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The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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They are Hidden..........
1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files | View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ ....
are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files | View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such as
FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands of files residing there - (mostly 0-size). You can also delete them via the Search engine. -- johnf OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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john,
I see you're using Outlook Express. All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook Express. Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of those 0 byte files is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files. I have the three temp files just from writing this message. wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB, wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just saved and closed this message again. :-) -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In , johnf hunted and pecked: If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands of files residing there - (mostly 0-size). You can also delete them via the Search engine. -- johnf OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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Ron,
Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up. I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable. Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5. As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do things. You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\ Content.MSO No need for third party tools to view the folders/files. I have a shortcut to: C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 On my Desktop. If you don't check: Delete all offline content, only the Temporary Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned. However your C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large. This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat As a side note. Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors." There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-) I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have to read many sources. Here's a fairly good one. Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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Thanks, Wes, I often wondered where those 0-byte ones came from. Yep, I only
use IE for NG's, Outlook for mail. IE is a pain for amassing hidden files. I should have woken up yesterday when I was cleaning up a friend's PC. She insisted on my installing Incredimail for her (against my wishes), doesn't have Outlook, so had been using IE for email. IE had only 3 mails in the Inbox - all other folders 'empty', then I happened to check in - "C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\xxxxx}\Microsoft\Outlook Express" What did I find there? .DBX files = Sent Items (230MB), Outbox (230MB), Deleted Items (235MB) Back to IE, "Files/Folders/Compact all folders" pulled them all back to ~60KB (700MB HDD space recovered) So much for 'empty' folders. I was also able to open those .DBX files with Textpad and read all mails sent & received for the previous 12 months. So much for using IE as your mail program. -- johnf john, I see you're using Outlook Express. All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook Express. Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of those 0 byte files is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files. I have the three temp files just from writing this message. wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB, wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just saved and closed this message again. :-) -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In , johnf hunted and pecked: If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands of files residing there - (mostly 0-size). You can also delete them via the Search engine. -- johnf OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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johnf,
Cleanup... OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance | Clean Up Now button | Remove Messages | Answer: YES | Close | OK Make sure... OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance | UNCheck: Compact messages in backround To compact all folders... OE | File | Work Offline | In the Folders pane | Select: Outlook Express | Alt + F + F + F Don't forget to go to File | and uncheck: Work Offline InsideOE: Maintenance http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In , johnf hunted and pecked: Thanks, Wes, I often wondered where those 0-byte ones came from. Yep, I only use IE for NG's, Outlook for mail. IE is a pain for amassing hidden files. I should have woken up yesterday when I was cleaning up a friend's PC. She insisted on my installing Incredimail for her (against my wishes), doesn't have Outlook, so had been using IE for email. IE had only 3 mails in the Inbox - all other folders 'empty', then I happened to check in - "C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\xxxxx}\Microsoft\Outlook Express" What did I find there? .DBX files = Sent Items (230MB), Outbox (230MB), Deleted Items (235MB) Back to IE, "Files/Folders/Compact all folders" pulled them all back to ~60KB (700MB HDD space recovered) So much for 'empty' folders. I was also able to open those .DBX files with Textpad and read all mails sent & received for the previous 12 months. So much for using IE as your mail program. -- johnf john, I see you're using Outlook Express. All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook Express. Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of those 0 byte files is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files. I have the three temp files just from writing this message. wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB, wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just saved and closed this message again. :-) -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In , johnf hunted and pecked: If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands of files residing there - (mostly 0-size). You can also delete them via the Search engine. -- johnf OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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Wes,
Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these matters. You have earned the title of 'CleanUp Man'. Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View to see all hidden files and folders and protected system files. Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently when I used Norton AntiVirus to scan my C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it was scanning @ 144,000 files. I decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared from in a weeks time. If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20 Directories. If I do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I find I have a total of 2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in these 20 Directories. Yet Norton scan shows 144,000 files. Investigating further I find a great discrepancy when I highlight a directory and click properties as opposed to running Norton scan on that directory. For example, Program Files\Properties indicates 10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files. Windows\Properties shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files. Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20 Directories, I total 6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find 9,190,223,872 bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder or file count in 'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the sum of its parts since I am configured to view all files. This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton (144,000) versus my detailed count (31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself and would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an increase in files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000. This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed someplace that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue. Comments? Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance, Ron Patterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Vogel" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing Ron, Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up. I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable. Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5. As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do things. You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\ Content.MSO No need for third party tools to view the folders/files. I have a shortcut to: C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 On my Desktop. If you don't check: Delete all offline content, only the Temporary Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned. However your C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large. This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat As a side note. Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors." There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-) I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have to read many sources. Here's a fairly good one. Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:7qGMc.158296$IQ4.134538@attbi_s02... Ron, Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up. I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable. Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5. As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do things. You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\ Content.MSO No need for third party tools to view the folders/files. I have a shortcut to: C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 On my Desktop. If you don't check: Delete all offline content, only the Temporary Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned. However your C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large. This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat As a side note. Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors." There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-) I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have to read many sources. Here's a fairly good one. Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!! Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener! And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here. Thanks again, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53... They are Hidden.......... 1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially if there are a large number of files. 2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files 3) Check the box Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the temporary internet files 5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive. To display hidden files and folders http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn From XP HELP: To display hidden files and folders [[Open Folder Options in Control Panel. Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. Double-click Folder Options On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and folders]] To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop. Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options. General tab | Settings button | View Files button To view: C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files View Files button Or... Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK | You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files Click: [+] Content.IE5 Click: Random named folders View You can also view Content.MSO -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files - - in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them? Ron Patterson |
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I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-) It's free and cool. [[Easy to use one-click cleaning Cleaning Presets Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q') Extendibility by plug-ins ]] Disk Cleaner http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/ ---- Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be super hidden. Shrug. ---- Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB. ----- Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff... I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which. If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens. C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\ Is it the same folder that opens from.. IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab | Settings button | View Objects ???? C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files Or is it different?? If different, does it show any *.dll files??? ----- Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account. Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I do not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really. C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 Right click Content.IE5 | Properties | Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes) Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes) It actually contains 2 files right now: desktop.ini Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes) Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes) index.dat Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other. ----- I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this info being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar knapkins. :-) I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins. Short version...... Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors. Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents, My Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them special is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the registry, where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is {7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}. snippage Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000} The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line disables the Search utility from searching through the folder. If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can fool Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo] line. a lot of snippage With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini files.... Smoke and mirrors. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In hlink.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Wes, Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these matters. You have earned the title of 'CleanUp Man'. Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View to see all hidden files and folders and protected system files. Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently when I used Norton AntiVirus to scan my C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it was scanning @ 144,000 files. I decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared from in a weeks time. If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20 Directories. If I do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I find I have a total of 2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in these 20 Directories. Yet Norton scan shows 144,000 files. Investigating further I find a great discrepancy when I highlight a directory and click properties as opposed to running Norton scan on that directory. For example, Program Files\Properties indicates 10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files. Windows\Properties shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files. Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20 Directories, I total 6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find 9,190,223,872 bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder or file count in 'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the sum of its parts since I am configured to view all files. This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton (144,000) versus my detailed count (31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself and would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an increase in files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000. This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed someplace that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue. Comments? Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance, Ron Patterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Vogel" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing Ron, Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up. I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable. Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5. As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do things. You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\ Content.MSO No need for third party tools to view the folders/files. I have a shortcut to: C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 On my Desktop. If you don't check: Delete all offline content, only the Temporary Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned. However your C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large. This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat As a side note. Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors." There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-) I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have to read many sources. Here's a fairly good one. Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. SNIP |
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"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53... Ron, I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-) It's free and cool. [[Easy to use one-click cleaning Cleaning Presets Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q') Extendibility by plug-ins ]] Disk Cleaner http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/ ---- Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be super hidden. Shrug. ---- Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB. ----- Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff... I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which. Pro If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens. C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\ Is it the same folder that opens from.. IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab | Settings button | View Objects ???? C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files Yes, they are identical in Pro via either access. Or is it different?? If different, does it show any *.dll files??? It does not Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account. Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I do not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really. C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 Right click Content.IE5 | Properties | Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes) Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes) It actually contains 2 files right now: desktop.ini Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes) Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes) Aha, perhaps a chance to show my ass and try to contribute something. Is it possible if you fomatted to NTSF (?) that the minimum cluster size is 4Kb so any file smaller than that will still aways show as 4Kb? index.dat Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other. ----- I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this info being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar knapkins. :-) I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins. Short version...... Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors. Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents, My Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them special is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the registry, where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is {7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}. snippage Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000} The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line disables the Search utility from searching through the folder. If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can fool Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo] line. a lot of snippage With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini files.... Smoke and mirrors. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes Wes, thanks for all the education. I learned a lot. And I do appreciate the not inconsiderable amount of time this has taken you. Regards, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53... Ron, I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-) It's free and cool. [[Easy to use one-click cleaning Cleaning Presets Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q') Extendibility by plug-ins ]] Disk Cleaner http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/ ---- Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be super hidden. Shrug. ---- Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB. ----- Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff... I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which. If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens. C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\ Is it the same folder that opens from.. IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab | Settings button | View Objects ???? C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files Or is it different?? If different, does it show any *.dll files??? ----- Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account. Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I do not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really. C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 Right click Content.IE5 | Properties | Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes) Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes) It actually contains 2 files right now: desktop.ini Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes) Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes) index.dat Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other. ----- I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this info being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar knapkins. :-) I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins. Short version...... Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors. Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents, My Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them special is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the registry, where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is {7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}. snippage Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000} The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line disables the Search utility from searching through the folder. If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can fool Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo] line. a lot of snippage With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini files.... Smoke and mirrors. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In hlink.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: Wes, Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these matters. You have earned the title of 'CleanUp Man'. Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View to see all hidden files and folders and protected system files. Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently when I used Norton AntiVirus to scan my C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it was scanning @ 144,000 files. I decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared from in a weeks time. If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20 Directories. If I do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I find I have a total of 2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in these 20 Directories. Yet Norton scan shows 144,000 files. Investigating further I find a great discrepancy when I highlight a directory and click properties as opposed to running Norton scan on that directory. For example, Program Files\Properties indicates 10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files. Windows\Properties shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files. Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20 Directories, I total 6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find 9,190,223,872 bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder or file count in 'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the sum of its parts since I am configured to view all files. This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton (144,000) versus my detailed count (31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself and would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an increase in files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000. This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed someplace that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue. Comments? Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance, Ron Patterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Vogel" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing Ron, Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up. I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable. Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5. As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do things. You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\ Content.MSO No need for third party tools to view the folders/files. I have a shortcut to: C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 On my Desktop. If you don't check: Delete all offline content, only the Temporary Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned. However your C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large. This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat As a side note. Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean: C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors." There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-) I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have to read many sources. Here's a fairly good one. Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ .... are now down to 51. SNIP |
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The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing
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No, your replies are in black. ;-) I, "Read all messages in plain text." Give the man a cigar!! You got it. I never even thought of that. Hard drive was originally formatted FAT32. Reformatted to NTFS. Volume Local Disk (C Volume size = 9.49 GB Cluster size = 4 KB You are welcome. Keep having fun!! :-) -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In link.net, Ron Patterson hunted and pecked: My replies in red. "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53... Ron, I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-) It's free and cool. [[Easy to use one-click cleaning Cleaning Presets Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q') Extendibility by plug-ins ]] Disk Cleaner http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/ ---- Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be super hidden. Shrug. ---- Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB. ----- Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff... I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which. Pro If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens. C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\ Is it the same folder that opens from.. IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab | Settings button | View Objects ???? C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files Yes, they are identical in Pro via either access. Or is it different?? If different, does it show any *.dll files??? It does not Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account. Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I do not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really. C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 Right click Content.IE5 | Properties | Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes) Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes) It actually contains 2 files right now: desktop.ini Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes) Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes) Aha, perhaps a chance to show my ass and try to contribute something. Is it possible if you fomatted to NTSF (?) that the minimum cluster size is 4Kb so any file smaller than that will still aways show as 4Kb? index.dat Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes) It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other. ----- I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this info being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar knapkins. :-) I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins. Short version...... Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors. Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents, My Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them special is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the registry, where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is {7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}. snippage Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5: desktop.ini [.ShellClassInfo] UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933} CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000} The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line disables the Search utility from searching through the folder. If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can fool Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo] line. a lot of snippage With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini files.... Smoke and mirrors. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes Wes, thanks for all the education. I learned a lot. And I do appreciate the not inconsiderable amount of time this has taken you. Regards, Ron "Wesley Vogel" wrote in message news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53... SNIP |
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The dbx reader and dbx extract has prompted you a path of the Outlook Express files' storage. And now save the damaged dbx files in the safe folder, they can be useful.
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