New Moon

I thought maybe this warrants its own thread. All this
time I never knew there were Pale Moon updates for XP.
Here's the link, for anyone who's interested:

https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/?sort=date&order=desc

I've been trying it out and finding it's a good match
to my old PM 24. Just a coupl of minor glitches. But
I'm having trouble figuring out extensions.
Download Helper 6.3.1 works fine in the 2/19, 24.4
version. DH 6.3.3 installs but doesn't show up
properly. No errors. In the newest 2/23 version,
New Moon spits it out and says "Jetpack SDK" is no
longer supported. Yet the WebExtension version,
7.3, is also not supported. I'd be curious to learn
if anyone knows the details of the politics, tech
and timeframe involved with all these different
extensions.

Mayayana wrote:
I thought maybe this warrants its own thread. All this
time I never knew there were Pale Moon updates for XP.
Here's the link, for anyone who's interested:

https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/?sort=date&order=desc

I've been trying it out and finding it's a good match
to my old PM 24. Just a coupl of minor glitches. But
I'm having trouble figuring out extensions.
Download Helper 6.3.1 works fine in the 2/19, 24.4
version. DH 6.3.3 installs but doesn't show up
properly. No errors. In the newest 2/23 version,
New Moon spits it out and says "Jetpack SDK" is no
longer supported. Yet the WebExtension version,
7.3, is also not supported. I'd be curious to learn
if anyone knows the details of the politics, tech
and timeframe involved with all these different
extensions.

It's confusing, isn't it. The current version is version 28.x. What I
don't understand is why there is a version 27.x in there too, unless he's
trying to keep updates of two different versions of PM for some reason. Do
you have any idea as to why?

Mayayana wrote:

I thought maybe this warrants its own thread. All this time I never
knew there were Pale Moon updates for XP. Here's the link, for anyone
who's interested:

https://o.rths.cf/palemoon/?sort=date&order=desc

(I wrote the below commentary before realizing to where you URL
pointed.)

You asked about Pale Moon (https://www.palemoon.org/) and yet you point
to a site for updates to *New Moon" which was later renamed to Basilisk
(https://basilisk-browser.org/). Pale Moon ceased support for Windows
XP, so you moved to an even older fork of Pale Moon called New Moon
which got renamed by its lone author to Basilisk. So, did you also
uninstall Pale Moon and install New Moon, er, Basilisk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilisk_(web_browser)

I've been trying it out and finding it's a good match to my old PM 24.
Just a coupl of minor glitches. But I'm having trouble figuring out
extensions. Download Helper 6.3.1 works fine in the 2/19, 24.4
version. DH 6.3.3 installs but doesn't show up properly. No errors.
In the newest 2/23 version, New Moon spits it out and says "Jetpack
SDK" is no longer supported. Yet the WebExtension version, 7.3, is
also not supported. I'd be curious to learn if anyone knows the
details of the politics, tech and timeframe involved with all these
different extensions.

Pale Moon is old-style Firefox. Mozilla moved from the old or legacy
extensions that used the XPCOM/XUL programming model to use Google's
WebExtension model. That was big deal breaker for many users where the
old extensions were no longer usable in Quantum version of Firefox.
Pale Moon is from an old fork of Firefox ESR 38 (Firefox is now up to
version 65, and 57 was its Quantum release). Pale Moon is not
multi-process like Firefox (it took years for Mozilla to catch up with
Chromium) and Pale Moon only supports legacy extensions of which many
have been abandoned by their authors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser)

You need to get extensions only through Pale Moon's store at:

https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/

I would think Pale Moon would take you there when you used it to hunt
for extensions. When I did a search on "download" at Pale Moon's
extension store, there was no Download Helper listed nor was it listed
at https://addons.palemoon.org/extensio...ad-management/ for their
group of extensions for download management.

UPDATE: After visiting your URL link above, I see you were looking at
add-ons aka extensions for New Moon which got renamed to Basilisk, and
not for Pale Moon. Go to that web browser's add-ons page to see which
ones are usable with that web browser, which is at:
https://addons.basilisk-browser.org/extensions/
Nope, didn't see a Download Helper extension there, either.

Just *WHICH WEB BROWSER ARE YOU REALLY USING?* If Pale Moon, use the
extensions available at its extensions store. If New Moon aka Basilisk,
use extensions for that. For help specific to Pale Moon, visit their
forums at:

https://forum.palemoon.org/

For New Moon later renamed to Basilisk, its community over at:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewforum.php?f=61

As for Jetpack coded extensions, see:

https://developer.palemoon.org/Add-o...nsions/Jetpack

It hasn't been developed for even longer (back to 2013); see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetpack_(Firefox_project)

"VanguardLH" wrote

|
| You asked about Pale Moon (https://www.palemoon.org/) and yet you point
| to a site for updates to *New Moon" which was later renamed to Basilisk
| (https://basilisk-browser.org/).

It's confusing. As near as I can tell, Basilisk is
an ongoing FF beta made by the Mozilla people.
It has nothing to do with New Moon and doesn't
support XP.

New Moon is a version of Pale Moon made by
a mysterious person "RT" and compatible with XP.
I'm using New Moon and Pale Moon for XP
interchangeably because both are used. The
download is Pale Moon. The file download and the
folder inside are both named Pale Moon. The
executable is Pale Moon. The GUI and About
say New Moon.

Notice on the page I linked, the links
for download all say palemoon-......7z. At the top it
says, "Welcome to New Moon (a.k.a. Pale Moon for XP)
binary directory".

New Moon is not among the official variants
listed on the Pale Moon site.

| Pale Moon only supports legacy extensions of which many
| have been abandoned by their authors.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser)
|

I've never done that in the past. There are
extensions targetted at PM but I generally just
go for the basic FF versions and they work fine.
I'm not using WebExtensions. My FF is 52 and
my PM/NM is now 28. What I can't figure out is
why some later versions of older extensions are
not compatible. I thought there were only two
types. Yet DH 6.3.1 works fine in NM while 6.3.3
will not work properly and 7 will not install at all.
But 7 may be a WebExtension version. I expect
there's some reason I've only updated to 6.3.3
in FF 52.

"Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote

| It's confusing, isn't it. The current version is version 28.x. What I
| don't understand is why there is a version 27.x in there too, unless he's
| trying to keep updates of two different versions of PM for some reason.
Do
| you have any idea as to why?
|
I hadn't noticed that. I thought it was 29.
The plot thickens. So it's a later compile of an
older version that wasn't working with DH.

"Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote in
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What happened to Moonchild? IIRC, he was the author of the
original Pale Moon. Has he stopped developing it, and is instead
letting Roy Tam pick up the development? IIRC, Moonchild's later
versions of PM were no longer compatible with XP, but I thought he
was still developing Pale Moon (for Win 7, etc).

The official, supported Pale Moon browser is still actively being
developed, but they stopped supporting Windows XP. For a list of the
primary developers including Moonchild (M.C. Straver), see:
https://www.palemoon.org/info.shtml

Roy Tam is one of two people who takes Pale Moon's source code and
patches it, making his own private builds to run on Windows XP. His
work is unofficial and unsupported, so it's not really "Pale Moon" any
more. See the discussion "Building Palemoon 27 For XP":
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic...6241&start=220

Mark Blain wrote:
"Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote in
:

What happened to Moonchild? IIRC, he was the author of the
original Pale Moon. Has he stopped developing it, and is instead
letting Roy Tam pick up the development? IIRC, Moonchild's later
versions of PM were no longer compatible with XP, but I thought he
was still developing Pale Moon (for Win 7, etc).

The official, supported Pale Moon browser is still actively being
developed, but they stopped supporting Windows XP. For a list of the
primary developers including Moonchild (M.C. Straver), see:
https://www.palemoon.org/info.shtml

Roy Tam is one of two people who takes Pale Moon's source code and
patches it, making his own private builds to run on Windows XP. His
work is unofficial and unsupported, so it's not really "Pale Moon" any
more. See the discussion "Building Palemoon 27 For XP":
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic...6241&start=220

Thanks for the info.

I'm now using NM/PM version 28.x, which seems to be working fine on Windows
XP. I don't see much point in his keeping the 27.x version now, but he
still lists it in his binaries along with the 28.x versions. I'm assuming
someone might still want the older version or be afraid to take the plunge
to the uipdated 28.x version, which also runs on Windows XP.