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Sound schemes (was: Switch to classic mode after installing /without/ using the GUI)
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , R.Wieser writes: [] Grumble ... Stupid Windows. You cannot even export/import your preferences. :-( :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser I was irritated by that years ago - I think it might even have been in '9x, but certainly XP (and almost certainly later) - when I set up a sound scheme (what sounds go with what events), and "saved" it: it doesn't ask you where, and of course in practice it doesn't save it as a file, but in the registry _only_. (Fair enough, has to be in memory _while running_, but. If nothing else you can't - easily, at least - copy them from one machine to another. The trick is to set up the two computers side by side, and then do each one individually, by looking at the first one and modifying the second one, one by one. :-) Granted, it still takes a bit of time, however. |
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What you are trying to do is very dangerous!
But, if you have already done it all on one XP, then you should be able to export all your registry changes (into a *.reg file); edit it to remove (with the minus operator)--(* this is the dangerous part) the keys you are changing--(e.g., "[-HK....]" or '"Value-Name"=-' each followed immediately by the NEW Registry HKey or Value-Name); transfer it to the new XP; then merge it into that XP's Windows-Registry. (* The danger is that you might remove too much: something that isn't in your changes, but needs to be there in the new XP.--For this reason, using the Value-Name method is safer than using the Registry HKey method.) |
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James,
What you are trying to do is very dangerous! It is ? Why do you think so ? Do you think its more or less dangerous than randomly changing stuff in configuration dialogs ? :-) you should be able to export all your registry changes Not really. Some of the changes are one byte (or even a bit) outof a series of them (meaning: I do not want to change/overwrite any other setting in there). Like enableing 'Quick Launch'. Or setting the display-mode (list, icons, etc) of the filebrowser. (with the minus operator) :-) Yep, found out about that a number of years ago. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:41:42 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:
JJ, Key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer Value Name: ShellState Data Offset: 0x20 Data Byte: 1 = Classic, 3 = New Alas, that one only changes the start menu. Also, the value I used is 0x20 (from 0x00). The classic and new mode is only for the Start Menu. The taskbar doesn't have this mode. And that 0x20 is the offset to the data, not the value of the data. Global default file view: Key: HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Exp lorer\Streams Value Name: Settings Data Offset: 0x04 Data Byte: 1 = icons, 3 = list, 4 = details, 5 = tiles, 6 = thumbnails Can you tell me when this setting is used (by the OS I mean) ? I've changed the value, but when opening folders it still shows the contents in the old mode (also after rebooting). Correction: that should be user's default instead of global default. It's used when a namespace doesn't have any default file view yet. Basically, if there's no file view setting for the current folder, get it from the namespace's default file view setting. If the namespace's default is also absent, get it from the user's default. If the user's default is also absent, get it from the system's default (i.e. from the SHELL32.DLL). You can apply the registry settings by forcefully closing the desktop process, but if you also need those lazy-written settings to be apllied into the registry, you'll need to gracefully close the desktop process. Quite a catch22. To get it to work I would need to apply the "normal" settings first (and reboot), after which I apply the "abnormal" ones and make the desktop "crash" (close forcefully). Hmmm ... It might be wise to forcefully close the desktop process before applying your settings because the process might have some data in disk write cache. So, closing it first will make sure that there are no more data queued into the disk write cache. |
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JJ,
The classic and new mode is only for the Start Menu. The taskbar doesn't have this mode. You're confusing me there. The taskbar certainly does have a classic mode. But I agree with you that particular change only gouverns the start menu (alas...). And that 0x20 is the offset to the data, not the value of the data. Its both. And yes, I also marveled at the coincidence of it. :-) Can you tell me when this setting is used (by the OS I mean) ? .... It's used when a namespace doesn't have any default file view yet. Ah. Thats why some tweaks remove all those other "bags" entries from the registry. Worth a try. It might be wise to forcefully close the desktop process before applying your settings ??? I though that doing that would automatically reboot the 'puter ... (which means that applying changes after doing that would not be a ... problematic thing to do (reboot during applying changes and all that) ). Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. I've mentioned that I would probably try to have AutoIt have a go at it. Alas, its wrought with its own problems. :-( :-) |
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Switch to classic mode after installing /without/ using the GUI
Why don't you ask woody?
https://www.askwoody.com/ https://www.computerworld.com/blog/woody-on-windows/ |
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James ,
Why don't you ask woody? Do you think Google will have indexed Woody's articles ? My searches on Google did not turn up anything in that regard. Besides, a quick look shows a "popular windows" kind of magazine. Not the kind of environment I expect yesteryears (make that yester /decade/-and-a-half + ) info to pop up. :-) But just to humor myself I threw an "xp preferences registry" into Woody's "lounge" searchbox. Four results, and none even near to XP. :-| Heck, just throwing "XP" or "XPsp3" in there doesn't give results anything near to it back (but again, four results). :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:26:15 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:
JJ, The classic and new mode is only for the Start Menu. The taskbar doesn't have this mode. You're confusing me there. The taskbar certainly does have a classic mode. Prehaps you're referring to the Windows visual style which is changeable via Display control panel. i.e. Classic and XP. AFAIK, that's the only thing which make the taskbar looks different (functionalities are still the same, though). It might be wise to forcefully close the desktop process before applying your settings ??? I though that doing that would automatically reboot the 'puter ... (which means that applying changes after doing that would not be a ... problematic thing to do (reboot during applying changes and all that) ). I remember that too, but that doesn't apply to Windows XP and newer versions. It's probably Win9x that may cause the system to reboot/shutdown if the desktop process is forcefully terminated. In XP +, you can actually terminate the desktop process, apply your settings, then run EXPLORER.EXE to start the desktop process again. P.s. I've mentioned that I would probably try to have AutoIt have a go at it. Alas, its wrought with its own problems. :-( :-) What kind of problems? AutoIt is a pretty good scripting software in overall, IMO. |
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JJ,
Prehaps you're referring to the Windows visual style :-) You may call it what you want, for me it fits under the header "switching to classic mode" (together with changing the start menu). Prehaps you're referring to the Windows visual style which is changeable via Display control panel. i.e. Classic and XP. Yep, that one. Funny that the desktop and the taskbar are gouverned by different registry settings though. I remember that too, but that doesn't apply to Windows XP and newer versions. Ah. It's probably Win9x that may cause the system to reboot/ shutdown if the desktop process is forcefully terminated. That is probably what I'm remembering (have been using 98se until just a couple of years ago). In XP +, you can actually terminate the desktop process, apply your settings, then run EXPLORER.EXE to start the desktop process again. Shucks. Now you say it I remember having done that before (can't remember what I was busy with at the time though). What kind of problems? AutoIt is a pretty good scripting software in overall, IMO. It is. Years ago I've even made a multi-group IRC client with it (not that I really needed it, but just to see if it could be done :-) ) The thing is that I tried to to automate "Folder Options" - "View", and could not read or alter the checkboxes in the TreeView there. It turns out what /looks/ like checkboxes (and radio buttons) where in fact not, but instead re-purposed "filetype" item images. But before I discovered that I tried to get the mouse to the correct spot and just MouseClick() the item - which was where I found out that there is no easy way to get the actual (absolute) position of a TreeView item. When I than tried to combine the locations of the dialog, the treeview and its item the resulting (absolute) coordinate did not cause the mouse to move ontop of the item itself (the combined locations of the dialog and the TreeView pointed to somewhere quite a bit above the TreeView itself). Not funny. In short, I've been going thru quite a bit of testing-and-trying before discovering another, the easier way to do it. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-7, R.Wieser wrote:
James , Why don't you ask woody? Do you think Google will have indexed Woody's articles ? My searches on Google did not turn up anything in that regard. Besides, a quick look shows a "popular windows" kind of magazine. Not the kind of environment I expect yesteryears (make that yester /decade/-and-a-half + ) info to pop up. :-) But just to humor myself I threw an "xp preferences registry" into Woody's "lounge" searchbox. Four results, and none even near to XP. :-| Heck, just throwing "XP" or "XPsp3" in there doesn't give results anything near to it back (but again, four results). :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser I meant that you put your question in one of his forums, too, for all the experts there to help answer it. |
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Switch to classic mode after installing /without/ using the GUI
James,
I meant that you put your question in one of his forums, too, for all the experts there to help answer it. I'll think about it. But I'm not really inclined to register on fora just to post a single question. Also, whats the chance that on a "popular windows" site like that there are still people that still know about XP ? No, I think that the chance that I will get bombarded with rethorical "why are you still using an obsolete OS like that ?" replies is much larger. :-( Thanks for thre suggestion though. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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