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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
(reposted to alt.comp.os.windows-8)
How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? (I saw the term "Classic Windows" connected to Windows 8 on the web. Is that what one has to use? If so, is "Classic Windows" slated to go away in the future? Note: I am not asking about the "Start" screen, although it is possible the solution to getting multiple overlapping windows does indeed involve also getting the "Start" screen.) I went to Staples and couldn't see a way to do multiple visible windows with Windows 8. I've seen some stuff indicating that Windows 8 is supposed to be for low power devices: 1. This shouldn't apply to the AC mains powered desktop machines I tried and 2. There is no valid reason why having multiple overlapping visible windows would REQUIRE any more power use than having only one visible window. For that matter: It seems like more than one process was active running anyhow on the AC mains powered desktops that I tried, so having just one visible didn't mean that the desktops were using significantly less power due to only showing one window on screen. Note: I used to write on-the-fly TECO programs more than 100 commands long on 10 CPS teletypes, but I was very happy to get multiple windows in the 1980s so that I didn't have to remember what was going on. (Now I'm lucky if I can remember if the m a p q u e s t directions said "left, right", rather than "right, left". I certainly can't remember a 60 character URL, 18 character random username and 32 character random password that I need to type to find out what doctor appointment the email from my HMO wants to remind me about. Why does Microsoft think I can remember all of this stuff when I am trying to read my email. Why does Microsoft think we want to go back to before 1995?) Yes, the HMO should be able to meet its security requirements by sending me an encrypted message that I can decrypt by using the one key that I do remember, but getting the HMO to implement that is another issue.) (I also don't see why any of the gazillion etail companies that I deal with feel that I should have to sign on to their websites using my of course unique password to see the status of orders, when they also can and should be sending me self-contained encrypted messages that don't require me to use the web when I want to see the actual information and don't require more from me than the one password that I do know.) |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
Mark F mark53916 gmail.com wrote:
How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe"
wrote in article k95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark F mark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap HTH -- Zaphod Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On 11/28/2012 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe" wrote in articlek95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark Fmark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap I saw a Windows 8 utility the other day claiming to run Apps on the desktop in a window. Now I don't remember where I saw it. I think on one of those Windows 8 reviews. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On 11/28/2012 3:46 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 11/28/2012 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe" wrote in articlek95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark Fmark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap I saw a Windows 8 utility the other day claiming to run Apps on the desktop in a window. Now I don't remember where I saw it. I think on one of those Windows 8 reviews. I found it. RetroUI, lets you run full-screen Apps in regular windows. http://lifehacker.com/5961825/retrou...egular-windows -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:46:31 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
On 11/28/2012 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe" wrote in articlek95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark Fmark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap I saw a Windows 8 utility the other day claiming to run Apps on the desktop in a window. Now I don't remember where I saw it. I think on one of those Windows 8 reviews. Maybe everything I tried, including Explorer was an App. Should going to a corner do anything? (I only saw something in the lower left corner, which was called "Startup" or something similar, that seemed like the main screen, which I would call a severely limited Desktop in Windows XP or Windows 7. Could full windowing have been turned off in the demo machines in the Staples store. Is there something I can try if I get back to Staples to try again? (I didn't understand why the store didn't have anyone around who could show something a basic as windows on a Windows system, but it is their store, and if they don't want to sell any computers that is their business.) |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
Mark F wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:46:31 -0600, BillW50 wrote: On 11/28/2012 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe" wrote in articlek95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark Fmark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap I saw a Windows 8 utility the other day claiming to run Apps on the desktop in a window. Now I don't remember where I saw it. I think on one of those Windows 8 reviews. Maybe everything I tried, including Explorer was an App. Should going to a corner do anything? (I only saw something in the lower left corner, which was called "Startup" or something similar, that seemed like the main screen, which I would call a severely limited Desktop in Windows XP or Windows 7. Could full windowing have been turned off in the demo machines in the Staples store. Is there something I can try if I get back to Staples to try again? (I didn't understand why the store didn't have anyone around who could show something a basic as windows on a Windows system, but it is their store, and if they don't want to sell any computers that is their business.) During the last year, Microsoft has been releasing evaluation copies of Windows 8, so users can examine the interface. I doubt those files are still offered for download, but you might get them elsewhere. I've included checksums for the downloaded files, so if you decide to use BitTorrent to find a copy, you can check it is the same as the Microsoft download that was offered. You can also Google, using the checksum strings, to find references to the software. The one time I've used BitTorrent, I set up a Linux LiveCD and did the transfer from there. ******* Windows8-ReleasePreview-64bit-English.iso 3,515,703,296 bytes Windows8-ReleasePreview-32bit-English.iso 2,615,529,472 bytes TK8TP-9JN6P-7X7WW-RFFTV-B7QPF --- License key, good into mid-January 2013 Verify checksum with FCIV tool. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=11533 fciv -both Windows8-ReleasePreview-64bit-English.iso // // File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05. // MD5 SHA-1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5901db43f3b3fa155d65f523f76d5d88 d76ad96773615e8c504f63564af749469cfccd57 windows8-releasepreview-64bit-english.iso fciv -both Windows8-ReleasePreview-32bit-English.iso // // File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05. // MD5 SHA-1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7285da50a07e33bc3b5a20e48afaf375 8bed436f0959e7120a44bf7c29ff0aa962bdefc9 windows8-releasepreview-32bit-english.iso ******* The requirements for using that, a key requirement, is a processor with NX/XD bit support. An AMD64 processor likely fits the bill. On Intel, it would likely be a late model P4 (LGA775), or anything with a 64 bit instruction set (even if you were interested in installing the 32 bit version, a 64 bit processor likely has NX/XD bit support). If you want to check your PC, for Windows 8 dependencies, you can use this tool. It should list anything which doesn't meet requirements. You'd be using this solely as a dependencies check, nothing else. Since you'd be installing the Release Preview on a separate disk, you wouldn't have to worry about non-compatible programs on your current C: drive. http://web.esd.microsoft.com/W8DL/WS...eAssistant.exe When you want to install that eval version of Windows 8, try to: 1) Disconnect all unrelated hard drives. Use a spare hard drive, with a decent amount of free space for the installation. This is to prevent damage to any existing OS. 2) You could load one of the above files, onto a DVD and do the install from there. There is a USB key recipe as well, using a transfer tool from MicrosoftStore. I don't recommend this, as it requires coaxing to finish the job. The DVD path will involve less hair loss. If you had a netbook, there might be incentives to use the USB key install method. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...usbdvd_dwnTool If you want to operate your other hard drives on the machine as well, I'd probably turn off System Restore on the other OSes, to reduce interactions with your Windows 8 test install. When you get the Windows 8 running, look for Power options and turn off spin-down of hard drives. That's to avoid unnecessary CHKDSK runs when booting multiple different OSes. You want the hard drives to spin all the time in Windows 8, to avoid issues. There's likely some other evaluation version of Windows 8 you can install, which would mean a less tortured path. The above Win8 key works until mid-January, giving you enough time to learn how to use it, find stuff and so on. Of the pile of computers I have here, only two can take the release version of Windows 8. Those are the only ones with NX/XD support. My machines have Intel processors, and so XD is what they use. I don't have any x64 AMD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit You can pollute your install of Windows 8 with this, but this negates the learning process you're supposed to be going through with this test install. http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/features.html Paul |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:31:00 -0500, Mark F wrote:
How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? Use the 'Desktop' rather than the 'Start' screen. |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
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Mark F typed on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:07:42 -0500:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:46:31 -0600, BillW50 wrote: On 11/28/2012 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC), "John Doe" wrote in articlek95fuj$6gs$1@dont- email.me... Mark Fmark53916 gmail.com wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? The same way it's done in Windows XP, Vista, and 7? Unless you are talking about Metro apps, in which case you can't really do multiple visible apps, but you can do a 70/30 split between two apps if your screen meets the minimum resolution (1366x768) As far as how to do so, the feature is called "Snap", and a Google search turned up this: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/wi...ure-focus-snap I saw a Windows 8 utility the other day claiming to run Apps on the desktop in a window. Now I don't remember where I saw it. I think on one of those Windows 8 reviews. Maybe everything I tried, including Explorer was an App. Should going to a corner do anything? (I only saw something in the lower left corner, which was called "Startup" or something similar, that seemed like the main screen, which I would call a severely limited Desktop in Windows XP or Windows 7. Could full windowing have been turned off in the demo machines in the Staples store. Is there something I can try if I get back to Staples to try again? (I didn't understand why the store didn't have anyone around who could show something a basic as windows on a Windows system, but it is their store, and if they don't want to sell any computers that is their business.) I am not sure I follow you? You mean like under Windows 7 you can go down to the lower right and all open windows disappear and it shows the clean desktop? If so, like that, but every corner does something under Windows 8 in both the desktop and the MetroUI. The right corners does the same thing, it calls up the charms bar. Or you can use Win+C instead. The left corners are different. Bottom left shows the minimized Start Screen. Left clicking it opens it up. Or use the Win key. The top left corner shows the desktop and all open Metro Apps opened. Or use the Win+Tab does the same thing. When viewing the Start Screen or an Metro App, you can right click anywhere on the screen to display more options. Some Metro Apps has no more options and right clicking may not do anything. And more options can do found under charms and settings. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:18:42 +0000, mechanic
wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:31:00 -0500, Mark F wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? Use the 'Desktop' rather than the 'Start' screen. How do I get to "Desktop"? There was no box on the screens in the store. This thing from CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-...-to-windows-8/ says "there is a big button" for "Desktop", but it wasn't on the ones in the store. |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
Mark F mark53916 gmail.com wrote:
mechanic mechanic example.net wrote: Mark F wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? Use the 'Desktop' rather than the 'Start' screen. How do I get to "Desktop"? There was no box on the screens in the store. Apparently they deleted it. Avoid using the PCs in the store. |
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How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8?
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:12:17 -0500, "Mark F"
wrote in article ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:18:42 +0000, mechanic wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:31:00 -0500, Mark F wrote: How do I do multiple visible windows in Windows 8? Use the 'Desktop' rather than the 'Start' screen. How do I get to "Desktop"? There was no box on the screens in the store. This thing from CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-...-to-windows-8/ says "there is a big button" for "Desktop", but it wasn't on the ones in the store. Possibly it is now a small button, or has been removed entirely. Unless they have blocked it, using CTRL+ALT+DEL will take you to the Task Manager, and you will either be on the Desktop at that point or will be able to use the More Details button to expose the File menu option, which will have a Run New Task option, which will let you run Explorer.exe which will launch the desktop... Though, since it is essentially the same desktop as you've had under Windows 7 (just without the Aero Glass look) I don't know why it matters much. It is there, and you can run your non-Metro apps in it just like previous versions of Windows. -- Zaphod Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: A cocktail based on Janx Spirit. The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick. |
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