Hard-drive corruption question

I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was added
to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website which said
nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other computers as a
primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time the computer will
not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD shows errors in
ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the diagnostics) the
computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including the Windows CD)
crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader which in a crude
DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact, but I don't know how
to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs which
crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't copy
from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

Are you trying to boot from the drive? If so the problem is probably that
the boot sector on the drive is not the correct one for your Systems BIOS
and you will need to run a repair installation using your OS installation
disk or possibly running repair from an F8 boot.

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was added
to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website which said
nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other computers as a
primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time the computer will
not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD shows errors in
ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the diagnostics) the
computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including the Windows CD)
crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader which in a crude
DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact, but I don't know
how to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs
which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Are you trying to boot from the drive? If so the problem is probably that
the boot sector on the drive is not the correct one for your Systems BIOS
and you will need to run a repair installation using your OS installation
disk or possibly running repair from an F8 boot.

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time
the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD
shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the
diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including
the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader which
in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact, but I
don't know how to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys without
booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you might
try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Are you trying to boot from the drive? If so the problem is probably
that the boot sector on the drive is not the correct one for your Systems
BIOS and you will need to run a repair installation using your OS
installation disk or possibly running repair from an F8 boot.

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have a hard drive that stopped functioning when other hardware was
added to the system. I ran diagnostics from the manufacturer website
which said nothing was wrong. I have added that drive to three other
computers as a primary or slave, or in an external USB case. Each time
the computer will not boot past the intial windows flag screen, and BSOD
shows errors in ntfs.sys. If I boot to any non-ntfs boot disk (like the
diagnostics) the computer does not crash, but any ntfs disk (including
the Windows CD) crashes with the BSOD. I downloaded an ntfs reader
which in a crude DOS-like format shows that the files are still intact,
but I don't know how to view the file system and replace ntfs.sys
without booting to ntfs which crashes the system.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to
ntfs? The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I
can't copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.
Mich

I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and got
my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard video. The
drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB.
In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and got
my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard video. The
drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB.
In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

M Skabialka wrote:
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive as
the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through USB. In
all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive
as "slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered
as master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't
automatically make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have
to be in the correct position.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the
list of "bootable" devices.

Use a partition editor (such as PartEd) to remove the bootable flag on
the problem hard drive.

Is there a utility out there to replace ntfs.sys without booting to ntfs?
The ntfs reader will only copy from NTFS to a FAT partition, so I can't
copy from one ntfs drive to the other in a 2 drive system.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

***Note: SystemRescueCD is Linux based.

"propman" wrote in message
...

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.


A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

I'll look at this...

SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

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M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message
...
Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Stops the defective hard drive from booting and crashing the system
maybe? :-)

You have to use the floppy and/or cd-rom, or USB memory stick or
whatever to boot and run your diagnostics.


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open



Works here...... :-)

M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Sent the other reply and then realize I didn't expand on this topic
sufficiently....sorry about that. :-)

What I am referring to is a system that has more than one hard drive
installed AND more than one hard drive is bootable; therefore, upon
booting up the system, a choice of which hard drive to boot (via the
BIOS) is available (basically a form of a boot manager). Some systems
BIOS's allow the addition/subtraction of boot-devices (in this case hard
drives)into lists of "use this device as a boot device" or "don't use
this device as a boot device" which is a bit more flexible than just the
more common sequential "floppy, then CD-ROM, then Hard Drive" sequence. :-)

M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message
...
Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Stops the defective hard drive from booting and crashing the system
maybe? :-)

You have to use the floppy and/or cd-rom, or USB memory stick or
whatever to boot and run your diagnostics.


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open



Works here...... :-)

M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Sent the other reply and then realize I didn't expand on this topic
sufficiently....sorry about that. :-)

What I am referring to is a system that has more than one hard drive
installed AND more than one hard drive is bootable; therefore, upon
booting up the system, a choice of which hard drive to boot (via the
BIOS) is available (basically a form of a boot manager). Some systems
BIOS's allow the addition/subtraction of boot-devices (in this case hard
drives)into lists of "use this device as a boot device" or "don't use
this device as a boot device" which is a bit more flexible than just the
more common sequential "floppy, then CD-ROM, then Hard Drive" sequence. :-)

"propman" wrote in message
...

Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.


A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.


Hiren's BootCD
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

I'll look at this...

SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open