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  #16  
Old March 23rd 18, 04:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Perhaps add this to your list of things to explore this weekend:
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/control_my_monitor.html


I don't have the OP's problem, but thought I'd check that one out anyway
- I have it already as part of NirLauncher (I found I was usually
fetching a NirSoft utility whenever someone mentioned one anyway, so I
decided to just get the lot; it's not exactly a lot of disc space!).

When I run it, it opens, headed
Intel(R) HD Graphics Internal LCD \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0
, but with a big blank window - no parameters to play with. I know that
at least the brightness of my monitor (well, its backlight) _can_ be
adjusted, as there are keyboard keys to do so, and it can indeed be set
in the power scheme settings.
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  #17  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:47:26 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Perhaps add this to your list of things to explore this weekend:
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/control_my_monitor.html


I don't have the OP's problem, but thought I'd check that one out anyway
- I have it already as part of NirLauncher (I found I was usually
fetching a NirSoft utility whenever someone mentioned one anyway, so I
decided to just get the lot; it's not exactly a lot of disc space!).

When I run it, it opens, headed
Intel(R) HD Graphics Internal LCD \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0
, but with a big blank window - no parameters to play with. I know that
at least the brightness of my monitor (well, its backlight) _can_ be
adjusted, as there are keyboard keys to do so, and it can indeed be set
in the power scheme settings.


You might be on to something. On a Win 7 PC I get a blank window with no
video card identified at all. On Win 8.1 PC with two monitors the
program correctly identifies both monitors but only displays attributes
for the second monitor. Are we doing something wrong?

I admit, I hadn't tried it before I suggested it because I also don't
have the OP's issue, but Nirsoft stuff has always been pretty solid.

  #18  
Old March 23rd 18, 09:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

On 3/23/2018 12:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Perhaps add this to your list of things to explore this weekend:
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/control_my_monitor.html


I don't have the OP's problem, but thought I'd check that one out anyway
- I have it already as part of NirLauncher (I found I was usually
fetching a NirSoft utility whenever someone mentioned one anyway, so I
decided to just get the lot; it's not exactly a lot of disc space!).

When I run it, it opens, headed
Intel(R) HD Graphics Internal LCD \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0
, but with a big blank window - no parameters to play with. I know that
at least the brightness of my monitor (well, its backlight) _can_ be
adjusted, as there are keyboard keys to do so, and it can indeed be set
in the power scheme settings.

I have a security suggestion for you with NirSoft tools. Because some of
the tools are similar to "black hat" tools if they are installed on your
system then security scans will mark them and you will require many
exclusion markings. I suggest installing them on a USB stick and only
having the ones you actually use installed on your system.

--
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  #19  
Old March 24th 18, 05:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

In alt.windows7.general, on Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:47:26 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Perhaps add this to your list of things to explore this weekend:
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/control_my_monitor.html


I don't have the OP's problem, but thought I'd check that one out anyway
- I have it already as part of NirLauncher (I found I was usually
fetching a NirSoft utility whenever someone mentioned one anyway, so I
decided to just get the lot; it's not exactly a lot of disc space!).

When I run it, it opens, headed
Intel(R) HD Graphics Internal LCD \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0


Yes, mine displays something like that:
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
\\.1display1\monitor0

, but with a big blank window - no parameters to play with. I know that


And then yes, just a blank window.

His help file gives command line commands, so I just tried:
ControlMyMonitor.exe /SetValue Primary 10 100
which he says will Set the brightness of primary monitor to 100.
But it made no change at all. ;-(

However even if worked and I could put in the startup bat file, I don't
think there is a startup bat file for coming out of sleep or
hibernation, is there?

Still, I could run a bat file say every 5 minutes that would do this,
but like I say, it didn't do anything.

Maybe I named the monitor wrong. I'll try:
ControlMyMonitor.exe /SetValue " \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0" 10 100

10 seems to mean brighness and 12 contrast, but he doesn't include that
in the help.

Maybe it has something to do with being a laptop and not a separate
monitor?

Anyhow, beggars can't be choosers, so Iwill check out the other two.

at least the brightness of my monitor (well, its backlight) _can_ be
adjusted, as there are keyboard keys to do so, and it can indeed be set
in the power scheme settings.


And Zaidy, wrt the advice about the flashdrive, I see your point and it
is appreciated.
  #20  
Old March 25th 18, 02:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
SC Tom[_3_]
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness



"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.windows7.general, on Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:47:26 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
Perhaps add this to your list of things to explore this weekend:
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/control_my_monitor.html


I don't have the OP's problem, but thought I'd check that one out anyway
- I have it already as part of NirLauncher (I found I was usually
fetching a NirSoft utility whenever someone mentioned one anyway, so I
decided to just get the lot; it's not exactly a lot of disc space!).

When I run it, it opens, headed
Intel(R) HD Graphics Internal LCD \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0


Yes, mine displays something like that:
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
\\.1display1\monitor0

, but with a big blank window - no parameters to play with. I know that


And then yes, just a blank window.

His help file gives command line commands, so I just tried:
ControlMyMonitor.exe /SetValue Primary 10 100
which he says will Set the brightness of primary monitor to 100.
But it made no change at all. ;-(

However even if worked and I could put in the startup bat file, I don't
think there is a startup bat file for coming out of sleep or
hibernation, is there?

Still, I could run a bat file say every 5 minutes that would do this,
but like I say, it didn't do anything.

Maybe I named the monitor wrong. I'll try:
ControlMyMonitor.exe /SetValue " \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0" 10 100

10 seems to mean brighness and 12 contrast, but he doesn't include that
in the help.

Maybe it has something to do with being a laptop and not a separate
monitor?

You might be onto something there; my desktop shows my monitor after
refreshing the list (of 1), but my Acer laptop continues showing a blank box
even after refreshing. My "monitor" is listed in the drop-down box, but
still no settings for it.
The Brightness levels are from 0-100; after refreshing, it shows the Max for
each setting, along with if you can edit it or not (Read Only, Write Only,
Read+Write). Of course, that all seems moot on a laptop :-(

Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the Nirsoft
tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the instructions
next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.
--

SC Tom


  #21  
Old March 25th 18, 07:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default NirSoft and SysInternals (was: Laptop always starts less than full brightness)

[When you use an invalid email that isn't obviously so, it's normal to
say that's the case, at the top or just above the .sig separator. I
first sent this as an email reply.]

In message , SC Tom writes:
[]
Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the Nirsoft
tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the
instructions next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.


Thanks for that. I think the only SysInternals utilities I have
installed at the moment are Process Explorer and SyncToy, but since I
usually think (as with NirSoft) that any SysInternal utility I look at
is worth having (once I understand it!, which isn't often!), I thought
I'd have a look at that page.

I see that the latest version of the NirSoft launcher is 1.20.33
(revised 2018-3-18); I have 1.20.28 which I got 2018-2-14. I wouldn't
normally bother with such a slight difference, but thought I would since
I've got the page open [by the way, do you just install it over the old
one? I can't find a mention on the pages].

But when I click on the Download button, I get a 403 - do you?
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  #22  
Old March 26th 18, 12:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
SC Tom[_3_]
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Default NirSoft and SysInternals (was: Laptop always starts less than full brightness)



"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
[When you use an invalid email that isn't obviously so, it's normal to say
that's the case, at the top or just above the .sig separator. I first sent
this as an email reply.]

In message , SC Tom writes:
[]
Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the Nirsoft
tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the instructions
next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.


Thanks for that. I think the only SysInternals utilities I have installed
at the moment are Process Explorer and SyncToy, but since I usually think
(as with NirSoft) that any SysInternal utility I look at is worth having
(once I understand it!, which isn't often!), I thought I'd have a look at
that page.

I see that the latest version of the NirSoft launcher is 1.20.33 (revised
2018-3-18); I have 1.20.28 which I got 2018-2-14. I wouldn't normally
bother with such a slight difference, but thought I would since I've got
the page open [by the way, do you just install it over the old one? I
can't find a mention on the pages].

But when I click on the Download button, I get a 403 - do you?


Using the link I posted, I see that it's now v1.20.34. He must be updating
like mad :-)

I DL'd the newer version (no 403 here) and unzipped it over my current
installation folder, and the Sysinternals wasn't there any more. Under
Launcher, there's a "Add Software Package" option. By clicking that and
selecting the .nlp file that I had previously copied to my
nirsoft\sysinternals\ folder, voila!, they both were available again.
On the DL page, it says not to use an "aggressive download manager" or your
IP may be blocked. If you use one, that may be why the 403?

I also noticed (although it may have been there in the previous version and
I didn't notice it) that there are two green arrows in the bottom right of
the NirLauncher's window- "↑ Package" and "↓ Package". They work the same as
F3 and F4 (although if one only has one other package, both functions would
act the same sheepish grin).

Sorry about the email thing. I get enough spam without posting my real
address in newsgroups :-( If you'd like, I can email you directly and we can
carry on this conversation that way (I do have a couple of posters here that
I communicate privately with, but not many). I usually post everything here
in case someone else might be interested in the subject matter, or in this
case, the sub-subject matter, LOL.
--

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  #23  
Old March 26th 18, 02:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

Is no such thing as a 72 bit Os
your dell is a good model i am suprized you are haveing problems with it but
if its still under warrenty i would be giveing them a call and say hey whats
going on and can you fix it


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"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.windows7.general, on Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:25:36 -0400, "Andy"
wrote:

I run windows 8.1 on my HP LapTop and never have this problem
What make and model is yours?


Dell Latitude E4300 running win7 Pro 64-bit

I tried to upgrade to 72-bit but it wouldn't do it.



  #24  
Old March 26th 18, 04:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

alt.comp.os.windows-8 Andy wrote:
"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.windows7.general, on Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:25:36 -0400, "Andy"
wrote:

I run windows 8.1 on my HP LapTop and never have this problem
What make and model is yours?


Dell Latitude E4300 running win7 Pro 64-bit

I tried to upgrade to 72-bit but it wouldn't do it.


Is no such thing as a 72 bit Os


Well, there have always been double-word OSs/data/instructions for
most if not all computers, so why not a 72-bit OS for a 36-bit (Yes,
36!) computer!? :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-10
  #25  
Old March 26th 18, 05:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

On 2018-03-26, Andy wrote:
Is no such thing as a 72 bit Os


Maybe if you glued two DECSYSTEM-20's together?

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  #26  
Old March 26th 18, 09:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default NirSoft and SysInternals (was: Laptop always starts less than full brightness)

In message , SC Tom writes:
[]
Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the
Nirsoft tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the
instructions next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.

[]
But when I click on the Download button, I get a 403 - do you?


Using the link I posted, I see that it's now v1.20.34. He must be
updating like mad :-)

Indeed!

I DL'd the newer version (no 403 here) and unzipped it over my current
installation folder, and the Sysinternals wasn't there any more. Under
Launcher, there's a "Add Software Package" option. By clicking that and
selecting the .nlp file that I had previously copied to my
nirsoft\sysinternals\ folder, voila!, they both were available again.


Thanks.

On the DL page, it says not to use an "aggressive download manager" or
your IP may be blocked. If you use one, that may be why the 403?


No, just my ancient Firefox 27.0.1 (still giving the 403 with the latest
version).

I also noticed (although it may have been there in the previous version
and I didn't notice it) that there are two green arrows in the bottom
right of the NirLauncher's window- "0 -------------------------------------^^^--------------^^^

[I'm only seeing three spaces where indicated, though I assume you meant
there are left and right arrows in those places.]

work the same as F3 and F4 (although if one only has one other package,
both functions would act the same sheepish grin).

Sorry about the email thing. I get enough spam without posting my real
address in newsgroups :-( If you'd like, I can email you directly and


No problem; I understand the reasoning. It's just that when the munged
one you use isn't _obviously_ fake (and " sounds plausible -
actually looks enviable!), some people put a message just above the
"-- " line giving a hint (I know one person who has an extra DRAGON in
her posted address but has the hint line "emulate St. George to reply",
for example, which I thought quite pleasing). [FWIW, I was getting very
little spam to my old host when I left it about a year or two ago, and I
don't think I've had _any_ to the new one - certainly not enough to be
aware of them; I think the days of 'bots harvesting from usenet are
mostly behind us.]

we can carry on this conversation that way (I do have a couple of
posters here that I communicate privately with, but not many). I

Feel free (anything @255soft.uk will reach me), but ...
usually post everything here in case someone else might be interested
in the subject matter, or in this case, the sub-subject matter, LOL.

.... I'm the same, I generally post for that reason. I only (tried to)
email as I'd thought it had drifted far enough from the original
subject. (I tried to change the Subject: header, but I know some news
clients keep old thread titles.)
--
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Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.
  #27  
Old March 27th 18, 10:14 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

I don't know frank but so far the highest bit OS i have seen is 64
but another poster said this and i like it

Maybe if you glued two DECSYSTEM-20's together?


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"Frank Slootweg" wrote in message
news
alt.comp.os.windows-8 Andy wrote:
"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.windows7.general, on Fri, 23 Mar 2018 04:25:36 -0400, "Andy"
wrote:

I run windows 8.1 on my HP LapTop and never have this problem
What make and model is yours?

Dell Latitude E4300 running win7 Pro 64-bit

I tried to upgrade to 72-bit but it wouldn't do it.


Is no such thing as a 72 bit Os


Well, there have always been double-word OSs/data/instructions for
most if not all computers, so why not a 72-bit OS for a 36-bit (Yes,
36!) computer!? :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-10



  #28  
Old March 27th 18, 10:14 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy
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Default Laptop always starts less than full brightness

One can try Suprized Microsoft has not tried it yet

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"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...
On 2018-03-26, Andy wrote:
Is no such thing as a 72 bit Os


Maybe if you glued two DECSYSTEM-20's together?

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  #29  
Old March 27th 18, 10:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
SC Tom[_3_]
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Default NirSoft and SysInternals (was: Laptop always starts less than full brightness)

*** Replies in-line.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , SC Tom writes:
[]
Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the Nirsoft
tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the instructions
next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.

[]
But when I click on the Download button, I get a 403 - do you?


Using the link I posted, I see that it's now v1.20.34. He must be updating
like mad :-)

Indeed!

I DL'd the newer version (no 403 here) and unzipped it over my current
installation folder, and the Sysinternals wasn't there any more. Under
Launcher, there's a "Add Software Package" option. By clicking that and
selecting the .nlp file that I had previously copied to my
nirsoft\sysinternals\ folder, voila!, they both were available again.


Thanks.

On the DL page, it says not to use an "aggressive download manager" or
your IP may be blocked. If you use one, that may be why the 403?


No, just my ancient Firefox 27.0.1 (still giving the 403 with the latest
version).


*** That is a pretty old version. I tried it with IE11 and Edge, and the DL
worked in both, if either is an option for you (my usual browser is FF
59.0.2).
I can email it to you as an attachment, changing the .zip to, say, .txt to
avoid it being blocked. It is 26.6MB if that's not too large for our ISPs.
If that's too large, I can break it down into smaller pieces and send one
piece per email :-)


I also noticed (although it may have been there in the previous version
and I didn't notice it) that there are two green arrows in the bottom
right of the NirLauncher's window-
"0 -------------------------------------^^^--------------^^^

[I'm only seeing three spaces where indicated, though I assume you meant
there are left and right arrows in those places.]


*** Actually, it's an up arrow and down arrow for the Package selection.


work the same as F3 and F4 (although if one only has one other package,
both functions would act the same sheepish grin).

Sorry about the email thing. I get enough spam without posting my real
address in newsgroups :-( If you'd like, I can email you directly and


No problem; I understand the reasoning. It's just that when the munged one
you use isn't _obviously_ fake (and " sounds plausible -
actually looks enviable!), some people put a message just above the
"-- " line giving a hint (I know one person who has an extra DRAGON in her
posted address but has the hint line "emulate St. George to reply", for
example, which I thought quite pleasing). [FWIW, I was getting very little
spam to my old host when I left it about a year or two ago, and I don't
think I've had _any_ to the new one - certainly not enough to be aware of
them; I think the days of 'bots harvesting from usenet are mostly behind
us.]

we can carry on this conversation that way (I do have a couple of posters
here that I communicate privately with, but not many). I

Feel free (anything @255soft.uk will reach me), but ...
usually post everything here in case someone else might be interested in
the subject matter, or in this case, the sub-subject matter, LOL.

... I'm the same, I generally post for that reason. I only (tried to)
email as I'd thought it had drifted far enough from the original subject.
(I tried to change the Subject: header, but I know some news clients keep
old thread titles.)


--

SC Tom


  #30  
Old March 27th 18, 10:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default NirSoft and SysInternals (was: Laptop always starts less than full brightness)

In message , SC Tom writes:
*** Replies in-line.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , SC Tom writes:
[]
Aside to J.P.- If you use the Sysinternals Suite along with the
Nirsoft tools, you can incorporate them into the Nirsoft Launcher
http://launcher.nirsoft.net/downloads/index.html.
I used the "sysinternals4.nlp" to merge them, following the
instructions next to "sysinternals2.nlp", and it works very smoothly.


It does, doesn't it!
[]
But when I click on the Download button, I get a 403 - do you?

[]
On the DL page, it says not to use an "aggressive download manager"
or your IP may be blocked. If you use one, that may be why the 403?


No, just my ancient Firefox 27.0.1 (still giving the 403 with the
latest version).


*** That is a pretty old version. I tried it with IE11 and Edge, and
the DL worked in both, if either is an option for you (my usual browser
is FF 59.0.2).


I tried with Chrome, and to my surprise it downloaded! It seems odd that
a simple file download should be browser-version-dependent.

I can email it to you as an attachment, changing the .zip to, say, .txt
to avoid it being blocked. It is 26.6MB if that's not too large for our
ISPs. If that's too large, I can break it down into smaller pieces and
send one piece per email :-)

(I had thought of asking you to, but it seemed a bit of a big ask! All
sorted now, anyway. Thanks for the offer.)

I also noticed (although it may have been there in the previous
version and I didn't notice it) that there are two green arrows in
the bottom right of the NirLauncher's window- "0
-------------------------------------^^^--------------^^^

[I'm only seeing three spaces where indicated, though I assume you
meant there are left and right arrows in those places.]


*** Actually, it's an up arrow and down arrow for the Package selection.

So I see. (Had you pasted graphics into your post?)

work the same as F3 and F4 (although if one only has one other
package, both functions would act the same sheepish grin).


Indeed, as I do at the moment!
[discussion re emailing snipped.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.
 




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