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On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Above you troll me and play.

I've done nothing of the sort.

You repeat accusations which have been fully responded to but you
dishonesty pretend otherwise.

I've made a valid accusation against you, yes. You have not fully
responded to it, aside from attempting to evade it. I have not in any
way been dishonest with you, nor have I attempted to mislead you. You
often use the word pretend, but, I don't see the context, especially
in this case.

What do you hope to gain from your trolling games?

I'm not playing any games with you snit, and, I already told you what
my actual goal is here. You accused me of trying to manipulate
others, and most recently, wrote we should wait and see how well it's
working.

Did you write that in preperation of your upcoming defense in the
event you're called out by others? - You can see the tables starting
to turn here too, huh? It's not my doing snit, it's all you.

It would make sense, especially considering that's not what I'm
doing. All I've done, snit, is given you a stage for which you to
show us what you're made of. Or, in your case, aren't. You aren't
quite as honest as you portrayed yourself to be.

I see nothing other than a way for you to avoid speaking of this
great insight you must surely have on the flood bot output, code,
and coder.

Why Snit, are you showing me that you get sarcasm on occasion? If so,
I like it. Very good.

Curious how you avoid that.

A little tip, this last line ruins the 'drop the mic' effect you had
going there - yea, I'll give you full credit, you had it there for
sure. I'll let you slide this time, I'm really impressed with your
attempt to be sarastic. I like it! Hey, maybe there's some hope for
you yet, snit. A little work on your ethics concerning telling
stories and you might actually be a useful human being.




You go FAR off topic and do a lot of victim games and the like, but
let's get back to the topic.


-----
I will grant that it seems like an obvious "next step" to
have the bot break apart sentences and respond to
keywords, but that is more my thing that Carroll's (I do
it with my chat bot). So if I were to make such a bot,
yes, I would want it to do that... but does Carroll even
want it to? I think the main purpose is Google seeding...
and it does that well.

Without knowing more of the purpose we cannot say if the
output shows the code to be good or not. One has to see
the code to know that.
-----

Have you decided if your response, which focused on disassembling code,
was or was not on topic of what I was writing about: the flood bot and
its output, code, and coder?

If you can decide that, and give a clear answer, we will have some
clarity on this exchange you are having such a hard time moving on from.
So far, though, your answer has had strong echos of Schrodinger.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:17:51
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

How long did it take you to "come clean"?

No answer. Hmmm...

If you really wanted one, you could have googled, or asked David via
email.

You are the one who spoke of it. I asked you. I have no such desire for
such games.

You have nothing to write about davids lack of full disclosure
and intentional efforts to mislead would be readers, Snit? Is
this the best you can do to try and get the subject off of David?


No answer Snit? Hmm...

I know you and David have a history. I take no sides and do not dig
back. For either of you.

It's no wonder you've grown so fond of Snit. You and him share
the same moral compass.

You really hate how I respond to your trolling. Let it go. Stop
trolling and you don't have to worry about how I respond to it.

In response Diesel plays victim.

Umm, I don't follow. Explain, pls?

First: thanks for admitting you did not understand what you read. Your
victim game was to act like you were being victimized by my
non-threatening replies to your trolling. Does that help you to understand?

Is there a particular reason you interrupt the flow of the message in
this manner? I can only think of one reason, and you wouldn't like
it; so I'll wait for your explanation. Maybe it's different than what
I think?

When you and others troll with the method of going grossly off topic I
stick to the topic.

....

You wanting to rehash the last few posts snipped. Not a game I want to play.

I bet you play victim over it.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Snit
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 04:18:03 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:17:51
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

How long did it take you to "come clean"?

No answer. Hmmm...

If you really wanted one, you could have googled, or asked David
via email.

You are the one who spoke of it. I asked you. I have no such
desire for such games.

I spoke of it in defense of myself, because David mislead people. And
your question was nothing more than a weak (read **** poor) attempt
to further defend David.

You have nothing to write about davids lack of full disclosure
and intentional efforts to mislead would be readers, Snit? Is
this the best you can do to try and get the subject off of
David?


No answer Snit? Hmm...

I know you and David have a history. I take no sides and do not
dig back. For either of you.

That's bull****, Snit. you don't question a thing David writes about
me, but if I respond to his nonsense, you question me.

It's no wonder you've grown so fond of Snit. You and him
share the same moral compass.

You really hate how I respond to your trolling. Let it go.
Stop trolling and you don't have to worry about how I respond
to it.

In response Diesel plays victim.

Umm, I don't follow. Explain, pls?

First: thanks for admitting you did not understand what you read.
Your victim game was to act like you were being victimized by my
non-threatening replies to your trolling. Does that help you to
understand?

It helps me to understand that you're trying to spin things into
something else entirely, yes. It's also an attempt by you to get me
on your level. Equal footing perhaps, but, ehh, no, that won't work
either. I don't have problems with reading comprehension; I couldn't
do my work if I did. You, oth, have demonstrated in multiple threads
now, that you actually do, or you're doing a damn good job of faking
it for trolling purposes. I'm still on the fence there.

Is there a particular reason you interrupt the flow of the
message in this manner? I can only think of one reason, and you
wouldn't like it; so I'll wait for your explanation. Maybe it's
different than what I think?

When you and others troll with the method of going grossly off
topic I stick to the topic.

Except, well, that's not even close to what you tried doing here. And
you danced around my question, even after I told you I suspected you
weren't upto anything good. So, I strongly suspect the reason I
thought you did it was indeed, the reason you did. Trolling.

You wanting to rehash the last few posts snipped. Not a game I
want to play.

rehash.. is this your word for not interested in discussing something
you wrote previously, IN ERROR, about another individual Snit? You
seem to have a tendency for doing that too.

I bet you play victim over it.

I bet you make all kinds of predictions based on your own actions,
Snit. problem is, this isn't cola. You aren't going to be running the
show here at any point in time, unless the show is called ridicule
and you're the punchline.





--
Life is a sandwich, and it's always lunchtime.

Snit
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 03:57:00 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

You go FAR off topic and do a lot of victim games and the like,
but let's get back to the topic.

far off topic.. victim games.. pure nonsense, well documented
nonsense you like to spew when things aren't going your way.

If you can decide that, and give a clear answer, we will have some
clarity on this exchange you are having such a hard time moving on
from. So far, though, your answer has had strong echos of
Schrodinger.

I'm not having a hard time moving on. I'm delaying on purpose. I know
you lied, you know you lied, And, I'm enjoying watching you try to
wiggle your way out of what you did, several times now.

You aren't doing yourself any favors by continuing down this path,
but I see absolutely no reason to discourage it. You tried to tell us
all that your detractors were wrong, that they lied on you; but that
is increasingly showing not to be entirely true. Rather, your own
actions are giving credence to what they've written about you and the
things you like doing when you 'engage' in a discussion. It's on you,
Snit. I'm just giving you additional rope at this point, and,
laughing as I do so. Laughing because you thought you could play
myself, and others so easily. Laughing because you were warned, ahead
of time, and you still tried it. It's a laughable moment.



--
I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.

Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 04:18:03 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:17:51
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

How long did it take you to "come clean"?

No answer. Hmmm...

If you really wanted one, you could have googled, or asked David
via email.

You are the one who spoke of it. I asked you. I have no such
desire for such games.

I spoke of it in defense of myself, because David mislead people. And
your question was nothing more than a weak (read **** poor) attempt
to further defend David.

What comment of his do you think I am defending?

You have nothing to write about davids lack of full disclosure
and intentional efforts to mislead would be readers, Snit? Is
this the best you can do to try and get the subject off of
David?


No answer Snit? Hmm...

I know you and David have a history. I take no sides and do not
dig back. For either of you.

That's bull****, Snit. you don't question a thing David writes about
me, but if I respond to his nonsense, you question me.

What has he said you think I believed?

It's no wonder you've grown so fond of Snit. You and him
share the same moral compass.

You really hate how I respond to your trolling. Let it go.
Stop trolling and you don't have to worry about how I respond
to it.

In response Diesel plays victim.

Umm, I don't follow. Explain, pls?

First: thanks for admitting you did not understand what you read.
Your victim game was to act like you were being victimized by my
non-threatening replies to your trolling. Does that help you to
understand?

A simple “no� would have sufficed.

It helps me to understand that you're trying to spin things into
something else entirely, yes. It's also an attempt by you to get me
on your level. Equal footing perhaps, but, ehh, no, that won't work
either. I don't have problems with reading comprehension; I couldn't
do my work if I did. You, oth, have demonstrated in multiple threads
now, that you actually do, or you're doing a damn good job of faking
it for trolling purposes. I'm still on the fence there.

Is there a particular reason you interrupt the flow of the
message in this manner? I can only think of one reason, and you
wouldn't like it; so I'll wait for your explanation. Maybe it's
different than what I think?

When you and others troll with the method of going grossly off
topic I stick to the topic.

Below you try to speak for me. Not interested.

Except, well, that's not even close to what you tried doing here. And
you danced around my question, even after I told you I suspected you
weren't upto anything good. So, I strongly suspect the reason I
thought you did it was indeed, the reason you did. Trolling.

You wanting to rehash the last few posts snipped. Not a game I
want to play.

rehash.. is this your word for not interested in discussing something
you wrote previously, IN ERROR, about another individual Snit? You
seem to have a tendency for doing that too.

I have noted I have no interest in rehashing a misunderstanding we have
beaten to death and do not agree on.

Can you understand that?

I bet you play victim over it.

I bet you make all kinds of predictions based on your own actions,
Snit. problem is, this isn't cola. You aren't going to be running the
show here at any point in time, unless the show is called ridicule
and you're the punchline.

You lashed out more than played victim. My prediction was wrong.








--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

On 7/2/20 8:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 24 Jun 2020 04:18:03 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 6/23/20 8:30 PM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:37:16
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
Snit
Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:17:51
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

How long did it take you to "come clean"?

No answer. Hmmm...

If you really wanted one, you could have googled, or asked David
via email.

You are the one who spoke of it. I asked you. I have no such
desire for such games.

I spoke of it in defense of myself, because David mislead people. And
your question was nothing more than a weak (read **** poor) attempt
to further defend David.

You think David misleads people and yet suggest I ask David about you.

And where do you think I tried to defend David?

You have nothing to write about davids lack of full disclosure
and intentional efforts to mislead would be readers, Snit? Is
this the best you can do to try and get the subject off of
David?


No answer Snit? Hmm...

I know you and David have a history. I take no sides and do not
dig back. For either of you.

That's bull****, Snit. you don't question a thing David writes about
me, but if I respond to his nonsense, you question me.

What do you think I have trusted David saying about you? And if you
think he speaks dishonestly of you why did you suggest I ask him about
you via email?

Do you understand how absurd your contradictory complaints are here?

It's no wonder you've grown so fond of Snit. You and him
share the same moral compass.

You really hate how I respond to your trolling. Let it go.
Stop trolling and you don't have to worry about how I respond
to it.

In response Diesel plays victim.

Umm, I don't follow. Explain, pls?

First: thanks for admitting you did not understand what you read.
Your victim game was to act like you were being victimized by my
non-threatening replies to your trolling. Does that help you to
understand?

It helps me to understand that you're trying to spin things into
something else entirely, yes. It's also an attempt by you to get me
on your level.

I would love to have you rise to my level -- a level where we can seek
peace even though we disagree. A level where we can disagree without
making accusations. A level of basic maturity and civility.

Is thee anything I can do to help you rise to that level? I suspect not,
or if there is you are not aware of it, but I am happy to listen.

Equal footing perhaps, but, ehh, no, that won't work
either. I don't have problems with reading comprehension; I couldn't
do my work if I did. You, oth, have demonstrated in multiple threads
now, that you actually do, or you're doing a damn good job of faking
it for trolling purposes. I'm still on the fence there.

On one hand you claim I fail to understand. On the other you insist I DO
understand and "lie". Can you understand the contradiction of your
accusations?

Is there a particular reason you interrupt the flow of the
message in this manner? I can only think of one reason, and you
wouldn't like it; so I'll wait for your explanation. Maybe it's
different than what I think?

When you and others troll with the method of going grossly off
topic I stick to the topic.

Except, well, that's not even close to what you tried doing here. And
you danced around my question, even after I told you I suspected you
weren't upto anything good. So, I strongly suspect the reason I
thought you did it was indeed, the reason you did. Trolling.

Do you even know what question you mean?

I do know I fail to respond to your trolling the way you hope I do. So
be it. I have no goal to play your games with your rules -- I instead
insist on being honest.

You wanting to rehash the last few posts snipped. Not a game I
want to play.

rehash.. is this your word for not interested in discussing something
you wrote previously, IN ERROR, about another individual Snit? You
seem to have a tendency for doing that too.

1) I spoke of the Usenet flood bot.

2) You responded speaking of things that require having the code.

3) I took your response to mean you meant the flood bot.

4) You said otherwise.

5) I accepted that.

Can you understand why your obsession with this is YOUR issue and not mine?

I bet you play victim over it.

I bet you make all kinds of predictions based on your own actions,
Snit. problem is, this isn't cola. You aren't going to be running the
show here at any point in time, unless the show is called ridicule
and you're the punchline.

You are obsessing over me as much or more than those who have trolled
COLA. Well, except for Carroll, but you will NEVER catch up to him on that.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.