Incremental backup possible in Win 7 ?????

Hi: I have been searching for a method of doing an incremental backup in Win
7. My research has turned up conflicting results/theories.
At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours. Definitely
not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup? Am I wasting
my time and yours?

Thanks, John

On 22/07/2012 3:53 PM, John wrote:
Hi: I have been searching for a method of doing an incremental backup in
Win 7. My research has turned up conflicting results/theories.
At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours.
Definitely not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental
backup? Am I wasting my time and yours?

Thanks, John

I don't use Windows' own backup, I use Acronis True Image, which
allows incremental backups in its capabilities. The time taken
to back up depends on your machine and how much data you have on
it. My 120 gigs (on a terabyte drive) take a bit over one hour
on a recent HP home machine.

John wrote:
Hi: I have been searching for a method of doing an incremental backup in
Win 7. My research has turned up conflicting results/theories.
At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours.
Definitely not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental
backup? Am I wasting my time and yours?

Thanks, John


http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...2-41edaed1e2f9

"Well since I did turn off the media player networking service
I haven't had the problem again and this Sunday's was an
Incremental so I consider the problem resolved."

It seems that indexing activity of some sort, can upset things.
Which doesn't seem to be a very robust design.

Paul

Thanks: I found a thread which suggested turning off the Media Networking
feature. So I followed the advice of this thread. I'll try another backup
tomorrow and see if it solves the problem.

I was also considering Acronis. I had it installed on my old XP system, but
Microsoft claimed that Win 7 solved the Incremental backup requirement.

Thanks for your help.

John


"Paul" wrote in message ...

John wrote:
Hi: I have been searching for a method of doing an incremental backup in
Win 7. My research has turned up conflicting results/theories.
At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours.
Definitely not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup?
Am I wasting my time and yours?

Thanks, John


http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...2-41edaed1e2f9

"Well since I did turn off the media player networking service
I haven't had the problem again and this Sunday's was an
Incremental so I consider the problem resolved."

It seems that indexing activity of some sort, can upset things.
Which doesn't seem to be a very robust design.

Paul

On 22/07/2012 4:12 PM, I wrote:
On 22/07/2012 3:53 PM, John wrote:
Hi: I have been searching for a method of doing an incremental backup in
Win 7. My research has turned up conflicting results/theories.
At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours.
Definitely not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental
backup? Am I wasting my time and yours?

Thanks, John

I don't use Windows' own backup, I use Acronis True Image, which
allows incremental backups in its capabilities. The time taken
to back up depends on your machine and how much data you have on
it. My 120 gigs (on a terabyte drive) take a bit over one hour
on a recent HP home machine.

After which I did a full backup for unrelated reasons:

57 minutes, to a backup file of 85 GBy on an HPE-500f
with a 2.7GHz Phenom X6 processor with 8 GBy RAM,
under the aforementioned W7, 64-bit. 50 more minutes
for a verification, always important if you think you
might actually have to _use_ the backup. What this
means depends on his machine and its capabilities, and
how many gigs he needed to back up. 3 hours sounds
like a lot, but if he has a big movie collection in
there ...?

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:53:27 -0400, John wrote:

At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours. Definitely
not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup? Am I wasting

THREE hours? I use Macrium Reflect Free to backup my C: drive and it
takes about 10 minutes. A *full* backup that is, not incremental. Then I
use LaCie Backup to backup important data (MyDocs etc.) on my D: drive.
Takes another 15 minutes. Then I copy both to an external hdd.

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s|b

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:31 +0200, s|b wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:53:27 -0400, John wrote:

At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours. Definitely
not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup? Am I wasting

THREE hours? I use Macrium Reflect Free to backup my C: drive and it
takes about 10 minutes. A *full* backup that is, not incremental. Then I
use LaCie Backup to backup important data (MyDocs etc.) on my D: drive.
Takes another 15 minutes. Then I copy both to an external hdd.

None of which has a lot of meaning unless we know the sized of the
drives, that is, the amount of data that is being backed up.

It takes my friend 20 minutes to get to the Safeway store, but it only
takes me three minutes.

So do I drive almost seven times as fast, or do I live closer to the
store?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:53:01 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the sized of the drives

Maybe I meant 'sizes'.

It's hard to be a critic when I can't type :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

I thought it was very obvious that my problem centered on the question of
"incremental backup". Fortunately, the advice by Anthony and Paul was
adequate. Eliminating the Media Player Networking fixed the problem.
Incremental backup now takes about 17 minutes, without any additional second
party software. It is clear that without this elimination, "Backup" does a
full backup, not incremental, regardless of size, speed or HD capability.

BTW, the first computer that I had the misfortune of maintaining was a
Burroughs UDEC II, circa 1955, near the U. Of Pennsylvania. I say this
because I did not know what I was doing then, ditto for now.

John




"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:53:01 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the sized of the drives

Maybe I meant 'sizes'.

It's hard to be a critic when I can't type :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:53:01 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:31 +0200, s|b wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:53:27 -0400, John wrote:

At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours. Definitely
not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup? Am I wasting

THREE hours? I use Macrium Reflect Free to backup my C: drive and it
takes about 10 minutes. A *full* backup that is, not incremental. Then I
use LaCie Backup to backup important data (MyDocs etc.) on my D: drive.
Takes another 15 minutes. Then I copy both to an external hdd.

None of which has a lot of meaning unless we know the sized of the
drives, that is, the amount of data that is being backed up.

It takes my friend 20 minutes to get to the Safeway store, but it only
takes me three minutes.

So do I drive almost seven times as fast, or do I live closer to the
store?

Trick question. You drive more than ten times as fast, which gives you
time to stop for an ice cream cone along the way.

--

Char Jackson

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:01:30 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:53:01 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the sized of the drives

Maybe I meant 'sizes'.

It's hard to be a critic when I can't type :-)

On the plus side, you will rarely break Skitt's Law then.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:40:58 -0400, John wrote:

I was also considering Acronis. I had it installed on my old XP system, but
Microsoft claimed that Win 7 solved the Incremental backup requirement.


I had Acronis 2006 or thereabouts on my Win XP computer, and loved
it. I bought 2010 or my new Win 7 laptop, and hate it. The user
interface is incredibly annoying, it's *very* hard actually to back
up everything you need to recover from disaster, and it's dog slow.

They tell me 2011's user interface is even worse.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:31 +0200, s|b wrote:
THREE hours? I use Macrium Reflect Free to backup my C: drive and it
takes about 10 minutes. A *full* backup that is, not incremental.

What's your backup medium, and how many GB of your hard drive are
used?


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:40:49 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:40:58 -0400, John wrote:

I was also considering Acronis. I had it installed on my old XP system, but
Microsoft claimed that Win 7 solved the Incremental backup requirement.


I had Acronis 2006 or thereabouts on my Win XP computer, and loved
it. I bought 2010 or my new Win 7 laptop, and hate it. The user
interface is incredibly annoying, it's *very* hard actually to back
up everything you need to recover from disaster, and it's dog slow.

They tell me 2011's user interface is even worse.

I've used every version from 2006 to 2012 and currently use 2011. I'm
not having any problems with the interface and don't have any problems
deciding what to back up. The interface changes slightly from one
version to the next, but it's usually a pretty minor facelift.

--

Char Jackson

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:53:40 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:53:01 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:31 +0200, s|b wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:53:27 -0400, John wrote:

At the present time, backing up my Win 7 Pro takes over 3 hours. Definitely
not incremental. Is Win 7 capable of a true incremental backup? Am I wasting

THREE hours? I use Macrium Reflect Free to backup my C: drive and it
takes about 10 minutes. A *full* backup that is, not incremental. Then I
use LaCie Backup to backup important data (MyDocs etc.) on my D: drive.
Takes another 15 minutes. Then I copy both to an external hdd.

None of which has a lot of meaning unless we know the sized of the
drives, that is, the amount of data that is being backed up.

It takes my friend 20 minutes to get to the Safeway store, but it only
takes me three minutes.

So do I drive almost seven times as fast, or do I live closer to the
store?

Trick question. You drive more than ten times as fast, which gives you
time to stop for an ice cream cone along the way.

Excellent idea - thanks.

You give real meaning to my remarks :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)