I'm afraid of doing updates

I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to input login
password and I've took the decision to restore windows 8. Found that system
was not well configured from shop because then I was able to do updates.
Decided to update all. Next I was getting errors when closing applications
with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut. Made a lot of experiences with keyboard
layouts and non windows services working in background. Now windows is
working as expected. I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help
me.

Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to input
login password and I've took the decision to restore windows 8. Found
that system was not well configured from shop because then I was able to
do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting errors when
closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut. Made a lot of
experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows services working in
background. Now windows is working as expected. I'm happy with current
configuration but I'm afraid to do more updates because I feel I will
get into trouble and nobody could help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse problems.

--
Blue

Per Jon:
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help
me.

Get an imaging utility and make an image of the "Good" system before
applying updates. Then you can fall back to the "Good" system if/when
the updates hose your system and research a little to see if others are
similarly affected and/or what to do next.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:40:35 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per Jon:
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help
me.

Get an imaging utility and make an image of the "Good" system before
applying updates. Then you can fall back to the "Good" system if/when
the updates hose your system and research a little to see if others are
similarly affected and/or what to do next.

Two points. Firstly, as you have properly been told, a system image
can get you out of a lot of problems as can a system restore and in
any case there are not many problems that cannot be solved with a spot
of intense googling or a post here.

Secondly, today's updates are very good. At last OneNote does not ask
for my password 3 dozen times before having the grace to connect to my
hosted sharepoint site. I did the registry hack months ago and could
persuade it to connect but it was a long and arduous process. Not any
more!

Well done M$.

On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:05:57 +0100, "Jon"
wrote in

Now windows is
working as expected. I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates

As well you should be afraid. Windows updates have a long history of
breaking what was previously working. That's why a lot of people
don't update.
--
I kill-file all messages posted through Google Groups.

"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows 8.
Found that system was not well configured from shop because then I
was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut. Made
a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows services
working in background. Now windows is working as expected. I'm happy
with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more updates because
I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"Paul" wrote in message
...
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Jon:
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more
updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help
me.

Get an imaging utility and make an image of the "Good" system before
applying updates. Then you can fall back to the "Good" system if/when
the updates hose your system and research a little to see if others
are similarly affected and/or what to do next.

This is an example of an imaging utility. And because it is
free, you don't have an excuse not to do it.

Actually I would say this is an example of don't fix what isn't broken.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:37 PM:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows 8.
Found that system was not well configured from shop because then I
was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut. Made
a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows services
working in background. Now windows is working as expected. I'm happy
with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more updates because
I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

The latest update that people are calling 8.1.1 KB2919355 has a comment
that this update is required so you can continue to get windows 8.1
updates. I kinda read into that comment that you won't get updated
and of course become vulnerable.

"Big Al" wrote in message
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BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:37 PM:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows
8. Found that system was not well configured from shop because then
I was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut.
Made a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows
services working in background. Now windows is working as expected.
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more
updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could
help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse
problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

The latest update that people are calling 8.1.1 KB2919355 has a
comment that this update is required so you can continue to get
windows 8.1 updates. I kinda read into that comment that you won't
get updated and of course become vulnerable.

Being become vulnerable to what? I have been running Windows since '93
and I haven't gotten a virus or a trojan yet. I did get a trojan on my
Commodore though back in the late 80's. The damn thing was written by
Berkeley Softworks.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:56 PM:
"Big Al" wrote in message
eb.com...

BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:37 PM:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows
8. Found that system was not well configured from shop because then
I was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut.
Made a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows
services working in background. Now windows is working as expected.
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more
updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could
help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse
problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

The latest update that people are calling 8.1.1 KB2919355 has a
comment that this update is required so you can continue to get
windows 8.1 updates. I kinda read into that comment that you won't
get updated and of course become vulnerable.

Being become vulnerable to what? I have been running Windows since '93
and I haven't gotten a virus or a trojan yet. I did get a trojan on my
Commodore though back in the late 80's. The damn thing was written by
Berkeley Softworks.

Commodore running basic off of a bootable rom chip. Boy that's a good
trojan.

"Big Al" wrote in message
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BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:56 PM:
"Big Al" wrote in message
eb.com...

BillW50 said on 4/9/2014 5:37 PM:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows
8. Found that system was not well configured from shop because
then I was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was
getting errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard
shortcut. Made a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non
windows services working in background. Now windows is working as
expected. I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody
could help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse
problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

The latest update that people are calling 8.1.1 KB2919355 has a
comment that this update is required so you can continue to get
windows 8.1 updates. I kinda read into that comment that you
won't get updated and of course become vulnerable.

Being become vulnerable to what? I have been running Windows since
'93 and I haven't gotten a virus or a trojan yet. I did get a trojan
on my Commodore though back in the late 80's. The damn thing was
written by Berkeley Softworks.

Commodore running basic off of a bootable rom chip. Boy that's a
good trojan.

No, it didn't effect the CBM-DOS, just deleted the GEOS boot files.
Berkeley Softworks sold you GEOS on a floppy, then it later becomes
ransomware. As the copy protected floppy would die about 6 months later
of daily booting. Then Berkeley Softworks asks 20 more bucks to replace
it. Well after 3 replacements I got tired of this nonsense and cracked
the copy protection. No need to pay for ransomware anymore. Then
Berkeley Softworks came up with a free desktop upgrade. It was really
nice and also contained a hidden trojan. Boot with a cracked copy and
your boot files would disappear. Now you are back to paying for
ransomware again. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
"Big Al" wrote in message
eb.com...
[...]
Commodore running basic off of a bootable rom chip. Boy that's a
good trojan.

No, it didn't effect the CBM-DOS, just deleted the GEOS boot files...

Although if you wanted to write a trojan for CBM-DOS, it isn't really
that hard. It was only a small amount of code to copy the ROM to RAM and
then launch the OS from RAM. From the users point of view, it would
operate the same. Except you are free to insert a trojan or any other
malware you wanted to without the user being the wiser.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows 8.
Found that system was not well configured from shop because then I
was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut. Made
a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows services
working in background. Now windows is working as expected. I'm happy
with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more updates because
I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?


Flippancy doesn't become you not does your "advice".

--
Blue

VinnyB wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2014 13:05:57 +0100, "Jon"
wrote in

Now windows is
working as expected. I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to
do more updates

As well you should be afraid. Windows updates have a long history of
breaking what was previously working. That's why a lot of people
don't update.


Funny, I have been updating Windows machines since 97 and *never* had a
problem with a single one. What am I doing wrong?

--
Blue

"Blue" wrote in message
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
Jon wrote:
I had windows 8 working right but sudenlly keyboard refused to
inputlogin password and I've took the decision to restore windows
8. Found that system was not well configured from shop because then
I was able to do updates. Decided to update all. Next I was getting
errors when closing applications with Alt+F4 keyboard shortcut.
Made a lot of experiences with keyboard layouts and non windows
services working in background. Now windows is working as expected.
I'm happy with current configuration but I'm afraid to do more
updates because I feel I will get into trouble and nobody could
help me.

If you don't do the updates, you run the risk of even worse
problems.

Like what? The Microsoft police will pay you a visit?

Flippancy doesn't become you not does your "advice".

Whoa! Doesn't anybody bother to read my references? I know for a fact
Char doesn't, because if he did he wouldn't make such comments
concerning his slanderous and liable abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack

Now on the surface, security updates sounds like a wonderful idea. But
if you read the link I provided, a security hole exists on average for
10 months before it gets plugged. And at worst, can exist up to 7 years
before it gets plugged.

This is horrible! Hackers can have a field day with attacks for the
first 10 months and heaven forbid for 7 years worth. So I ask what is
the point of patching the OS for old holes that the hackers have already
had taken full advantage of the holes before they even get patched? And
by the time they are patched, hackers have moved on to bigger and
better holes.

What is far better protection than security updates (which is always too
late anyway to be very useful) is protecting your machine(s) with real
time AV scanners. Here new malware are blocked usually within the first
24 hours. And it doesn't matter which port hackers try to attack, the AV
is scanning them. And if some malware somehow gets by, it still can't do
anything until it gets executed. And the AV scans it again before it
does executed. Thus it still gets stopped in its tracks on two levels.

If having no protection against brand new malware isn't good enough for
you, there are other options. One of the more popular ways is
sandboxing. This is very effective against zero day attacks.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center