a Mac and could run its software provided you bought the necessary hardware. It HAD to be software piracy. I truly don't understand what else could have gone wrong because they also focused on releasing ever more compelling versions of the ST unlike Amiga. It is incredibly sad to see what happened to a platform which honestly seemed superior to the PC until at least 1988. -- Slimer Encrypt. |
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On 2015-05-20 10:39 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/20/2015 9:54 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. My only gripe with Word is that the "define" option (to ensure proper use of a word) requires an installation of Internet Explorer. It says that it supports Firefox and other browsers but doesn't. The reason I use WordPerfect is the editing of the format codes. (Reveal Codes). It makes resolving problem formatting codes very easy. When I was editing documents when the company went private under a different name I used MS Word. I don't know how many hours I spent trying to resolve problem formatting problems. These documents were years old, had been edited by many people, and probably had gone through several updates as MS change the MS word Format. In many cases the only way to correct the problem was to copy the document to Notepad, saved it, recopied it to MS Word, and reformatted the whole document. It is so much easier in Word perfect to work with the reveal codes to correct these problems. The fact that the .WPD format it uses hasn't changed since the early 90s should also help. -- Slimer Encrypt. |
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On 5/20/2015 3:00 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 20/05/2015 14:54, Slimer wrote: On 2015-05-19 8:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: e, much better than Microsoft Office. I own licenses to both and have to disagree with you. WordPerfect is better as long as you only use text. The moment you need to manipulate images in WordPerfect, it becomes clear how outdated it is. In that respect, Word is a lot better. WordPerfect is not for serious users using something as tool for business. All corporates I know of are using Microsoft Office and so they all can't be wrong. I beleive Word Perfect is prefered by the legal profession, with their complex documents. |
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On 5/20/15 1:13 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-05-20 10:31 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 5/20/15 8:20 AM, Neil Gould wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 5/19/15 6:55 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2015 19:17:53 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/19/2015 7:02 PM, Slimer wrote: One capable, the other worthless. Can you tell which is which? I was setting up my new Windows 8.1 tablet, and did not have WordPerfect installed yet, and need a word processor. To my surprise the DOS? wordprocessor MS Wordpad is include in the basic program provided with Windows 8/8.1. I only used it a little but seems a useful and up to date word processor. So you don't have to go with MS Word, or Libre, but can use WordPerfect or Wordpad. We have *very* different opinions on this. As far as I'm concerned, WordPad is not a real word processor, but is little more than a text editor. But WordPerfect is far and away the best word processor available, much better than Microsoft Office. WordPad question, Ken... I think I read somewhere, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away, that WordPad was developed or something similar from the old Microsoft Write program. Is my memory faulty or correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Write WordPad is a step above NotePad, but well below MS Write in terms of capability. Thanks, Neil, just what I wanted to know. I actually have WordPerfect for the Atari, and a computer that should run it. The comment about software piracy is/was all too true about the Atari computing world, and no doubt contributed to the demise of the platform. I've read and watched a lot of videos about the Atari ST platform and I frankly couldn't understand how it failed. Its operating system was fast (unlike AmigaOS) and very simple to use. Whether you had an HD or not made no difference because it was in ROM (unlike its competitor). It couldn't multitask like AmigaOS, but things of the sort weren't as valuable at a time when processors could barely handle multitasking anyway. It worked with a monitor or on your TV, provided MIDI connections and had a good amount of software as well as a competent sound chip. It also cost less than a Mac and could run its software provided you bought the necessary hardware. There were some multitasking options available for the ST/TT computers. One was called MultiTOS eventually, IIRC, and although I never used it, I remember it getting nice reviews. Another was called MiNT, which I never used. I think it was actually a version of Linux. There were a couple of cooperative multitasking desktops, and one was called Geneva, which I have installed on my Hades060 clone. I really liked what I could do with it from a user perspective. Since TOS was single tasking, to do something like Geneva, you had to have a boot manager program that ran at boot up, where you could selectively pick software that would run when you wanted to do some particular work. Most users today would find that to be a PITA, but back then, it couldn't be beat. Once I installed Geneva, and discovered the wonders of multitasking, I knew that was the only way for my computer uses to evolve. Multitasking fits the way I think. There were also alternative desktops, so if you didn't like the simplistic Atari desktop, based on the GEM desktop, you could have something that was more flexible and more sophisticated in many ways. Then there were accessories, that I think worked like task switching on PCs. I never used task switchers so I don't know for sure. The Atari accessories would read the contents of RAM, store it to the hard drive, and then load a previously saved RAM session, and you would be right back at the spot you were working when you saved the RAM session. Not multitasking per se, but getting close. MIDI... Never used it for music, but I've heard it was a long, long time before anything on the PC or Mac surpassed those abilities. You could even network two Atari computers together using the MIDI ports. I had an ST1040 and Mega4 connected this way and still have the cables. Slow by today's standards, but better than the alternative of sneaker net. There were a couple Mac options. I had a cartridge called Spectre GCR, and could run System 6 and all the software. There was also a hardwired 8087 PC board for the ST series, which I installed. That was my first experience with DOS, and it was 3.3. So crappy to use compared to TOS on the Atari. Back then, companies like Borland wrote their software for many platforms. A lot of PC programmers would write their code in C on the Atari, then compile the finished product for the PC. The fact that there were 4 windows to work in and test their code in made for faster program creation. There was hardware superiority too. The ST line had a 32 bit processor and a 16 bit buss. The TT had the same 32 bit processor, but also had a 32 bit buss. I think the PCs were still using 8 bits at the time. It HAD to be software piracy. I truly don't understand what else could have gone wrong because they also focused on releasing ever more compelling versions of the ST unlike Amiga. It is incredibly sad to see what happened to a platform which honestly seemed superior to the PC until at least 1988. I think poor management also played a part. Things really started going downhill when the son took over for the father. I think, personally, the PC took off when Gates got the government contracts, and the government started saying electronic submissions had to be in certain file formats, obviously from software written for PCs. An interesting Atari/Amiga trivia fact, the original prototype that became AmigaOS was called the Lorraine. It was first offered to Atari which turned it down, and Commordore picked it up. This is what was published in the computer magazines of the time, so I don't believe the information you'll find on Wikipedia in the Amiga Corporation is totally correct. I had those old magazines until they got wet and were destroyed. :-( FWIW, there's still an active Atari hobbyist network, and much of the original system has been updated, including a current close. Screenshots I've seen are really nice. I'd like to update my Hades someday, but it will probably never happen. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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