2004 iso 4.9 GB?

Ken Blake wrote:
On 6/24/2020 1:04 PM, Ant wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
...
I still have a 64MB thumb drive that Eset antivirus came on. I never
use the drive, but I keep it because it's a curiosity. It's about one
inch long and 1/8 of an inch thick.

"That's what she said." Try it and see if still works.

Out of curiosity, I took your suggestion and just tried it. Yes it still
works, but it's been used very seldom since I first got it years ago.


I assume it's USB1. :P



I think so.


Benchmark with HDTune ? :-)

The free version does a read benchmark.

I wouldn't be too upset with that little storage
device. It's probably made with SLC chips and can be
written 100,000 times.

Not that you'd want to.

Paul

Paul wrote:
....
My DVD+R's are 4.7 GB and it seems that the ISO
I downloaded from M$ is now 4.9GB, so no happy camping.

This normal?

Use a dual layer DVD that can go up to 8.5 GB? Discs are so dang slow
these days. You're better off with a cheap fast reusable USB flash
drive.


Buy faster blanks ?

Isn't that just for burning only?


I think some speed grade of Blu Ray, will do close
to 30MB/sec.

The DVD blanks I have here, are pretty bad, but there
are some at my store that might be 2X the speed.

But generally, finding good media today is pretty hard.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm like Verbatim DVD+R DL
8.5GB -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YD409A. I read Taiyo Yuden
brand is good.
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Arlen Holder wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:28:04 -0400, Paul wrote:

But generally, finding good media today is pretty hard.

I'm a Costco aficionado, where I used to buy the stack of, oh, maybe 100 at
a time, but they don't sell 'em anymore at Costco (AFAIK).

Which brands did they sell and you use?
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On 2020-06-24 22:33:05 +0000, Ant said:

Arlen Holder wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:28:04 -0400, Paul wrote:

But generally, finding good media today is pretty hard.

I'm a Costco aficionado, where I used to buy the stack of, oh, maybe 100 at
a time, but they don't sell 'em anymore at Costco (AFAIK).

Which brands did they sell and you use?

I still have a stack of DVD-R (Datawrite) and DVD-RW (Imation) blanks
that I bought years ago. Not sure why I'm keeping them as I'm unlikely
to ever use them.

On 6/25/20 4:37 AM, this is what Chris wrote:
On 2020-06-24 22:33:05 +0000, Ant said:

Arlen Holder wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:28:04 -0400, Paul wrote:

But generally, finding good media today is pretty hard.

I'm a Costco aficionado, where I used to buy the stack of, oh, maybe 100 at
a time, but they don't sell 'em anymore at Costco (AFAIK).

Which brands did they sell and you use?

I still have a stack of DVD-R (Datawrite) and DVD-RW (Imation) blanks that I bought years ago. Not sure why I'm keeping them as I'm unlikely
to ever use them.

Welcome to the club. I used to buy then by the 100 tubes, CD's, DVDs, printables too. Still have about 600 or so. I burn one about once
or twice a year. That one 100 pack will last me 50 years. I'm 72, do the math. :-)

Al

Big Al wrote:
On 6/23/20 2:09 PM, this is what Carlos E.R. wrote:
I have met failed sticks, but they were not mine. One was a leftover
in a drawer which worked for a bit, then failed, and another was
_used_, as in opening files with Word or whatever, instead of
copying the files once finished with the work.

My sister moved and uncovered some "computer parts that had to be
mine". She's no techie. One item was a 2.5" long usb thumb drive but
only 250MB. That got trashed quick.

Well, one of my sticks was 512MB, so double that size, but the Macrium
Reflect 'Rescue media' took only 127MB, so there you go!

VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
...
If you have to work on antique computers, do you get an added premium
atop your hourly rate? Oops, I forgot, we're talking about Windows 10.
If your customer's computers support, at least, the minimum requirements
for Windows 10, they can boot from USB.

Are there people using W10 on very old PCs?

As I recall, the general consensus is that Windows 10 is installable on
computers manufacturered within the last 2 years. With each added year
of age, stability and compability wane incrementally. There's also a
difference between "possible" and "usable".

Well, Windows 10 was introduced half of 2025 - so 5 years ago - and at
the time, Microsoft's GWX crap was happy to clobber [1] my perfectly good
8.1. system, so ...

[1] The GWX crap didn't have a 'Cancel' function, so only *looking* at
the 'upgrade' fsck-ed your system. [Yes, I rolled it back and lived
happily ever after.]

Frank Slootweg wrote:

Well, Windows 10 was introduced half of 2025 - so 5 years ago - and at
2015 ---^^^^
the time, Microsoft's GWX crap was happy to clobber [1] my perfectly
good 8.1. system, so ...

Only if you left Automatic Updates configured to automatically download
and install any and all updates. If you configured it to notify only,
or not at all and you choose when to check, you were offered the GWX
update but it was your choice to install or not.

The GWX update has several versions. When you choose to hide an update
in the WU client, it hides only that version. When a later version of
the same update is offered, you get to see that one, and have to hide
the update again. Back then, there was a GWX Control Panel applet
(http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/) that ran in the background to
check if the GWX update was getting pushed (and again under a new
version), but it could only be pushed if you were naive to leave WU
configured for automatic updates.

The only folks that got nailed with a forced push of GWX were those that
left the WU client configured for automatic updating. Everyone else got
a choice.

[1] The GWX crap didn't have a 'Cancel' function, so only *looking* at
the 'upgrade' fsck-ed your system. [Yes, I rolled it back and lived
happily ever after.]

GWX moves to a new version of Windows. You aren't getting an update to
the current version. So, yeah, I can see why there is no Cancel
function after you get far enough into the migration that it already
started. Rolling back is one option ... if you trust it. About as
reliable as are system restore points.

Hence the reason to have periodically scheduled backup images. If you
don't plan an escape route, then don't expect that bridge to still be
there when you want to go back. Relying on Windows to roll back an
update is risky. Use decent backup software to save images. Have it
scheduled to run the backups since humans are unreliable which often
leads to having only ancient backups that result in losing a lot of data
or configuration on a restore.

VanguardLH wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:

Well, Windows 10 was introduced half of 2025 - so 5 years ago - and at
2015 ---^^^^
the time, Microsoft's GWX crap was happy to clobber [1] my perfectly
good 8.1. system, so ...

Only if you left Automatic Updates configured to automatically download
and install any and all updates. If you configured it to notify only,
or not at all and you choose when to check, you were offered the GWX
update but it was your choice to install or not.

Yes, but - as I said in the footnote - you could not *look* at what
the 'upgrade' was about. If you looked, you could *not* back-out/cancel/
whatever. You could only delay upto 3 days and within those 3 days you
had to delay again, ad infinitum.

[GWX Control Panel stuff deleted.]

The only folks that got nailed with a forced push of GWX were those that
left the WU client configured for automatic updating. Everyone else got
a choice.

[1] The GWX crap didn't have a 'Cancel' function, so only *looking* at
the 'upgrade' fsck-ed your system. [Yes, I rolled it back and lived
happily ever after.]

GWX moves to a new version of Windows. You aren't getting an update to
the current version. So, yeah, I can see why there is no Cancel
function after you get far enough into the migration that it already
started. Rolling back is one option ... if you trust it. About as
reliable as are system restore points.

No, the migration had not started at all. You were just in the very
first screen and were screwed already.

We have two systems, as far as I know I force-aborted/repaired mine
and roll-back SWMBO's. (I wanted to try 10 on hers, but it wasn't ready
for prime time at all, not by a long shot.)

Hence the reason to have periodically scheduled backup images. If you
don't plan an escape route, then don't expect that bridge to still be
there when you want to go back. Relying on Windows to roll back an
update is risky. Use decent backup software to save images. Have it
scheduled to run the backups since humans are unreliable which often
leads to having only ancient backups that result in losing a lot of data
or configuration on a restore.

I do image (and file) backups. But by doing a restore, you always lose
*something*, some recent changes, some work, some time, etc.. Just
*looking* at an upgrade - which was brand new and largely undocumented
at the time - should not be a point of no return. That's my point.

[I still have my notes of the time, but as there's no point, I don't
want to waste my time dragging up old details.]

On 2020-06-23 11:28, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You don't have any USB flash or HDD drives?

Not my equipment. I have two w7's to downgrade
next week and I have no idea if their bios will
boot a flash drive. So I will show up with two
flash drives and one DVD.

But if their equipment is old, will it have a DVD drive? Might just be
a CD drive. If the images gets larger than what can fit on a DVD drive,
will they have a Blu-ray drive? You'll need to tote a media wallet to
carry all the possible choices.

Why Vanguard. Do yo not know that I am a jack of all trades?
(I carry a portable USB drive with me. I have had to since
DVD/CD/Bluray drives are installed by default anymore.)


If you have to work on antique computers, do you get an added premium
atop your hourly rate?

I will work on any computer, even DOS computer, for the same
price. About three years back, I repaired a manufacturing
DOS machine (it ran about 50 sewing machines at once).
The software company had gome belly up years about. I
had to replace their keyboard and CMOS battery. Oh boy,
what a trip down memory lane to configure her bios for her
hard drive. Since the numbers did not match on her drive,
it was a lot of trial and error. I prevailed.

Oops, I forgot, we're talking about Windows 10.
If your customer's computers support, at least, the minimum requirements
for Windows 10, they can boot from USB.

In an ideal world only. BIOS'es suck when it comes to booting
off a USB drive. And some are especially pains-in-the-asses
when they are set to boot off the Windows Boot Manager (from
hell).

On 2020-06-23 17:17, VanguardLH wrote:
I've had mobos with USB boot option for 18 years.

You live a sheltered life!

:-)

On 2020-06-24 15:21, Ant wrote:
Paul wrote:
...
My DVD+R's are 4.7 GB and it seems that the ISO
I downloaded from M$ is now 4.9GB, so no happy camping.

This normal?

Use a dual layer DVD that can go up to 8.5 GB? Discs are so dang slow
these days. You're better off with a cheap fast reusable USB flash
drive.


Buy faster blanks ?

Isn't that just for burning only?


I think some speed grade of Blu Ray, will do close
to 30MB/sec.

The DVD blanks I have here, are pretty bad, but there
are some at my store that might be 2X the speed.

But generally, finding good media today is pretty hard.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm like Verbatim DVD+R DL
8.5GB -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YD409A. I read Taiyo Yuden
brand is good.


When you don't know what you are going to walk into,
DL's are off the table. A lot of drives won't
work with them.

On 2020-06-23 11:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:
But none that failedÂ*monthsÂ*afterÂ*beingÂ*burnt.

I burn my from Linux's K3B. It has an option
to double check the checksum against the original.
Never had a problem with them after they passed
the check sum

When I use to use other burners, oh holy s...

On 2020-06-25 12:31, T wrote:
WhyÂ*Vanguard.Â*Â*DoÂ*yoÂ*notÂ*knowÂ*thatÂ*IÂ*amÂ* aÂ*jackÂ*ofÂ*allÂ*trades?
(I carry a portable USB drive with me.Â* I have had to since
DVD/CD/BlurayÂ*drivesÂ*areÂ*installedÂ*byÂ*defaultÂ*anymo re.)

Type corrected:

Why Vanguard. Do you not know that I am a jack of all
trades?

I carry a portable USB drive with me. I have
had to since DVD/CD/Bluray drives are NOT installed by
default anymore.

I have on occasion been handed a CD/DVD to install a
customer's software on a computer with no DVD drive.

It is a living

T wrote:
On 2020-06-23 11:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:
But none that failed months after being burnt.

I burn my from Linux's K3B. It has an option
to double check the checksum against the original.
Never had a problem with them after they passed
the check sum

When I use to use other burners, oh holy s...



When you read-verify a burned disc, the disc has the
benefit of using Reed-Solomon error correction. This
means, even if the disc was at the 10^4 error level,
it would still pass verify.

Raw scanning a disc, to pick up the errors that Reed-Solomon
sees, is a more sensitive test of burn quality. Error
rates from raw reads are never zero. A rate of 10 errors
is more typical of good media. The graph of the scan
can vary from 10^1 to 10^4, around a factor of 1000.
Once the error rate goes over 10^4, the groove tracking
usually fails and the optical drive will show physical
symptoms of being "lost".

By doing such a scan on a newly burned disc, you're
determining how "marginal" the burn is. A 10^4 error
rate, in a few months, may fail to track properly.

The discs between 10^1 to 10^4 will all appear to
"have good checksums", but it's a question of
how much remaining margin there is that counts.
And for that, a raw disc read, and working out
how many errors are present, indicates either the
quality of media or the quality of the burn (no
tag, random power level selected for burn).

The cdfreaks forum is still around, although with some
migration damage.

https://club.myce.com/t/interpreting...scans/67544/34

At one time, error scans were an obsession. This
drive is doing pretty good, as there are no scans
in the terrible category.

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/nec3500/index.html

Paul