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kony wrote:
No, your presumption is only valid in a free competitive market. That market most definitely does not exist where Windows is concerned. My statement was accurate, MS could've simply tweaked the GUI and packaged the already-scheduled patches to Win2K and sold it as XP. HAHA ... that's essentially what they did! It's just part of the MickeyMouse con job. Read a history here and you'll find that MickeyMouse has been behaving like this for a long time! http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/...t/IhateMS.html -- ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°øø¤º°`°ø,¸¸ ,ø¤º°`°ø Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient. Legal Notice And Disclaimer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html |
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Leythos wrote:
What type of machine? Have you tried Fedora Core 3? The guy's an idiot. Send your 14 year old son over to help him out. He's been spewing ad nausea that Linux isn't ready for the desktop because HE IS UNABLE TO INSTALL IT ... actually to get a LIVE CD working on his system. -- ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°øø¤º°`°ø,¸¸ ,ø¤º°`°ø Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient. Legal Notice And Disclaimer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html |
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kurttrail wrote:
Leythos wrote: Linux is a very good server OS. As a multimedia OS, it is a child. You're so full of ****, you're turning brown. MythTV has been around longer than your beloved Windows Multimedia OS, and can do as much and I'm sure better than Windoze. Most average users would be able to do as much with Linux as they can with Windows, but that will change. MS's monopoly days are numbered, but not over with yet. If MS's monopoly had anything to do with either its innovation or quality of its products, it would have been gone a long time ago. It's monopoly is due ONLY to its marketing muscle and the way it has held computer distributors at ransom forcing them to package that *******ized system with every PC they sell. I told you the other day to read the history, but I see that you're unable to even do that ... http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/...t/IhateMS.html You're just a blowhart that fires off with your little mind, and doesn't have a clue about what you're talking about. -- ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°øø¤º°`°ø,¸¸ ,ø¤º°`°ø Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient. Legal Notice And Disclaimer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html |
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Is that true?
The truth is out there. Got SP2's supplemental EULA a few minutes ago. I like this part, Mike: "...YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA." Its so nice of Microsoft to shout in my face that I have no rights, isn't it? I find this part deeply disturbing, aswell: "The OS Software and OS Components include features described below that are enabled by default to connect via the Internet to Microsoft computer systems automatically, without separate notice to you." The only people I allow to connect to, w/o a notice ot me, is my ISP. Also, it appears that Windows Messenger is not permitted to be turned off. Which they said it could be, in this EULA. But I can't actually turn msmsgs.exe off... *HELP* |
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"T. Waters" wrote Violent people do need to be "put somewhere." The problem is, we do not at this time have a place other than prisons for the criminally insane (which have limited space) and regular prisons. That's because the prisons are filled with drug users, inordinate long sentences and people who steal because they're hungry. California's three strike draconian laws come to mind. Alias |
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 23:58:49 GMT, Leythos wrote:
I would have no problem if the ruling was "Guilty by reason of insanity" as a means to identify those people that fit the description. It would indicate they ARE guilty (as they really did commit the crime) and that they are insane - so, they get treatment, then do time for the crime (in any order).... I think you may misunderstand the legal terms "guilty" and "crime". Forget, for a moment, the issue of the insanity plea. Say, for instance, your 5 year old was disciplined by her mother and she was very angry about it. She got into her dad's gun case and shot her mother dead. The facts of the case are simple and clear- the 5 year old caused the death of her mother. The first legal question is whither or not a crime has been committed. A crime, in the legal sense, can only be committed by an individual who can reasonably be expected to understand the consequences of their actions. No competent DA in the country would, in this case, attempt to convince a jury that a 5 year old girl fully understood the consequences of her actions when she pulled the trigger on her dad's 357 magnum and blew the top of her mother's head off because her mother would not let her go out and play until she ate all her peas. The DA would quickly conclude that no crime was committed in the first place because we are not dealing with a responsible person by anyone's definition legal or otherwise. So the verdict "innocent by reason of insanity" makes perfect sense. Both a five year old and a deeply disturbed psychotic are truly innocent of committing a crime because they may both be equally incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions. That is they are legally not capable of committing a crime in the first place. On the other hand a verdict of "guilty by reason of insanity" is a contradiction in terms. A person is either guilty (fully responsible and competent and thus held responsible for their actions) or insane (not responsible thus not capable of a criminal act in the first place) but not both at the same time. As far as the law is concerned, in general, neither a 5 year old, nor a psychotic nor a rabid mad dog commits crimes only a competent moral agent can do that. |
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NoStop wrote:
kurttrail wrote: Leythos wrote: Linux is a very good server OS. As a multimedia OS, it is a child. You're so full of ****, you're turning brown. MythTV has been around longer than your beloved Windows Multimedia OS, and can do as much and I'm sure better than Windoze. Which is longer? The list of hardware the Myth runs on or the list of hardware it won't? And I didn't know that MythTV is a Linux Distro! Most average users would be able to do as much with Linux as they can with Windows, but that will change. MS's monopoly days are numbered, but not over with yet. If MS's monopoly had anything to do with either its innovation or quality of its products, it would have been gone a long time ago. It's monopoly is due ONLY to its marketing muscle and the way it has held computer distributors at ransom forcing them to package that *******ized system with every PC they sell. So? And the other thing it did well was repackage the innovation of others. I told you the other day to read the history, but I see that you're unable to even do that ... http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/...t/IhateMS.html I skimmed through it. You're just a blowhart that fires off with your little mind, and doesn't have a clue about what you're talking about. LOL! Much more than you. I not the one that is a diehard Zealot. I see good in both. I can't hep it that Linux is not yet ready for the average computer user. I'm hoping that it will be before MS releases Longhorn, but right now I'd say it is too close to call. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Leythos wrote: OEM preinstalled consumer-oriented PC. How is that a monopoly? If the USER makes the choice to pick a Windows based computer when other OS systems are in the same store? Linux is not ready for all. No distro a Linux Live CD's will run on my machine. What type of machine? A Multimedia machine. Have you tried Fedora Core 3? Does it have a Live CD? I ain't gonna try to install any distro on my machine until a live CD distro will boot into a GUI desktop. I don't know if they have a "Live CD" as I just swap drives when I want to play with a new OS, I never dual/X boot, always a virgin install on a clean drive. And I'm not even gonna do that until a Live CD will boot on my computer. Linux is a very good server OS. As a multimedia OS, it is a child. I agree, as a workstation and server and general home user desktop it's a fine product at this time (some distro's), as a multi-media rich desktop it's not a good choice at this time. It will play DVD's and music just fine, but I would not suggest it for other multi-media functions at this time - but not many people do more than play DVD/Music. I watch and record HDTV, create my own DVDs, edit music, . . . . plus much more. Most average users would be able to do as much with Linux as they can with Windows, but that will change. MS's monopoly days are numbered, but not over with yet. It's only a monopoly due to the CURRENTLY installed base, as new systems are purchased that is changing, so, it's no longer a monopoly, it's just still popular. LOL! Like somebody said earlier in this thread, How many keyboards come with a Linux button? 95% of the market is a monopoly. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Hi Michael,
Aren't YOU glad you asked a question! So far 260+ 'opinions' and counting..... But I get the feeling the jury is still out..... Don't you just looooove newsnet..... :-)) george "Michael C" wrote in message ... Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung up! I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine and will activate ok. Is that true? |
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kurttrail wrote:
NoStop wrote: If MS's monopoly had anything to do with either its innovation or quality of its products, it would have been gone a long time ago. It's monopoly is due ONLY to its marketing muscle and the way it has held computer distributors at ransom forcing them to package that *******ized system with every PC they sell. So? And the other thing it did well was repackage the innovation of others. And in some cases kill the innovation of others after buying them out. I told you the other day to read the history, but I see that you're unable to even do that ... http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/...t/IhateMS.html I skimmed through it. Had you done more than "skim", I wouldn't have to had to tell you the above. LOL! Much more than you. I not the one that is a diehard Zealot. I see good in both. I can't hep it that Linux is not yet ready for the average computer user. Sorry Kurt, but I just don't believe you. You could not possibly see the "good in both" if you come up with the absurd statements you are so prone to do. They are so absurd at times, that I cannot believe that you've ever actually run Linux, so could not possibly know how good or bad it is. Your mantra is always "not yet ready for the average computer user". You justify this perception based on your belief that one has to be on the command line to do anything with Linux. This is a false statement and had you actually used a modern Linux distro, you'd know that. Another poster here relates how his 14 year old son was able to install Linux without problems and to use it productively and the kid has very little computer experience. Yet, you continue with your FUD. You've repeatedly based your conclusions on whether a LIVE distro would run on YOUR multimedia machine, that you admit has some hardware not found on the usual type of computers people purchase. You refuse to acknowledge that drivers for different hardware are proprietory and Linux developers must reverse engineer this hardware, since they don't have access to the software code, to get the hardware to work on a different OS. Although they are making great strides in this department, to the point that Linux will install without problems on the vaste majority of PCs out there, admittedly there are cases where particular hardware will not work yet. But that is true for Windoze as well and we've all seen it and know that there are system requirements that must be met. The difference in the methologies between Linux and Windows, is that in the former people are working hard to get free solutions for the computer community in general rather than forcing one to pay money for a solution. From my experience, I'd say that 95% of the participants in this newsgroup could install Linux on their PCs without any difficulty whatsoever. They'll then have an OS that works, is not prone to viruses and malware, doesn't require constant effort to keep running and is a much more productive and pleasant computer experience than running Windows. They'll then have access (just a few clicks away) to a vaste storehouse of free quality software. If saying this makes me a "zealot", then I guess I am one. Linux has proven to me to be very much superior to Windows in all respects and I am convinced that anyone using it, wouldn't be plagued with all the problems we see constantly reported in this newsgroup. IMHO, as long as people like you spread the FUD, you cost end-users money! As long as they stick with Windows, they are forced into spending money on commercial applications because the crap bundled with Windows is so lame. Because of everything like the "free" Notepad, to CD/DVD burning software, users who want more in the Windows world have to cough up more cash. This just isn't the case for Linux users and that is somewhat hard for inexperienced Windows computer users to understand. Your FUD helps to perpetuate the myths that serve Micro$soft's commercial interests not the end-users' interests. I really think you need to find a more appropriate domain name for your website. One that doesn't pretend to be anti-Microsoft, while you continue to spread the M$ FUD. If nothing else this will lend some credibility to yourself. -- ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°øø¤º°`°ø,¸¸ ,ø¤º°`°ø Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient. Legal Notice And Disclaimer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html |
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NoStop wrote:
kurttrail wrote: NoStop wrote: If MS's monopoly had anything to do with either its innovation or quality of its products, it would have been gone a long time ago. It's monopoly is due ONLY to its marketing muscle and the way it has held computer distributors at ransom forcing them to package that *******ized system with every PC they sell. So? And the other thing it did well was repackage the innovation of others. And in some cases kill the innovation of others after buying them out. I told you the other day to read the history, but I see that you're unable to even do that ... http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/...t/IhateMS.html I skimmed through it. Had you done more than "skim", I wouldn't have to had to tell you the above. Oy! Like I didn't know that until you told me! You are a fool. LOL! Much more than you. I not the one that is a diehard Zealot. I see good in both. I can't hep it that Linux is not yet ready for the average computer user. Sorry Kurt, but I just don't believe you. A Zealot doesn't believe a rational man? LOL! No Sh*t! You could not possibly see the "good in both" if you come up with the absurd statements you are so prone to do. They are so absurd at times, that I cannot believe that you've ever actually run Linux, so could not possibly know how good or bad it is. You'd be wrong then. Your mantra is always "not yet ready for the average computer user". You justify this perception based on your belief that one has to be on the command line to do anything with Linux. This is a false statement and had you actually used a modern Linux distro, you'd know that. How do you download OS updates? Is it the same way for all distros? Another poster here relates how his 14 year old son was able to install Linux without problems and to use it productively and the kid has very little computer experience. Yet, you continue with your FUD. He was able to install it and use a word processor. I doubt my mother could have done that. She would know how to set of up the BIOS to boot for CD. As a matter of fact, she has never been in the BIOS. You've repeatedly based your conclusions on whether a LIVE distro would run on YOUR multimedia machine, that you admit has some hardware not found on the usual type of computers people purchase. LOL! And other people would have similar problems with hardware I don't have. And even with minimalist hardware detection, they still don't boot. Not a very good sign at all. You refuse to acknowledge that drivers for different hardware are proprietory and Linux developers must reverse engineer this hardware, since they don't have access to the software code, to get the hardware to work on a different OS. When did I refuse to acknowledge that? That is one of the reasons I feel that Linux ain't ready for primetime yet! Not enough hardware drivers have been reversed engineered to make it easy for existing computers to be upgraded to Linux for the AVERAGE COMUPUTER USER. Although they are making great strides in this department, to the point that Linux will install without problems on the vaste majority of PCs out there, admittedly there are cases where particular hardware will not work yet. And many more cases where hardware only works with seriously reduced capability. But that is true for Windoze as well and we've all seen it and know that there are system requirements that must be met. Yep. Wouldn't want to install XP on a PII, not so much because it wouldn't install, but because it be more interesting to watch molasses run on a cold day. The difference in the methologies between Linux and Windows, is that in the former people are working hard to get free solutions for the computer community in general rather than forcing one to pay money for a solution. How does that help any average computer user run Linux? From my experience, I'd say that 95% of the participants in this newsgroup could install Linux on their PCs without any difficulty whatsoever. And I'd say that about 95% of those would have to make some trade off on reduced funtionability. They'll then have an OS that works, is not prone to viruses and malware, doesn't require constant effort to keep running and is a much more productive and pleasant computer experience than running Windows. They'll then have access (just a few clicks away) to a vaste storehouse of free quality software. If saying this makes me a "zealot", then I guess I am one. Linux has proven to me to be very much superior to Windows in all respects and I am convinced that anyone using it, wouldn't be plagued with all the problems we see constantly reported in this newsgroup. I am not plaqued by all of the problems we constantly see in this newsgroup. IMHO, as long as people like you spread the FUD, you cost end-users money! How? I never advocate anyone upgrade unless they are buying a new PC. As long as they stick with Windows, they are forced into spending money on commercial applications because the crap bundled with Windows is so lame. Many already have the tools that they need, and then there are also some good freeware alternatives for Windows too. Some of it is even software from the Open Source community. Because of everything like the "free" Notepad, to CD/DVD burning software, users who want more in the Windows world have to cough up more cash. Lies! OO is a good freeware word processer. And if you are talking about text-based only editors there are plenty of them. And there are freeware alternatives for CD/DVD burning too. This just isn't the case For windows users for Linux users and that is somewhat hard for inexperienced Windows computer users to understand. Your FUD helps to perpetuate the myths that serve Micro$soft's commercial interests not the end-users' interests. LOL! How? I don't advocate upgrading Windows. I really think you need to find a more appropriate domain name for your website. One that doesn't pretend to be anti-Microsoft, while you continue to spread the M$ FUD. If nothing else this will lend some credibility to yourself. LOL! Since you need to distort reality to try to persuade people that Linux is ready for the average user, I'm glad I'm not credible in your eyes. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 10:52:50 GMT, Leythos
wrote: In article , says... The information is _N_O_T_ on the outside of the box. It could be on the outside of the box. It should be on the outside of the box, but isn't. You are wrong, it's on the box, not all of it is there, but the part that tells you there are licensing requirements and additional information about the licensing. That isn't the license. Big difference. Just because you can't read the entire license where you purchase the product doesn't make any difference - the information is available on the web, via mail, through retailers chains, etc.... If you don't read it, it's a personal choice. It does matter. Pretend it doesn't if you like but unfortunately you opinion alone isn't a standard for anything. |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:27:49 GMT, NoStop wrote:
When MS decided to no longer support 95, or 98 or 2000 and eventually XP, to continue to have a secure system you're either going to upgrade to what MS gives you OR you're going to look for an alternative. It's as simple as that. And as long as you continue on the MS upgrade path, you're marching to MS's drum beat because if you're going to use their software, you have no other option. So cut the crap about what an independent individual you are. You have no independence with your computer as long as you're forced to take Silly me. I always though a computer was a tool with a limited useable life & upgradeability (like most other kinds of machines & tools). I see now I am not an individual unless I'm running a 10 year old computer and I am inadequate if not running a 10 year old computer with the latest software. |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:27:49 GMT, NoStop wrote:
When MS decided to no longer support 95, or 98 or 2000 and eventually XP, to continue to have a secure system you're either going to upgrade to what MS gives you OR you're going to look for an alternative. It's as simple as that. And as long as you continue on the MS upgrade path, you're marching to MS's drum beat because if you're going to use their software, you have no other option. So cut the crap about what an independent individual you are. You have no independence with your computer as long as you're forced to take Silly me. I always though a computer was a tool with a limited useable life & upgradeability (like most other kinds of machines & tools). I see now I am not an individual unless I'm running a 10 year old computer and I am inadequate if not running a 10 year old computer with the latest software. |
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Curious George wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 04:27:49 GMT, NoStop wrote: When MS decided to no longer support 95, or 98 or 2000 and eventually XP, to continue to have a secure system you're either going to upgrade to what MS gives you OR you're going to look for an alternative. It's as simple as that. And as long as you continue on the MS upgrade path, you're marching to MS's drum beat because if you're going to use their software, you have no other option. So cut the crap about what an independent individual you are. You have no independence with your computer as long as you're forced to take Silly me. I always though a computer was a tool with a limited useable life & upgradeability (like most other kinds of machines & tools). I see now I am not an individual unless I'm running a 10 year old computer and I am inadequate if not running a 10 year old computer with the latest software. You're obviously missing my point, so I'll restate it. I think we have enough of a throw-away society. As long as a tool, in this case a computer, can do a job, why shouldn't it be, at the very least, passed on to someone who can use it? A Windoze 98 vintage computer is quite good enough for reading email or doing word processing. BUT, if one is stuck in the marketing world of Microsoft, then that corporation makes sure the hardware becomes obsolete before its time. If M$ decides to stop providing security patches for Win98 and the computer doesn't have the hardware to run the "latest and greatest" OS from M$, the computer has been made obsolete, just so M$ can continue raking in its obscene profits. Understand now? -- ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°øø¤º°`°ø,¸¸ ,ø¤º°`°ø Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient. Legal Notice And Disclaimer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html |
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