Vista protection cost?

"caver1" wrote
snip

And I was sneered at when I stated that MS wants to control its customers.

Chuckles at the thought of how does one sneer at someone through a text only
medium? ...unless you actually write it explicitly like

while sneering at the OP...

That would work, eh? Or we need to create a sneering emoticon. :-)

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock wrote:
"caver1" wrote
snip

And I was sneered at when I stated that MS wants to control its
customers.

Chuckles at the thought of how does one sneer at someone through a text
only medium? ...unless you actually write it explicitly like

while sneering at the OP...

That would work, eh? Or we need to create a sneering emoticon. :-)



I guess that would be helpful.8-)

"caver1" wrote in message
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Rock wrote:
"caver1" wrote
snip

And I was sneered at when I stated that MS wants to control its
customers.

Chuckles at the thought of how does one sneer at someone through a text
only medium? ...unless you actually write it explicitly like

while sneering at the OP...

That would work, eh? Or we need to create a sneering emoticon. :-)



I guess that would be helpful.8-)


I hope you didn't take any offense in what I said, it's just when I read
your words an image popped into my mind of the old time black and white
movies before sound (no I wasn't alive then!) with the dastardly villain in
dark clothes and a moustache sneering contemptuously as he ties the damsel
to the railroad tracks. It gave me a good chuckle.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Jeff wrote:

Someone pointed me to this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Is it true?

Yes. DRM will cost you money, DRM will infringe on your fair use rights for
media you legally purchased, DRM will make interoperability of that media
impossible. Never purchase DRM protected media.


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caver1 wrote:

And I was sneered at when I stated that MS wants to control its customers.

And yet you're one of them, according to your user agent. Planning on
coming to the Light Side of the Force soon?

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HeyBub wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Someone pointed me to this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Is it true?

Who knows? If you never pirate stuff, you'll never find out.

It's a little disingenious to think that. Maybe he wants to burn it to a CD
or copy it to a cassette deck for his car, something US copyright law
considers perfectly acceptable, yet media companies consider theft.
Personally, I find that situation amusing, since if copying media I paid
for to another format for my truck is considered theft, expecting me to pay
for crippled media is robbery by extension.


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That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM protected
media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the media companies
are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They are purposely trying to
find our limit.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

Someone pointed me to this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Is it true?

Yes. DRM will cost you money, DRM will infringe on your fair use rights
for
media you legally purchased, DRM will make interoperability of that media
impossible. Never purchase DRM protected media.


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

I may be mistaken, but I think "Kerry Brown" *a*m
said something like the following in message
...
That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM
protected media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the media
companies are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They are
purposely trying to find our limit.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca



DRM-free music. Get purchasing ;-)

http://www.emusic.com/

--
Jon

He who wills the end, wills the means

Paul Johnson wrote:
caver1 wrote:

And I was sneered at when I stated that MS wants to control its customers.

And yet you're one of them, according to your user agent. Planning on
coming to the Light Side of the Force soon?



I never said I thought they had bad software. I think there business
practices stink. I have two other computers set up. One with Ubuntu, one
with Mepis. But I do have a wife and daughter that don't want to mess
with Linux until I know it well enough to help them with it. So my Email
stays on this one until that time. Hopefully by the time this XP box
dies I will have them over to Linux.

Paul Johnson wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Someone pointed me to this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Is it true?
Who knows? If you never pirate stuff, you'll never find out.

It's a little disingenious to think that. Maybe he wants to burn it to a CD
or copy it to a cassette deck for his car, something US copyright law
considers perfectly acceptable, yet media companies consider theft.
Personally, I find that situation amusing, since if copying media I paid
for to another format for my truck is considered theft, expecting me to pay
for crippled media is robbery by extension.




If you copy it to a cassette for your own use you already paid the
royalties with the purchase of the media and cassette recorder. If it's
theft because of royalties they are worried about how can they call you
a thief if you already paid them?

Kerry Brown wrote:
That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM
protected media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the
media companies are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They are
purposely trying to find our limit.


At the same time DRM capable software or hardware should not be
purchased either. So I guess that leaves MS out in the cold also. If the
operating system doesn't support DRM there will be nothing for the media
companies to have their content played on. This is as much a MS problem
as it is the recording and movie industry problem.

"caver1" wrote in message
...


Kerry Brown wrote:
That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM
protected media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the
media companies are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They are
purposely trying to find our limit.


At the same time DRM capable software or hardware should not be purchased
either. So I guess that leaves MS out in the cold also. If the operating
system doesn't support DRM there will be nothing for the media companies
to have their content played on. This is as much a MS problem as it is the
recording and movie industry problem.


I agree with you in principle but in practice I can see a case for a
business decision to include DRM. This applies to anyone developing a
software or hardware player. How would you explain to your customer that the
software/device they purchased a year ago is now obsolete because you were
defending a principle? In our litigious society that would be irresponsible
to both the shareholders and the consumers. The problem is with the content
providers not the content enablers. They are in a catch-22 situation.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

Kerry Brown wrote:
"caver1" wrote in message
...


Kerry Brown wrote:
That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM
protected media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the
media companies are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They
are purposely trying to find our limit.


At the same time DRM capable software or hardware should not be
purchased either. So I guess that leaves MS out in the cold also. If
the operating system doesn't support DRM there will be nothing for the
media companies to have their content played on. This is as much a MS
problem as it is the recording and movie industry problem.


I agree with you in principle but in practice I can see a case for a
business decision to include DRM. This applies to anyone developing a
software or hardware player. How would you explain to your customer that
the software/device they purchased a year ago is now obsolete because
you were defending a principle? In our litigious society that would be
irresponsible to both the shareholders and the consumers. The problem is
with the content providers not the content enablers. They are in a
catch-22 situation.



Yes but if you look at what MS says it tells a lot. MS agrees with DRM
as it stands now. Not that it is being forced on them. Also MS is large
enough that if they said DRM okay with these changes only, the media
industry could not afford to ignore MS.

caver1 wrote:

Paul Johnson wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Someone pointed me to this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Is it true?
Who knows? If you never pirate stuff, you'll never find out.

It's a little disingenious to think that. Maybe he wants to burn it to a
CD or copy it to a cassette deck for his car, something US copyright law
considers perfectly acceptable, yet media companies consider theft.
Personally, I find that situation amusing, since if copying media I paid
for to another format for my truck is considered theft, expecting me to
pay for crippled media is robbery by extension.

If you copy it to a cassette for your own use you already paid the
royalties with the purchase of the media and cassette recorder. If it's
theft because of royalties they are worried about how can they call you
a thief if you already paid them?

And therein lies exactly the problem with DRM. Media companies do not want
you to have fair use, this is why they tried to criminalize the use of
video cassette recorders when they came out. This is just the latest move
to take away your freedoms and give you less choice.

Kerry Brown wrote:

"caver1" wrote in message
...


Kerry Brown wrote:
That is the solution to the whole DRM problem - never purchase DRM
protected media. If consumers revolted it would go away. I think the
media companies are experimenting to see just what we'll take. They are
purposely trying to find our limit.


At the same time DRM capable software or hardware should not be purchased
either. So I guess that leaves MS out in the cold also. If the operating
system doesn't support DRM there will be nothing for the media companies
to have their content played on. This is as much a MS problem as it is
the recording and movie industry problem.


I agree with you in principle but in practice I can see a case for a
business decision to include DRM. This applies to anyone developing a
software or hardware player. How would you explain to your customer that
the software/device they purchased a year ago is now obsolete because you
were defending a principle? In our litigious society that would be
irresponsible to both the shareholders and the consumers.

Other way around. Not defending that principal is irresponsible to
shareholders and consumers and is guaranteed to get you sued. Both
Microsoft and Apple are being sued for infringing on fair use rights
provided by US copyright law by way of the antitrust act as thanks for
implementing DRM restrictions.