Hack-A-Mac, macOS High Sierra security vulnerability discovered

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nospam wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.

Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.

you're comparing two wildly different things.

You made the comparison after I told you what I was using. I've
had the same box for almost 4 years. I'll rotate it out for
something new new year just because I can, not because I have to.

a used computer with no warranty from ebay will be cheaper than a new
computer with a warranty from an established manufacturer.

$100 bought the warranty pc, which four years later hasn't been
needed. I call that a good investment.

there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.

Used macs are on eBay for a reason.

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Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:15:56 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

FWIW, I can replace this quad core PC with 4GB and 500GB disk
off eBay for $100. Got a spare ready in the corner if I ever
need it. What's a replacement Mac cost?

Riiiiiight. Let's see this $100 PC you could buy.


https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Custom-Built...Hz-256GB-SSD-B
lack-Desktop-Computer/232576567954?hash=item3626a4ca92:g:NJIAAOSwZqZaEI5 T

that is not a final price.

that listing has a week to go and ti will sell for much more than $100.

Yes, because the market for used computers that don't particularly
look any good is very hot.

making excuses so quickly?

Just look for "used desktop PC" on eBay and you will find similar
machines for exactly the price he said and they would have a "Buy It
Now" option.

not with the same specs.

So what's this?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-6300-Compa...AOSwGNtZxQr J

further, comparing the prices of a used computer off ebay with no
warranty whatsoever with a new mac that has a full warranty and support
is as disingenuous as it gets.

Idiot. The guy said that he could _replace_ his PC with one on eBay
for $100. He mentioned nothing about needing it to be new or to have a
warranty.

i use ebay desktops. get some good stuff from the corporate
leases. a lot of it hardly ever used.

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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2017-12-01 3:23 PM, Nathan Hale wrote:
In article
nospam wrote:

In article ailer.nl,
Cornelis Tromp wrote:

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.

nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.

if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.

Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.

more nonsense.

not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.


What complete and utter bull****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEeb4U6ZYs

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Anonymous wrote:


there also are used macs for cheap on ebay. big deal.

Used macs are on eBay for a reason.

same reasons used pcs are on ebay.

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nospam wrote:

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.

yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.

Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?

then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.

that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.

you'd buy an open box from them?

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.

yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.

Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?

then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.

that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.

you'd buy an open box from them?

absolutely, assuming it was a good price (which it usually isn't). best
buy rarely has the best prices.

you're moving the goalposts even *further*.

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nospam wrote:

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:


And I'd wager that they're STILL slower than the same machine running
Windows or Linux because optimizing code or making it secure doesn't
sell as many overpriced Macs.

Oh but Mac graphics and Intel processors are so much more
superior than Windows GPUs and Intel processors. Lol, can't
believe they still use that line.

they don't, but the software certainly is *much* better.

lol! riiiight. let us know when safari fixes those identity
leaks.

On 2017-12-02 12:50 AM, Anonymous wrote:
In article
Alan Baker wrote:

On 2017-12-01 3:23 PM, Nathan Hale wrote:
In article
nospam wrote:

In article ailer.nl,
Cornelis Tromp wrote:

macbooks are entirely ssd. not a single hd in the lineup.

Yep and most people in line at the Apple store are having
problems with those drives and TRIM not working or some other
stupid thing that should work, but doesn't.

nonsense. trim works perfectly fine.

if it works so well, why are they in the store complaining about
it?
upgrade the ssd, it's not automatic. has to be enabled.

Then there is the magical backup where data goes into the iCloud
and simply disappears, never to be found again.

more nonsense.

not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.


What complete and utter bull****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEeb4U6ZYs


What do you think that proves?

Apple made the phone "water resistant", and auto manufacturers put
airbags in cars to make you safer.

Does that mean you should deliberately crash your car? Does that mean
they are "encouraging" you to crash your car?

In article , Alan Baker
wrote:


not nonsense. happens every day with iphones, macs, anything
apple.
apple encourages stupid behavior. dropping phones, putting them
in water, bending them on purpose, commercials of people driving
while using them. thank goodness for darwin.


What complete and utter bull****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYEeb4U6ZYs


What do you think that proves?

Apple made the phone "water resistant", and auto manufacturers put
airbags in cars to make you safer.

many other phones are water resistant. it ain't just apple.

Does that mean you should deliberately crash your car? Does that mean
they are "encouraging" you to crash your car?

if only the trolls would do so.

On 2017-12-01 2:40 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:54:58 -0800, Alan Baker
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On 2017-12-01 7:12 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:45:37 -0800, Alan Baker
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On 2017-11-30 6:17 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:10:27 -0800, Alan Baker
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On 2017-11-30 3:08 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:49:59 +0000, Tim Streater
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In article , Doomsdrzej
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:38:52 +0000, RJH wrote:

On 30/11/2017 13:28, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:48:18 +0000 (GMT), Nathan Hale
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Doomsdrzej wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous
wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/28/how-t...root-password/

Lol!

The Mac is a ****ing joke. That's not even brute force hacking; that's
temper tantrum hacking. Anyone defending the platform is an idiot.

Mac IS the platform for idiots. That's exactly the market Jobs
designed it for.

Even during the 1980s, you had to be a complete moron to buy a
computer which couldn't be upgraded, had a tiny monochrome screen,
couldn't multitask and cost a fortune when the competition sold the
same kind of machine with more RAM, colour, a larger screen and
limited upgradeability (Apple vs. Atari). I really feel sorry for Mac
users and hope that they'll find a cure for their mental illness soon.

You're too kind :-)

I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

The word "power" and Macs do not go together. My mom has a fairly
recent Mac Mini and even with 8GB of RAM, that thing is so sluggish
that it's embarrassing. I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

And being an arse, who'd rather be an arse rather than be helpful,
you've not bothered to go onto ebay and get a 2011/2012 Mini with one
drive, and then take it to your friendly local Mac shop and ask them to
add an SSD as the primary drive in the empty drive mount.

I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware. No sane person
would ask them to shell out even more money (even though they did on
RAM which was promised to speed things up and did no such thing) to
remedy Apple's idiotic decision to use an HD in the era of SSDs.

Blah, blah, blah.

It's all bull**** until you give us some specifics.

Specifics of WHAT, pray tell? Boot time is slow, applications opening
is slow, applications closing is slow, navigating through the file
system is slow. _EVERYTHING_ is slow.

Which Mac Mini exactly?

Whatever they released around 2013.

So you parents bought a Mac Mini at best buy in 2013 to replace a
machine that failed?

Did I stutter?


Just trying to make sure I understand.

You're complaining that a machine bought in 2013 didn't have an SSD?

SSDs were a lot less common 4 years ago.

On 30/11/2017 23:08, Doomsdrzej wrote:
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I pointed out in the post that you're quoting that it isn't up to my
parents to remedy a problem that Apple created. They asked my parents
to pay top dollar for Mac Mini and then offered performance that was a
fraction of what Windows offered on the same hardware.

Really?! If so, I think that's more an issue with software. Perfectly
possible, but another issue as we're talking about hardware.

I have got a 2012 Mini, which I use as a media server. Seems fine (but I
did add an SSD as boot drive), rock solid (don't think it's ever
crashed, always on/sleep), near silent.

It's also there as a backup. Never needed ;-)


--
Cheers, Rob

On 01/12/2017 23:25, Doomsdrzej wrote:
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Lies. You can get the same specs as a Mac for much less since the
specs in a Mac are usually at least one generation outdated by the
time they reach store shelves.

I think this is a myth.

I've compared a number of PC systems to iMacs, Minis and Macbooks and
the crude cost premium is generally in the order of 10-20%.

And that really is a crude analysis. A big draw for me is the quality of
construction, choice of components, and internal design. An OS that is
pretty sound and secure, and updated FOC regularly helps.

Against this, the recent glued together iMacs and tendency to soldered
on processors and RAM is pretty rubbish IMO. But then I'm an edge case -
I'd guess not many Mac users upgrade by-component the way I like to.


--
Cheers, Rob

On 02/12/2017 07:33, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2017-12-01 11:08 PM, Anonymous wrote:

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Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?

Sorry, but I call "bull****".

Got any proof?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/if-a-best-buy-technician-is-a-paid-fbi-informant-are-his-computer-searches-legal/2017/01/09/f56028b4-d442-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.f4a574537918

Seems there's some truth to it.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 01/12/2017 02:46, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-11-30 13:38, RJH wrote:

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I bought an iMac to get stuff done when my time was money - something
that was becoming increasingly difficult on Windows machines. Also, at
the time (2008), iMac's were one of the few near-silent reasonably
powerful PCs available for something approaching reasonable money.

While I do have Windows PCs they rarely get used - rarely see the need.

Bottom line:
First criterion: it's the software, not the hardware.
Second criterion: Usability and customisation, aka "the experience".


An additional variable for me is 'reliability', and that pans hardware,
software and usability.

That's why I gave up in the Mac. I didn't need the Mac-only software,
and I found it impossible to customise to suit me. All the software I
needed was and is available on Windows (and on Linux too), the software
I wanted is available on Windows (and some of it on Linux too), so the
deciding criterion was the "experience". For whatever reasons, I just
don't like the Mac experience.


Fair enough.

Shrug.

So who cares, really?

YMMV


I think that's the point.

--
Cheers, Rob

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ers.net
Anonymous wrote:

In article
nospam wrote:

In article ers.net,
Anonymous wrote:

I imagine the fact that Apple is cheap enough
to continue selling that hardware with HDs in an era when everyone
else has at least an SSD/HD hybrid is a part of it and no, it's not up
to my parents to shell out _more_ money to remedy Apple's decision.

it wasn't apple's decision. *she* chose the configuration.

A Mac Mini purchased from Best Buy doesn't offer a "choice," you ****.

yes it does. best buy and other resellers sell every configuration.

Best Buy collaborates with the FBI to forensically examine hard
drives of every customer who brings their computer in for repair.

The FBI pays a bounty of $500.00 for every "discovery".

You're willing to risk your freedom with Best Buy / Geek Squad?

then don't bring your computer to best buy to be repaired, not that
they're any good at repairing anything anyway.

that has absolutely nothing to do with *buying* a computer (mac or pc)
or anything else from them.

you'd buy an open box from them?

Not on your life.

The only way I'd do that is replace the hard drive and melt the
old one.