Recommendations for best Registry Cleaner

/agree /agree /agree.
I'm looking into replacing M$ XP with: http://www.ubuntu.com/ at the moment.
It has some pretty good features so far.


Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that comes after a time
of
running this toy operating system. Your best fix is to reinstall the "o/s"
from scratch and start fresh again. This will give you some time to once
again enjoy the speed your existing hardware offers you, until you once
again start to eXPerience this slowdown. It's an endless circle designed
to
force Windoze users to constantly upgrade their hardware in the hopes of
having a machine that doesn't bog down. The other solution is to switch to
a real operating system like GNU/Linux that doesn't experience this
silliness. Then you can once again enjoy your computer, get off the
upgrade
bandwagon and have a powerful, robust and secure computing experience.

Taking the second option above will also result in attacks by the Windoze
Fanboys around here who have a stake in the whole MickeyMouse-Hardware
Manufacturers alliance. Be prepared to hear about how they NEVER
experience
any slowdowns with their Windoze systems. They're the same people that are
always purchasing the newest and fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder
why?


--
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05018226686613

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://linclips.crocusplains.com/index.php

Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Pegasus
(MVP) laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...


"Stuart Nathan" wrote in
message ...
Sometime ago I downloaded a Registry cleaner from Microsoft
which I used on Windows 98. Can't find it now.

I think your post wins the prize for the most useless
contribution in this thread. By a big margin.


no, yours wins the prize for most useless company shill line in
this thread


--
ATM, aka JerryR

"Everything that can be invented has been invented" - U. S. Patent
Commissioner, Charles H. Duell, 1899

NoStop wrote:
On Monday 19 June 2006 05:19 am, Charles C. Perkins had this to say in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I know the
benefits of doing it, but I am under the impression that it could
make my computer run quicker and better.

Any Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Chaz

Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that comes after a
time of running this toy operating system. Your best fix is to
reinstall the "o/s" from scratch and start fresh again. This will
give you some time to once again enjoy the speed your existing
hardware offers you, until you once again start to eXPerience this
slowdown. It's an endless circle designed to force Windoze users to
constantly upgrade their hardware in the hopes of having a machine
that doesn't bog down. The other solution is to switch to a real
operating system like GNU/Linux that doesn't experience this
silliness. Then you can once again enjoy your computer, get off the
upgrade bandwagon and have a powerful, robust and secure computing
experience.

Taking the second option above will also result in attacks by the
Windoze Fanboys around here who have a stake in the whole
MickeyMouse-Hardware Manufacturers alliance. Be prepared to hear
about how they NEVER experience any slowdowns with their Windoze
systems. They're the same people that are always purchasing the
newest and fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder why?

And someone who takes your advice, installs Linux, plays with it for a few
months, installs and removes several programs like a typical Windows user,
won't have several unknown and useless config files spread all over the
place? I'm not saying this will be harmful to the Linux system. It just uses
hard drive space needlessly. It's about as harmful as most perceived
registry bloat problems.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

"All Things Mopar" wrote in message
. ..
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Pegasus
(MVP) laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...


"Charles C. Perkins" wrote in message
...
I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I know
the benefits of doing it, but I am under the impression that
it could make my computer run quicker and better.

Any Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Chaz

The best registry cleaner is no registry cleaner. Using
them makes at best no difference to your PC's performance.
At worst they will cripple your machine. There is one class of
people who derive considerable benefit from registry cleaners.
The sellers.

yep, I can always count on an MVP to spout the company line here.

Say, Pegasus, you ever look at your own Registry after
uninstalling software or doing updates? Easy example: I needed to
uninstall and reinstall Paint Shop Pro 9 last year, used
Add/Remove programs and even Corel's ZapPSP utility. And, JV16
Powertools still found some 5,000 orphaned Registry entries! You
people are wise to advice the novices not to mess with things
they don't understand, but efffiency can be gained by judiciously
cleaning crap out of the Registry, including dead keys, obsolete
keys, and the like. Of course, a RP should be set first and one
should have a recent disk image.

And, like most useful utilities marketed by 3rd party developers,
it has always astounded me that a guy so supposedly as bright as
Bill the Gates doesn't put them all immediately out-of-business
by writing and selling his own utilities. Naturally, if he did,
they would be about as creative, innovative and bug-free as other
microcrap stuff. The current ROTFLMYA is Vista. For the flag-ship
product and major revenue source, for M$ to "voluntarily" delay
release a year must mean that even all those brilliant people
Bill talked about during his step down bloviant speech couldn't
make it work!

--
ATM, aka JerryR

"Everything that can be invented has been invented" - U. S.
Patent Commissioner, Charles H. Duell, 1899

The registry is an indexed database. Having a few hundred
(or a few thousand) orphaned entries, left behind by incompletely
uninstalled applications, makes no difference to access speed.
On the other hand, if the applications are still installed and
active then deleting their registry entries is probably a bad
idea.
whatsoever to access speed

/agree /agree /agree.
I'm looking into replacing M$ XP with: http://www.ubuntu.com/ at the moment.
It has some pretty good features so far.

"NoStop" wrote in message
...
On Monday 19 June 2006 05:19 am, Charles C. Perkins had this to say in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I know the benefits
of doing it, but I am under the impression that it could make my
computer run quicker and better.

Any Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Chaz

Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that comes after a time
of
running this toy operating system. Your best fix is to reinstall the "o/s"
from scratch and start fresh again. This will give you some time to once
again enjoy the speed your existing hardware offers you, until you once
again start to eXPerience this slowdown. It's an endless circle designed
to
force Windoze users to constantly upgrade their hardware in the hopes of
having a machine that doesn't bog down. The other solution is to switch to
a real operating system like GNU/Linux that doesn't experience this
silliness. Then you can once again enjoy your computer, get off the
upgrade
bandwagon and have a powerful, robust and secure computing experience.

Taking the second option above will also result in attacks by the Windoze
Fanboys around here who have a stake in the whole MickeyMouse-Hardware
Manufacturers alliance. Be prepared to hear about how they NEVER
experience
any slowdowns with their Windoze systems. They're the same people that are
always purchasing the newest and fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder
why?


--
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05018226686613

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://linclips.crocusplains.com/index.php

Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Pegasus
(MVP) laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...

The registry is an indexed database. Having a few hundred
(or a few thousand) orphaned entries, left behind by
incompletely uninstalled applications, makes no difference to
access speed. On the other hand, if the applications are still
installed and active then deleting their registry entries is
probably a bad idea.
whatsoever to access speed

You need to re-read my post. I was talking about crap Windoze puts
in there and /orphaned/ entries left behind by errant apps and
uninstall or update processes. And, while I am not nearly as
knowledgeable as you might be (or would like us to believe), I do
understand the makeup and operation of the Registry. My comments
stand. The Registry can and does get bloated and app crashes, slow
launches, aberrant app behavior, and other problems can be
prevented or greatly minimized by correctly cleaning the Registry.
And, by backing it up to prevent a nuke and reinstall when Windoze
trashes it itself. Had Bill the Gates had his wits about him when
he designed this thing, he would've planned for and executed a
means for preventing all this, but we all know he isn't nearly as
bright as he'd like us to believe.

--
ATM, aka JerryR

"Everything that can be invented has been invented" - U. S. Patent
Commissioner, Charles H. Duell, 1899

Charles C. Perkins wrote:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I know the
benefits of doing it, but I am under the impression that it could
make my computer run quicker and better.



Your impression is wrong. You'll get conflicting points of view here, but
this is my advice: Leave the registry alone and don't use a registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries
doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a the registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far geater than any potential benefit it may
have.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Exactly! It is not so much whether it can be done successfully or not, it is
a matter of potential cost versus benefit; the downside risk is huge.

The subject of registry cleaners always seems to cause contention here but
we seem to agree that registry cleaning should NOT be done in any automatic
mode. But by the time a user has figured out the purpose of each of the
so-called "trouble" entries (as indicated by the software) and investigated
whether it is safe to delete/modify, the problem could likely have been
traced from the opposite direction.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

Charles C. Perkins wrote:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I know the
benefits of doing it, but I am under the impression that it could
make my computer run quicker and better.



Your impression is wrong. You'll get conflicting points of view here, but
this is my advice: Leave the registry alone and don't use a registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries
doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a the registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far geater than any potential benefit it may
have.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

All Things Mopar wrote:
Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatically, Pegasus
(MVP) laid this on an unsuspecting readership ...

The registry is an indexed database. Having a few hundred
(or a few thousand) orphaned entries, left behind by
incompletely uninstalled applications, makes no
difference to access speed. On the other hand, if the
applications are still installed and active then deleting
their registry entries is probably a bad idea.
whatsoever to access speed

You need to re-read my post. I was talking about crap
Windoze puts in there and /orphaned/ entries left behind by
errant apps and uninstall or update processes. And, while I
am not nearly as knowledgeable as you might be (or would
like us to believe), I do understand the makeup and
operation of the Registry. My comments stand. The Registry
can and does get bloated and app crashes, slow launches,
aberrant app behavior, and other problems can be prevented
or greatly minimized by correctly cleaning the Registry.
And, by backing it up to prevent a nuke and reinstall when
Windoze trashes it itself. Had Bill the Gates had his wits
about him when he designed this thing, he would've planned
for and executed a means for preventing all this, but we
all know he isn't nearly as bright as he'd like us to
believe.

Very few MVPs will hear you, All. Whatever it is about that MVP
culture, whether it be ignorance or a condition of keeping the
"fancy" title of MVP, they are to this issue as closed minds are
to any issue. I've never fathomed why

And then every once in awhile one will post something overheard
about it being a "database" and the size of the database having
no relation to use of said database, amongst many other things
that have oozed from the ether from them.

Most MVPs are pretty good in their tested areas, but they don't
stick to them, and worse, a few will often respond that the
reason for being so short in their responses is the "time" they
have to invest. Uh, huh. And yet they'll keep on going with a
thread such as this one, firing off excuse after excuse with
little to nothing for any kind of clarifying or verifying
information.
It's like anything else; you have to know what you're buying
or you'll often get what you paid forg.

Regards,

Pop
--

Tomato wrote:
/agree /agree /agree.
I'm looking into replacing M$ XP with:
http://www.ubuntu.com/ at the moment. It has some pretty
good features so far.

Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that
comes after a time of
running this toy operating system. Your best fix is to
reinstall the "o/s" from scratch and start fresh again.
This will give you some time to once again enjoy the
speed your existing hardware offers you, until you once
again start to eXPerience this slowdown. It's an endless
circle designed to force Windoze users to constantly upgrade
their hardware
in the hopes of having a machine that doesn't bog down.
The other solution is to switch to a real operating
system like GNU/Linux that doesn't experience this
silliness. Then you can once again enjoy your computer,
get off the upgrade bandwagon and have a powerful, robust and
secure
computing experience. Taking the second option above will
also result in
attacks by the Windoze Fanboys around here who have a
stake in the whole MickeyMouse-Hardware Manufacturers
alliance. Be prepared to hear about how they NEVER
experience any slowdowns with their Windoze systems. They're
the
same people that are always purchasing the newest and
fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder why?


--
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05018226686613

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://linclips.crocusplains.com/index.php

And then there are alwayts the flamboyant narcissists such as
this one who run into the shadows as soon as they are confronted
with having to assemble a small piece of code. They make a lot
of noise but nothing is ever left but a smell afterwards.

Kerry Brown wrote:
NoStop wrote:
On Monday 19 June 2006 05:19 am, Charles C. Perkins had
this to say in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I
know the benefits of doing it, but I am under the
impression that it could make my computer run quicker
and better. Any Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Chaz

Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that
comes after a time of running this toy operating system.
Your best fix is to reinstall the "o/s" from scratch and
start fresh again. This will give you some time to once
again enjoy the speed your existing hardware offers you,
until you once again start to eXPerience this slowdown.
It's an endless circle designed to force Windoze users to
constantly upgrade their hardware in the hopes of having
a machine that doesn't bog down. The other solution is to
switch to a real operating system like GNU/Linux that
doesn't experience this silliness. Then you can once
again enjoy your computer, get off the upgrade bandwagon
and have a powerful, robust and secure computing
experience. Taking the second option above will also result
in
attacks by the Windoze Fanboys around here who have a
stake in the whole MickeyMouse-Hardware Manufacturers
alliance. Be prepared to hear about how they NEVER
experience any slowdowns with their Windoze systems.
They're the same people that are always purchasing the
newest and fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder why?

And someone who takes your advice, installs Linux, plays
with it for a few months, installs and removes several
programs like a typical Windows user, won't have several
unknown and useless config files spread all over the place?
I'm not saying this will be harmful to the Linux system. It
just uses hard drive space needlessly. It's about as
harmful as most perceived registry bloat problems.

Sometimes even worse when you consider it's the user that created
a lot of that flotilla of crap. BTDT. I won't go to Linux
simply because it does not yet have some drivers I need and I'm
not about to write my own from scratch. I probably could, but
I'm not about to go off on that tangent when MS does it all and
much more efficiently.
If one is good with Linux and a Unix language isn't required on
the job, then it's a pretty simple job to keep an MS os going,
and to hold it secure. Someday it might change, but ... after
all, it's open sourced and can't really be expected to be the be
all that MS has managed to put together.
I'm not saying any of them are good or bad; just voicing what
I see/hear/read. It's a presonal choice for the educated in that
direction, not so for most users though.

Regards,

Pop

What, no original thoughts, so you just figured you'd post the
same thing again?


Tomato wrote:
/agree /agree /agree.
I'm looking into replacing M$ XP with:
http://www.ubuntu.com/ at the moment. It has some pretty
good features so far.
"NoStop" wrote in message
...
On Monday 19 June 2006 05:19 am, Charles C. Perkins had
this to say in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I
know the benefits of doing it, but I am under the
impression that it could make my computer run quicker
and better. Any Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Chaz

Your computer is eXPeriencing the typical bitrot that
comes after a time of
running this toy operating system. Your best fix is to
reinstall the "o/s" from scratch and start fresh again.
This will give you some time to once again enjoy the
speed your existing hardware offers you, until you once
again start to eXPerience this slowdown. It's an endless
circle designed to force Windoze users to constantly upgrade
their hardware
in the hopes of having a machine that doesn't bog down.
The other solution is to switch to a real operating
system like GNU/Linux that doesn't experience this
silliness. Then you can once again enjoy your computer,
get off the upgrade bandwagon and have a powerful, robust and
secure
computing experience. Taking the second option above will
also result in
attacks by the Windoze Fanboys around here who have a
stake in the whole MickeyMouse-Hardware Manufacturers
alliance. Be prepared to hear about how they NEVER
experience any slowdowns with their Windoze systems. They're
the
same people that are always purchasing the newest and
fastest latest hardware too. :-) Wonder why?


--
The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05018226686613

View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://linclips.crocusplains.com/index.php

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
Charles C. Perkins wrote:

I have never been one to clean the registry, nor do I
know the benefits of doing it, but I am under the
impression that it could make my computer run quicker and
better.



Your impression is wrong.

See, that's the kind of statement gets you guys in so much
trouble. You're obliquely stating there is NEVER (a word which
should NEVER be used, BTWg) any reason to use such an app. And
that just isn't true.

You'll get conflicting points of
view here, but this is my advice: Leave the registry alone
and don't use a registry cleaner.

I could live with that, but ...

Despite what many people
think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try
to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't
really hurt you.

They can indeed "hurt", and if the right tool, there are good
reasons to use such a tool. Whether a registry cleaner is more
useful than dangerous depends on a lot of things which you guys,
not you in particular, will never bring up or admit even exists.
I've been asking around my circle of acquaintances, about 27
people so far, and have not found one yet who has had a registry
cleaner cause any damage.
I'll agree that not just any tool can be trusted. Same for
anything else, as a matter of fact, ranging from registry
manipulation at install and uninstall time, to registry
manupulation through plain old, everyday appications use.
When you consider the amount of activity going on with the
registry even when you don't install/uninstall anything, it
begins to look like a registry tool might be the least of
anyone's worries. Even some MS apps can corrupt the registry, as
I've found out personally. The list is long.
If anyone is curious, I think it's Sysinternals has a little,
non-registering program (makes no registry entries when it
installs) called regmon which will show you on the fly
what/when/who about all registry changes. If I'm wrong and
that's not Sysinternal's, let me know and I'll fix my misqote,
but I'm about 99% they're hte ones with a decent working one.
The biggest problem newbies et al have is telling what IS and
what is NOT a reliable source of software or programs, especially
with all the freebies floating around, which everyone wants
naturally.
So, if you MVPs in general would like to actually do some
good, get off your arses and go see what's real and what's not in
the world of registry manipulation.
And here's another direction you can take if you really want
to get people off of registry programs: Start educating them
about the Admin Tools. There are very few registry entries
indeed, which cannot be tweaked using an MS supplied app. Only
trouble is, the MS supplied admin tools, don't offer the backing
out protection the other "cleaners" do.

Also, if one is going to crosspost to all creation lke this,
hoping to get a larger audience, for heaven's sake, SET A F'UP!
Then go there to play. Quit wasting bandwidth like this! If
anyone's really interested, following a f'up is no big deal to
them. For MVP's to perpetuate long crossposts to 6 groups like
this is purely assanine, I don't care who started it.

F'ups to public.windowsxp.general.


The risk of a serious problem caused by a the registry
cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far
geater than any potential benefit it may have.

And that is just a pure crock of crap! The risk of an erroneous
registry entry from daily use is, IMO, much more likely.
The same para you wrote above can be used for ANY application,
making it irrelevant. Nearly EVERY app on everyone's computer
has already and is continuing to, make registry changes. Even
e-mail.

Pop
--

OK I'm dumbfounded and completely amazed. No one, not even the MVP's have
gotten this issue right. Oh well. Here are the facts. With the advent of
multi CPU units, FSB speeds in excess of 1GHz, CPU's topping 3.5GHz, HDD
spinning out at over 7500RPM's and on and on. The number of useless registry
entries that XP will simply ignore anyway makes a differrence of maybe
microseconds. So little that you won't see any gain what so ever. What
everyone is missing is the fact that registry fragmentation is the real
culprit and is the thing that is responsible for loss of performance. Thank
heavens there is a free and excellent tool that will fix this for you. The
first time you use it you may get a reduction of as much as %10-15 in the
size of the registry. NTRegOpt is what it's called and why not get the
Emergency Recovery Utility NT otherwise known as ERUNT. It'l make a complete
backup of your registry that can be accessed from the recovery console if
needed. So a dirty registry isn't the issue but rather a fragmented one.
Yawn. Such a genious if I do say so myself. LOL LOL. TTFN.
--
There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those
that can't.

And the reason you can't find it is, because it was removed due to
causing registry problems.

Stuart Nathan wrote:

Sometime ago I downloaded a Registry cleaner from Microsoft which I used on
Windows 98. Can't find it now.