Doesn't XP come with a phone program?

The date and time was Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:15:09 AM, and on a
whim, BillW50 pounded out on the keyboard:

In ,
John Barnett MVP typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:54:32 -0000:
There is dialer.exe, Malke.

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"Malke" wrote in message
...
Jack B wrote:

I have a phone line plugged into my modem, so how do I get the pc to
answer
the phone or use the mic to talk? Doesn't XP come with a program
to do that?
No. The modem software may include something like the old Phone
Tools but only if the modem supports voice. To find out what kind of
modem you have and its capabilities, either refer to your computer
purchase documents or run a system inventory tool.

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html - Belarc Advisor
http://www.gtopala.com/ - System Information for Windows

Malke
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John... First it is my personal opinion that top posting is wrong. But let's
ignore this, you are also adding two dashes after your post which many
newsgroup readers will strip right off and everything after it. It doesn't
happen with me since I have the option to leave it alone with OE-QuoteFix. I
just thought you wanted to know.


Bill,

It's dash dash space, not just dash dash.

MS mail clients are inherently broken. If a user wants to reply above
the quote and use a sig file in OE/WM, the mail clients insert the
delimiter ( "-- ") above the sig. You smartly use Quotefix, but most
don't and don't care whether everything below their comment is stripped
by a proper newsreader or not. Only their reply is important to them.

But the other part of the brokenness of MS mail clients is that they
*ignore* the delimiter altogether when replying. Go figure.


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The date and time was Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:56:06 AM, and on a
whim, Jack B pounded out on the keyboard:

Caveat: I guess I'm sticking with the majority of top posters.

Anyway, Bill, your comment is enlightening:
you are also adding two dashes after your post which many
newsgroup readers will strip right off and everything after it.

Is that what happened in my case? As you see below, there is no text
recorded for me between the first and last set of dashes by John.


Jack



Hi Jack,

If you replied to Malke, only his sig info would be stripped using a
good newsreader, because the delimiter (dash dash space, NOT dash dash)
was designed for bottom posting, NOT top posting.

If you reply to me, everything below the "-- " will be removed if you
have a good newsreader, not MS mail clients.

MS clients add a delimiter even when top posting and then *ignore* the
delimiter altogether when replying.


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The date and time was Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:44:35 PM, and on a
whim, Tom [Pepper] Willett pounded out on the keyboard:


"BillW50" wrote in message
...
::
: That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally selfish
: people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except themselves. And
: thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot about people like you!
:
And you are a hoople head.



Bill is and Mick isn't? That makes a lot of sense.

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tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your comment.
I gloss over posters like that.
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Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally selfish
people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except themselves. And
thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot about people like you!

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John Barnett MVP wrote:

There is dialer.exe, Malke.


Thanks, John. I didn't know that dialer did anything except dial, having
never used it.

Malke
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In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

you care enough to impose your opinion on others and denegrate them if they
choose not to agree. yep, real caring there.

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

Em Quarta, 7 de Janeiro de 2009 20:33, John Barnett MVP escreveu:

The phone dialer, for some reason, has always been 'well hidden' by
Microsoft. Even in Vista you have to use the Run or command prompt to open
it, although the interface is far better in Vista than XP.

Phone Dialer just dials... it is just like a phone list book that can dial
the number... then you need to pick up the phone to talk.
This is not what Jack wants

Em Quinta, 8 de Janeiro de 2009 00:13, Malke escreveu:

John Barnett MVP wrote:

There is dialer.exe, Malke.


Thanks, John. I didn't know that dialer did anything except dial, having
never used it.
Well, it stores phone numbers too

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:06:01 -0800:
you care enough to impose your opinion on others and denegrate them
if they choose not to agree. yep, real caring there.

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

No! I know people who don't question what I claim and say otherwise. They
speak for themselves. We know who you are because we feel differently.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

And your VOIP provider is...?

Jack B wrote:
I actually have two ISPs. One is an Earthlink dial-up and the other is
Comcast. I mainly use my Earthlink email address, and use it over the
Comcast cable. The dial-up is a back up, which has become essentially
non-viable since switching to VOIP. So, the pc modem is plugged into the
VOIP line. I don't know if Windows Live Messenger is installed.

I tried Dialer, and it fails to see a connection. I reckon I'll see Start
|
Help & Support | To configure a telephony service provider.

Jack
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Are you a (Earthlink) dial-up subscriber? Does the same "phone line" plug
into your PC? Do you have, e.g., Windows Live Messenger installed? Also
see Start | Help & Support | To configure a telephony service provider.

Jack B wrote:
I have a phone line plugged into my modem, so how do I get the pc to
answer
the phone or use the mic to talk? Doesn't XP come with a program to do
that?

John Barnett MVP said:
I will have to check my signature file regarding the dashes.

As to your top/bottom posting comment I'm afraid I disagree with bottom
posting as do many other MVPs. While I respect your opinion it will not
change my habit of top posting. The original posts are uploaded to a
Microsoft server what the USerNet does with them after they have 'hived' the
posts off is their concern.

Bill was talking about "newsgroup readers," not Usernet.
IE, about his personal software.
Most of the Internet community finds cross compatibility
of utmost importance, since that's the philosophy it
was founded on. Of course the "Microsoft community" is
the notable exception, they feel free exploit it, then
fence it off for their own personal profit via incompatable
propriatary software. Of course this "fence it off"
often translates into "fence us in," at least they try.

This is a Microsoft community, not a usernet
community.

Ah Ha!
So it's understandable you didn't grasp the concept of
"his personal software."


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Myself, I don't normally top or bottom post,
I middle post. ...top and bottom only works
real well for simple question/answer formats.

But for clarity, nothing beats judicious snippage.
But most people prefer to see thair own words over
and over I guess.

"a Microsoft community???" wow!






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in case you missed it, I didn't express any feelings, I stated an opinion,
different from yours. top posting works just fine for me and I accept
wherever others choose to post, without comment, top or bottom, not you! you
tend to personalize too much! "This is an opinion, not a feeling" your free
to disagree!


"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:06:01 -0800:
you care enough to impose your opinion on others and denegrate them
if they choose not to agree. yep, real caring there.

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

No! I know people who don't question what I claim and say otherwise. They
speak for themselves. We know who you are because we feel differently.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

"sgopus" wrote in message
...
in case you missed it, I didn't express any feelings, I stated an opinion,
different from yours. top posting works just fine for me and I accept
wherever others choose to post, without comment, top or bottom, not you!
you
tend to personalize too much! "This is an opinion, not a feeling" your
free
to disagree!


"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:06:01 -0800:
you care enough to impose your opinion on others and denegrate them
if they choose not to agree. yep, real caring there.

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

No! I know people who don't question what I claim and say otherwise. They
speak for themselves. We know who you are because we feel differently.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu


The wrongs of top posting is starkly demonstrated by this interchange of
posts because the actual full conversation is next to impossible to follow.
If both protagonists had followed the convention and bottom posted, the
conversation would have flowed logically. It would not flow logically if
both had top posted because the responses would be read before the points
they addressed.

Who cares?
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"M.I.5¾" wrote in message
...

"sgopus" wrote in message
...
in case you missed it, I didn't express any feelings, I
stated an opinion,
different from yours. top posting works just fine for me and
I accept
wherever others choose to post, without comment, top or
bottom, not you! you
tend to personalize too much! "This is an opinion, not a
feeling" your free
to disagree!


"BillW50" wrote:

In ,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:06:01 -0800:
you care enough to impose your opinion on others and
denegrate them
if they choose not to agree. yep, real caring there.

"BillW50" wrote:

In
,
sgopus typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:01 -0800:
tells us lots about you too...

"BillW50" wrote:

In
,
Mick Murphy typed on Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:20:24 -0800:
I am a top poster, Bill.
The info is then there, neat and complete.
Have a look at your own bottom post.
Due to all your own personal info, we have to search
for your
comment. I gloss over posters like that.
--
Mad Mike

That tells me a lot Mad Mike. As top posters tend to be
totally
selfish people. As they don't give a damn about anybody
except
themselves. And thanks for sharing your opinion. It
tells me a lot
about people like you!

Yeah... I actually care about others! Damn me!

No! I know people who don't question what I claim and say
otherwise. They
speak for themselves. We know who you are because we feel
differently.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu


The wrongs of top posting is starkly demonstrated by this
interchange of posts because the actual full conversation is
next to impossible to follow. If both protagonists had
followed the convention and bottom posted, the conversation
would have flowed logically. It would not flow logically if
both had top posted because the responses would be read before
the points they addressed.


Who cares?