Is there a database online for the number of shop hours a car repair should take?

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

Frank S wrote:
I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?


You might try:
http://www.napaautocare.com/Estimato...r p_zc=72210#

On 12/10/2017 1:44 PM, Ken wrote:
Frank S wrote:
I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?


You might try:
http://www.napaautocare.com/Estimato...r p_zc=72210#


Try Chilton manuals
, Used to be our source waybackwhen.

Rene

In news Rene Lamontagne said:

Try Chilton manuals
, Used to be our source waybackwhen.

The original question asks for a database *online* for the shop hours for
any given job.

I know Mitchells has it in paper manuals but I'm seeking an *online*
source.

I just want the flat rate time. Online. If it exists.

Frank S
news in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In news Rene Lamontagne said:

Try Chilton manuals
, Used to be our source waybackwhen.

The original question asks for a database *online* for the shop
hours for any given job.

I know Mitchells has it in paper manuals but I'm seeking an
*online* source.

A flatrate amount most likely isn't in paper manuals, but the time it
should take a qualified mechanic to do the repair is. As the repair
cost varies from shop to shop and location to location. The shop
owner sets the hourly rate, but, the software tells them how many
hours this or that job should take to complete.

I just want the flat rate time. Online. If it exists.

It doesn't provide a flat rate, it provides the time it should take a
qualified mechanic to do the repair. The shop sets the price they
charge per hour.




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In news Ken said:

You might try:
http://www.napaautocare.com/Estimato...r p_zc=72210#

Thanks Ken,

That's a nice site which is probably what *most* people want.
a. Cost for the job
b. Cost for the part.

So I understand why that site is useful to *other* people.

But it's the exact *opposite* of what I want.
I don't want the final cost (that's easy) nor the parts cost (that's easy).

What I'm looking for is the number of hours only.
(The rest is just simple math.)

On 10/12/2017 19:24, Frank S wrote:
I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

You are a complete and utter idiot if you can't agree a price in
advance. They should tell you up front how much they'll charge you and
the work can only commence if you agree the quote.

Are you sure you are a windows users? You sound like Windows hater to
me. Linux is on the other channel where you can try it for your
trolling. Microsoft hasn't started distributing its own version of
Linux called Microsoft Linux.





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Frank S wrote:
I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

It's published by Chilton's. It costs money. You can probably find it
at your local library if you have a good public library with a good set
of Chilton's. If you ask nicely, your mechanic might let you look at it.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

Not everybody does. Some do. And then there is that car with the rust
problem where every job takes twice as long as the book says.
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In news Scott Dorsey said:

It's published by Chilton's. It costs money. You can probably find it
at your local library if you have a good public library with a good set
of Chilton's. If you ask nicely, your mechanic might let you look at it.

I guess that means it's not *online* then....

In article ,
says...

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

I'd be surprised if any such page exists that would/could remain valid
for entire country. Too much "local" pressures etc.

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing but if it
takes longer you can be damn sure it's tacked onto the bill. And Yes I'm
sure if there's three separate repairs that they charge you for three
hours yet it's done in two saves you nothing but does put money in their
pocket for nothing.

Next new car I buy will be partially determined by my negotiating legal
requirement by them about markup on parts (100% no way), cost of repair
and labor. they pay the mechanic approx. $25 Hr yet charges over $125
locally here. We are paying so management can drive a free car and owner
can generate equity in his company. neither of which makes the car any
better, e.g. last longer with fewer repairs required during it's
lifespan, for me.

Work at a dealer, you are not welcome in my house.

On 12/10/2017 5:17 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

I'd be surprised if any such page exists that would/could remain valid
for entire country. Too much "local" pressures etc.

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing but if it
takes longer you can be damn sure it's tacked onto the bill. And Yes I'm
sure if there's three separate repairs that they charge you for three
hours yet it's done in two saves you nothing but does put money in their
pocket for nothing.

Next new car I buy will be partially determined by my negotiating legal
requirement by them about markup on parts (100% no way), cost of repair
and labor. they pay the mechanic approx. $25 Hr yet charges over $125
locally here. We are paying so management can drive a free car and owner
can generate equity in his company. neither of which makes the car any
better, e.g. last longer with fewer repairs required during it's
lifespan, for me.

Work at a dealer, you are not welcome in my house.


Besides the mechanic's pay rate, add in employer matching
taxes, fees, licenses, inspections, insurance, rent,
property tax, supplies, fixtures, advertising and so on.

Also, rate books show expected typical time for the job.
Your local shop multiplies that time estimate by their
billing rate, that is, Chilton's doesn't express a value for
dollars, just time.

You may well be overcharged sometimes, but mechanic's pay is
hardly the biggest part of shop expense.

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:20:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/10/2017 5:17 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

I'd be surprised if any such page exists that would/could remain valid
for entire country. Too much "local" pressures etc.

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing but if it
takes longer you can be damn sure it's tacked onto the bill. And Yes I'm
sure if there's three separate repairs that they charge you for three
hours yet it's done in two saves you nothing but does put money in their
pocket for nothing.

Next new car I buy will be partially determined by my negotiating legal
requirement by them about markup on parts (100% no way), cost of repair
and labor. they pay the mechanic approx. $25 Hr yet charges over $125
locally here. We are paying so management can drive a free car and owner
can generate equity in his company. neither of which makes the car any
better, e.g. last longer with fewer repairs required during it's
lifespan, for me.

Work at a dealer, you are not welcome in my house.


Besides the mechanic's pay rate, add in employer matching
taxes, fees, licenses, inspections, insurance, rent,
property tax, supplies, fixtures, advertising and so on.

Also, rate books show expected typical time for the job.
Your local shop multiplies that time estimate by their
billing rate, that is, Chilton's doesn't express a value for
dollars, just time.

You may well be overcharged sometimes, but mechanic's pay is
hardly the biggest part of shop expense.


There is "chilton time" and there is "factory time".

Dealers use "factory time" for most late model vehicles - and factory
time is generally pretty scimpy compared to Chiltons (or Motors, or
whatever "aftermarket" flat rates exist.)

The independents charge "chilton time"

Also, the "book time" isn't tecninally "hours" - it is "labour units"
- which compare closely to the number of hours an experienced mechanic
with the proper tools will take tio do the job, A mechanic who has
done the job many times should ALWAYS be able to do the job in fewer
actual hours - while an apprentice or mechanic unfamilliar with the
job will take more time.

In news Clare Snyder said:

There is "chilton time" and there is "factory time".

I'll take either time.

Dealers use "factory time" for most late model vehicles - and factory
time is generally pretty scimpy compared to Chiltons (or Motors, or
whatever "aftermarket" flat rates exist.)

I'll assume "factory time" is shorter than "Chilton time".

The independents charge "chilton time"

That's exactly what I'm seeking.
a. Time
b. Online

Also, the "book time" isn't tecninally "hours" - it is "labour units"
- which compare closely to the number of hours an experienced mechanic
with the proper tools will take tio do the job, A mechanic who has
done the job many times should ALWAYS be able to do the job in fewer
actual hours - while an apprentice or mechanic unfamilliar with the
job will take more time.

I'm ok with any units that equate to the time you multiply times the shop
rate.

So if it's in labor units, that's fine since that equates to average time
anyway.

But does it exist online?

I just want the flat rate time. Online. If it exists.

On 12/10/17 5:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/10/2017 5:17 PM, pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to find the
number of shop hours they charge for a job.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it doesn't
take that many hours.

For example if three jobs are done, and even if they associate with each
other, they just add up the shop hours and then charge by the $200/hour
that the local shops all seem to charge for their shop rate.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?

I'd be surprised if any such page exists that would/could remain valid
for entire country. Too much "local" pressures etc.

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing but if it
takes longer you can be damn sure it's tacked onto the bill. And Yes I'm
sure if there's three separate repairs that they charge you for three
hours yet it's done in two saves you nothing but does put money in their
pocket for nothing.

Next new car I buy will be partially determined by my negotiating legal
requirement by them about markup on parts (100% no way), cost of repair
and labor. they pay the mechanic approx. $25 Hr yet charges over $125
locally here. We are paying so management can drive a free car and owner
can generate equity in his company. neither of which makes the car any
better, e.g. last longer with fewer repairs required during it's
lifespan, for me.

Work at a dealer, you are not welcome in my house.


Besides the mechanic's pay rate, add in employer matching
taxes, fees, licenses, inspections, insurance, rent,
property tax, supplies, fixtures, advertising and so on.

Environmental fees, IE vapor control, cleaning solvent replacement, shop
rags, all the other mandated regulations that must be followed.

The average person simply has no clue any more, since most never grew up
tinkering on cars in the back yard.

Also, rate books show expected typical time for the job.
Your local shop multiplies that time estimate by their
billing rate, that is, Chilton's doesn't express a value for
dollars, just time.

You may well be overcharged sometimes, but mechanic's pay is
hardly the biggest part of shop expense.



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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:04:15 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


Besides the mechanic's pay rate, add in employer matching
taxes, fees, licenses, inspections, insurance, rent,
property tax, supplies, fixtures, advertising and so on.

Environmental fees, IE vapor control, cleaning solvent replacement, shop
rags, all the other mandated regulations that must be followed.

All that. It's not only auto shops that cost a lot to run.

The failure rate for all businesses is high, mostly because they take in
less money than they spend.

If owning a business were such a great deal, we'd all be doing it.

The average person simply has no clue any more, since most never grew up
tinkering on cars in the back yard.