Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:

Try and set up an iPhone without an iCloud account.
Even if you could do it the phone is crippled.

Hi Thomas E.,

Regarding the errant claims by Alan Baker in this thread he authored:
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI
"You can no longer set up a new PC without creating a Microsoft Account"

Alan Baker posts purely for his own amusement... and he's always wrong.
o Much like a child, he spends _zero_ energy to get his facts straight

When you provide facts to apologists - they simply call all facts lies
o And, of course, like childish bullies - they call bearers of facts liars

As with cultists or flat earthers - facts are _dangerous_ to apologists.
o The only way apologists can process facts is to simply deny they exist.

Apple apologists like Alan Baker don't seem to ever care about actual facts
o Does anyone on this newsgroup ever deal with FACTS?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACAP8ckqmeo

You are stating facts, which, over time, will get you filtered on this ng.
o People on this ng _hate_ almost all actual facts about Apple products.

They prefer to live in the imaginary world crafted for them by MARKETING.

FACTS:
1. *An iOS device sans an iCloud account is crippled* (you can't add apps).
2. In addition, you're stuck with the _Apple advertiser ID privacy hole_.
3. Less important, the paltry 5GB iCloud storage is ridiculously puny.

FACTS:
1. *An Android device sans a Google account works just fine.
2. In addition, the advertiser ID privacy hole simply doesn't exist.*
3. Less important, you can still have 15GB cloud storage if you want it.

FACTS:
1. *I have Windows 10 Home & Pro and I do NOT have a Microsoft Account.*
2. In addition, you can turn off the Microsoft Windows advertising ID
Settings Privacy General {turn everything off}
3. Less important, Microsoft offers "OneCloud" storage, but it's paltry.
--
The only time I needed a Microsoft ID was when I converted a few
inexpensive Windows 10S laptops to Windows 10 Home, where the conversion
_required_ a momentary Microsoft Account, which I then deleted.

On 6/28/2020 4:50 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Thomas E. wrote:

Try and set up an iPhone without an iCloud account.
Even if you could do it the phone is crippled.

Hi Thomas E.,

Regarding the errant claims by Alan Baker in this thread he authored:
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI
"You can no longer set up a new PC without creating a Microsoft Account"

Alan Baker posts purely for his own amusement... and he's always wrong.
o Much like a child, he spends _zero_ energy to get his facts straight

When you provide facts to apologists - they simply call all facts lies
o And, of course, like childish bullies - they call bearers of facts liars

As with cultists or flat earthers - facts are _dangerous_ to apologists.
o The only way apologists can process facts is to simply deny they exist.

Apple apologists like Alan Baker don't seem to ever care about actual facts
o Does anyone on this newsgroup ever deal with FACTS?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACAP8ckqmeo

You are stating facts, which, over time, will get you filtered on this ng.
o People on this ng _hate_ almost all actual facts about Apple products.

They prefer to live in the imaginary world crafted for them by MARKETING.

FACTS:
1. *An iOS device sans an iCloud account is crippled* (you can't add apps).
2. In addition, you're stuck with the _Apple advertiser ID privacy hole_.
3. Less important, the paltry 5GB iCloud storage is ridiculously puny.

FACTS:
1. *An Android device sans a Google account works just fine.
2. In addition, the advertiser ID privacy hole simply doesn't exist.*
3. Less important, you can still have 15GB cloud storage if you want it.

FACTS:
1. *I have Windows 10 Home & Pro and I do NOT have a Microsoft Account.*
2. In addition, you can turn off the Microsoft Windows advertising ID
Settings Privacy General {turn everything off}
3. Less important, Microsoft offers "OneCloud" storage, but it's paltry.

I have not had a MS account since I upgraded from Windows 8. When I
installed Windows 10, I created a MS account because it seem you had to.
A short time later I created a local account and have gone through
18xx, 19xx, and now installed 2004 and a couple of fixes, without
accessing the MS account. In fact I don't know if it is even active, or
if it is I have no idea what the pass word is.

On 2020-06-28, knuttle wrote:
I have not had a MS account since I upgraded from Windows 8. When I
installed Windows 10, I created a MS account because it seem you had to.

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

It is also a good idea to turn off all of the "features" offered during
setup, then go into the privacy settings and turn everything off that
you do not specifically need.

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

Agreed that it's simple to tell Microsoft to "skip" creation of the
Microsoft Account (exact same with Android - you just "skip" it).

However, the OP, Alan Baker "claimed" it's difficult on the Mac forums:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:47:26 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
Setting up a new PC for a client today (she had a panic when for some
reason her laptop went into its BIOS-based diagnostic mode while in her
case while driving home and now she doesn't trust it), and I have many
observations of the silliness that is Microsoft:

Here are a few:

1. You can no longer set up a new PC without creating a Microsoft
Account; no local account option is available anymore; not at least
running Windows 10 Home. Yes: there is apparently a workaround where you
cut off the machine from internet access before trying to create the
account, but it's still ridiculous that you're forced to use a fudge.

2. (And I should have mentioned this ages ago)...

...why is there no built-in utility for migrating your data from an old
PC????

It is also a good idea to turn off all of the "features" offered during
setup, then go into the privacy settings and turn everything off that
you do not specifically need.

Regarding the useful suggestion from Roger Blake:

It is also a good idea to turn off all of the "features" offered during
setup, then go into the privacy settings and turn everything off that
you do not specifically need.

Agreed that in every common consumer operating system (e.g., Android, iOS,
Windows, and maybe even Linux), it's important to change the default to
privacy-based defaults.

On Windows & on Android the privacy-based settings are scattered all about,
where some day I'll write up a comprehensive tutorial for both Windows &
Android settings (although they keep moving them about).

I've experimented with Android, in depth, for example, where it's
surprisingly easy to turn off all "known" Google apps without losing
functionality (which was a surprise, even to me that it was so easy):

For example:
o *My experiment turning all Android app permissions off*
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FKjvRYbqgIw

Where, surprisingly so, shockingly few had to be turned back on!
o https://i.postimg.cc/8Cn1nNZf/killgoogle01.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/d0Q1xWvp/killgoogle02.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/DzwR5fYf/permission00.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/Cx4m8LzJ/permission01.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/pdGC0GQF/permission02.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/xTvRrTyY/permission03.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/QxWXjCfB/permission04.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/xdc1W5Nm/permission05.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/wxcg4Z4P/permission06.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/SxHBxftC/permission07.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/L8wMJx2c/permission08.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/KjZ66VDM/permission09.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/V6wptTTV/permission10.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/HkmSks4V/permission12.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/q7m1Lf6y/permission13.jpg
o https://i.postimg.cc/fbwNRB1D/permission14.jpg

In summary, it's amazing how _easy_ it is to turn off permissions in both
Windows & Android, if you just look for the settings scattered about.
--
Someday I will spend a few days to write up and fully document the steps.
NOTE: Documentation takes far more time than does the experiment itself.

On 2020-06-28 9:26 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

Agreed that it's simple to tell Microsoft to "skip" creation of the
Microsoft Account (exact same with Android - you just "skip" it).

No, actually.

Microsoft has removed that option as a UI choice.

Not setting up your internet is a fudge.

On 2020-06-28 9:26 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

Agreed that it's simple to tell Microsoft to "skip" creation of the
Microsoft Account (exact same with Android - you just "skip" it).

Nope. It is no longer as simple as telling Microsoft to "skip" it...

....because there is no longer a button (or anything else) to click.

Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-28 9:26 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

Agreed that it's simple to tell Microsoft to "skip" creation of the
Microsoft Account (exact same with Android - you just "skip" it).

Nope. It is no longer as simple as telling Microsoft to "skip" it...

...because there is no longer a button (or anything else) to click.

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Paul

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:46:05 -0400, Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Paul

Hi Paul,

You're dealing with what Mayayana calls an "AppleSeed"...

As usual, Alan Baker is fantastically _immune_ to obvious facts!
o He just wants to complain about Windows by making up issues
o And, he wants to claim iOS is functional without an Apple ID

All sans even a single shred of actual adult cognition behind his claims.

Let's see how this Type III apologist, who claimed many times it is not
there, responds to your image showing that it _is_ actually the
o https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

Given Alan Baker is the one who authored that thread, he should respond:
o Amazing what Windows still doesn't do well.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/7BV04N_AAEI

Bear in mind Apologists like Alan Baker are so afraid of Windows & Android
that they have to fabricate completely imaginary issues that don't even
exist (even as, Lord knows, there are _plenty_ of real issues on both
platforms that we users discuss daily, openly, and factually).
o Why are apologists like Alan Baker so fantastically immune to basic
skills an adult should have on the Internet?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/4AdaprOPM-g

Let's see what 'adult' response Alan Baker has, to the facts you provided!
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the
Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/miwGEINsoFQ
--
The weird thing with Apple apologists is they feel Microsoft (Windows) &
Google (Android) are both a dire threat to their very existence; and yet,
nobody on Windows or Android feels Apple is in any way a threat to them.

On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-28 9:26 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft does its best to lie and trick people into doing so but don't
have to. Typical MS dirty tricks. Don't connect to a network until
initial setup is completed and you can create a local account. (Tell
setup you don't have internet, and to continue with "limited setup".
Then connect when you finally get to the desktop.)

Agreed that it's simple to tell Microsoft to "skip" creation of the
Microsoft Account (exact same with Android - you just "skip" it).

Nope. It is no longer as simple as telling Microsoft to "skip" it...

...because there is no longer a button (or anything else) to click.

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Paul

On 2020-06-29 5:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Â*Â* Paul

And what version of Windows 10 Home is that...

....because it is literally ALL OVER the web that Microsoft has made this
change.

Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 5:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Paul

And what version of Windows 10 Home is that...

...because it is literally ALL OVER the web that Microsoft has made this
change.

2004.

Name: Windows10-x64-2004.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA1: A0D4D131ED24646B281BCE6F4E833CBBC10C7C12

I don't know if all the ones made by MediaCreationTool,
match on checksum. The files are marked as .wim inside,
rather than .esd, so the checksum should be listed somewhere.

If you purchased Windows 8.1 electronically and downloaded it,
the large file inside was a .esd file and the checksum on
those was never the same. I even re-downloaded the image
using my account details (from the purchase) and the
checksum was different on the second downloaded disc. This
destroys the ability to track materials by checksum. I don't
think that method is being used, but, you never know.

Mine is the 7 OS version DVD, which has Win10 Pro x64
and Win10 Home x64 and five others. And it's made by
MediaCreationTool, which you get if you visit the
download page with Windows 7 thru Windows 10.

If a person pulls the version you get from a Linux (or a
Mac browser), those will have a more consistent checksum.
The difference is, the ISO doesn't fit single-layer media
for the x64 one, and it has an additional four OSes on it.
That's the 11 OS DVD version. That would give exactly
the same install results for Win10 Pro x64 and Win10 Home x64
though.

Paul

On 2020-06-29 6:24 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 5:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Â*Â*Â* Paul

And what version of Windows 10 Home is that...

...because it is literally ALL OVER the web that Microsoft has made
this change.

2004.

Which is


Name: Windows10-x64-2004.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA1: A0D4D131ED24646B281BCE6F4E833CBBC10C7C12

I don't know if all the ones made by MediaCreationTool,
match on checksum. The files are marked as .wim inside,
rather than .esd, so the checksum should be listed somewhere.

If you purchased Windows 8.1 electronically and downloaded it,
the large file inside was a .esd file and the checksum on
those was never the same. I even re-downloaded the image
using my account details (from the purchase) and the
checksum was different on the second downloaded disc. This
destroys the ability to track materials by checksum. I don't
think that method is being used, but, you never know.

Mine is the 7 OS version DVD, which has Win10 Pro x64
and Win10 Home x64 and five others. And it's made by
MediaCreationTool, which you get if you visit the
download page with Windows 7 thru Windows 10.

If a person pulls the version you get from a Linux (or a
Mac browser), those will have a more consistent checksum.
The difference is, the ISO doesn't fit single-layer media
for the x64 one, and it has an additional four OSes on it.
That's the 11 OS DVD version. That would give exactly
the same install results for Win10 Pro x64 and Win10 Home x64
though.

I don't know what to tell you.

I set up a new HP PC for a client and no such option was present.

I know, because I was there.

Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 6:24 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 5:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Paul

And what version of Windows 10 Home is that...

...because it is literally ALL OVER the web that Microsoft has made
this change.

2004.

Which is


Name: Windows10-x64-2004.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA1: A0D4D131ED24646B281BCE6F4E833CBBC10C7C12

I don't know if all the ones made by MediaCreationTool,
match on checksum. The files are marked as .wim inside,
rather than .esd, so the checksum should be listed somewhere.

If you purchased Windows 8.1 electronically and downloaded it,
the large file inside was a .esd file and the checksum on
those was never the same. I even re-downloaded the image
using my account details (from the purchase) and the
checksum was different on the second downloaded disc. This
destroys the ability to track materials by checksum. I don't
think that method is being used, but, you never know.

Mine is the 7 OS version DVD, which has Win10 Pro x64
and Win10 Home x64 and five others. And it's made by
MediaCreationTool, which you get if you visit the
download page with Windows 7 thru Windows 10.

If a person pulls the version you get from a Linux (or a
Mac browser), those will have a more consistent checksum.
The difference is, the ISO doesn't fit single-layer media
for the x64 one, and it has an additional four OSes on it.
That's the 11 OS DVD version. That would give exactly
the same install results for Win10 Pro x64 and Win10 Home x64
though.

I don't know what to tell you.

I set up a new HP PC for a client and no such option was present.

I know, because I was there.

Did Winver return 19041.1 or something else ?

*******

Another possibility, is you were in Win10-S Home or Win10-S Pro
or whatever. The App Store OS only makes sense with an MSA to
drive it.

Paul

On 2020-06-29 6:34 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 6:24 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 5:48 p.m., Paul wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-29 3:46 p.m., Paul wrote:

It's there.

Release 2004 tested in a virtual machine, so I can take pictures.

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjwSXSF/local-acct-waltz.gif

If the picture isn't sharp enough, use the "Download Original" at
the top of the page.

The necessary buttons are placed in a "darker" part of the
screen in the hope you won't see them.

Nope.

It is no longer there on Windows 10 Home.

The only difference I see, is the taskbar might
be a different color in Home. The account dialogs
seem the same to me.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRRDNMD8/local-Home-2004.gif

Â*Â*Â* Paul

And what version of Windows 10 Home is that...

...because it is literally ALL OVER the web that Microsoft has made
this change.

2004.

Which is


Name: Windows10-x64-2004.iso
Size: 4144168960 bytes (3952 MiB)
SHA1: A0D4D131ED24646B281BCE6F4E833CBBC10C7C12

I don't know if all the ones made by MediaCreationTool,
match on checksum. The files are marked as .wim inside,
rather than .esd, so the checksum should be listed somewhere.

If you purchased Windows 8.1 electronically and downloaded it,
the large file inside was a .esd file and the checksum on
those was never the same. I even re-downloaded the image
using my account details (from the purchase) and the
checksum was different on the second downloaded disc. This
destroys the ability to track materials by checksum. I don't
think that method is being used, but, you never know.

Mine is the 7 OS version DVD, which has Win10 Pro x64
and Win10 Home x64 and five others. And it's made by
MediaCreationTool, which you get if you visit the
download page with Windows 7 thru Windows 10.

If a person pulls the version you get from a Linux (or a
Mac browser), those will have a more consistent checksum.
The difference is, the ISO doesn't fit single-layer media
for the x64 one, and it has an additional four OSes on it.
That's the 11 OS DVD version. That would give exactly
the same install results for Win10 Pro x64 and Win10 Home x64
though.

I don't know what to tell you.

I set up a new HP PC for a client and no such option was present.

I know, because I was there.

Did Winver return 19041.1 or something else ?

I don't have the system in front of me...

....because I set it up for a client.

:-)


*******

Another possibility, is you were in Win10-S Home or Win10-S Pro
or whatever. The App Store OS only makes sense with an MSA to
drive it.

I don't believe it was Win10-S...

....but I don't know for certain sitting right here and now.