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  #196  
Old December 8th 19, 11:28 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Apd" wrote

| If you get the "line to long" error, save your unsent reply as a
| ".nws" file, open in notepad and delete all but the last MID in the
| "references" line. Then add the header "X-Unsent: 1" and save. Now you
| can open in OE and treat as any normal message in composition.
|
| I've done it with this message as an example.
|
Ah. Thank you. So the limit is with the length of the
entire header? I didn't know that. Your method should
work fine. It doesn't happen very often.


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  #197  
Old December 8th 19, 11:30 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Ken Springer" wrote

| Isn't the graphics coding done by graphics card makers and not MS?
|
Good question. I don't really know. I would guess that
they do at least some. At one time it was left to Linux
people to write drivers for Linux, but I suppose someone
like ATI probably writes Windows drivers. So I don't
know how to explain the difference in display.


  #198  
Old December 8th 19, 11:35 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 06/12/2019 19.08, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


Frustrating, isn't it?Â* These things are what I call the basics, and you
found in the manuals that used to come with the systems.


As I'm sure you already know, Ken, Apple does still provide LOTS of
helpful information:-

https://www.apple.com/uk/macos/catalina/

https://www.apple.com/uk/macos/catalina/features/


True. And Apple even has a basic manual right on the hard drive. Don't
see that from windows.

Those links are sales pitches, telling you *what* you can do, not *how*
to do it.

It's the how that I am talking about.


there are other links that explain how:
https://support.apple.com/manuals

It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.


it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

phones, tablets and computers will normally automatically connect to
wifi without the user needing to do anything, unless disabled.


Not without the password :-P


not only that, but the only way to get the software is online, so if
someone can figure out how to *get* the various apps, they can figure
out how to also find help, assuming it's even needed, which it probably
isn't.


I know people that don't know how to "download and install" an app in
Android.

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  #199  
Old December 8th 19, 11:38 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/7/19 9:32 PM, Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/7/19 7:43 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| I'll admit, it was a single thing I saw with the iMac that sold me. The
| quality of the display. The image was astounding, far better than
| anything I'd seen with a Windows system.

Yes. The attention to detail is a delight. I'm not
wild about hiring a 12-year-old girl to design cutesy,
Looney Tunes icons, but aside from that it's almost
astonishingly tasteful.


Imo, the quality of the icon design has gone downhill over the last few
years. Not just Apple, but every where. They are no longer visually
intuitive.


Not just icons. GUI designs. Everything is flat and minimalism.


"flat and minimalism" = bo-o-o-o-o-oring


Yep and confusing in terms of usability!
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  #200  
Old December 8th 19, 11:38 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Carlos E.R." wrote

| You can see that my post was sent in utf-8 (not my personal doing), and
| you had no issue reading it and answering :-) although I'm unsure what
| your client used.
|

That's only because the text is ASCII. It's officially
UTF-8, but there are no bytes other than ASCII. I can
see how UTF-8 makes sense for you, though. If you
send UTF-8 in Spanish then everyone can read it. If
you use ANSI then there will probably be corrupt
characters on non-Euro systems. By contrast, my ASCII
English is also compliant UTF-8.

Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.


  #201  
Old December 8th 19, 11:44 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 06/12/2019 20.41, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.

it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

It's also not 2185 where everyone has in implant, and is genetically
modified to know this at birth. Something you are unable to acknowledge.

strawman.

the reality is that being online is *not* an obstacle.


The reality is, not everyone knows how to do this.


nobody said 'everyone'.

the number who do not and have nobody to help them get online is a
tiny, tiny fraction (as in almost zero), nowhere near enough to justify
a company publishing written manuals that everyone else will never look
at, never mind read, and which would also need to be ordered online.


I know people that have to wait for their son to come for a visit twice
a year for that.


you're also ignoring that software distribution is almost entirely
online, so if they can manage to get various apps, they can get help
for it as well, should it even be needed, which is not a given.


this.

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages.


Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.

Let's wait for the support staff (the son on a visit next year).

:-P

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  #202  
Old December 8th 19, 11:51 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2019-12-08, David wrote:
Gulp A *TAPE* player?!!! ;-)


Yes - no touch screen involved, just minimal user interaction with a
small set of dedicated controls. Using muscle memory to operate it
there is no need for eyes off the road.

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  #203  
Old December 8th 19, 11:55 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2019-12-08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I prefer to have my texts in an international modern standard, so that
no matter if viewed in France, Spain, USA or China, they will be viewed
correctly.


Here in the U.S. we understand that English is the only true human
language. Everyone *thinks* in English and translates those thoughts
internally and automatically back and forth into whatever funny
gobbledegook they speak (or write) to others. This why if you shout
at foreigners in English loudly and persistently enough they *will*
eventually understand you.

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  #204  
Old December 9th 19, 12:03 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.


it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

phones, tablets and computers will normally automatically connect to
wifi without the user needing to do anything, unless disabled.


Not without the password :-P


public wifi doesn't usually have a password, so it will auto-connect.

the places that do have passwords normally will help people get
connected. my local library does this, either with a printed guide or
the librarian will assist.

not only that, but the only way to get the software is online, so if
someone can figure out how to *get* the various apps, they can figure
out how to also find help, assuming it's even needed, which it probably
isn't.


I know people that don't know how to "download and install" an app in
Android.


they're in the minority, but the point is that if they don't know how
to download new apps, they won't be needing to read user manuals for
how to use them.
  #205  
Old December 9th 19, 12:03 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.

it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

It's also not 2185 where everyone has in implant, and is genetically
modified to know this at birth. Something you are unable to acknowledge.

strawman.

the reality is that being online is *not* an obstacle.

The reality is, not everyone knows how to do this.


nobody said 'everyone'.

the number who do not and have nobody to help them get online is a
tiny, tiny fraction (as in almost zero), nowhere near enough to justify
a company publishing written manuals that everyone else will never look
at, never mind read, and which would also need to be ordered online.


I know people that have to wait for their son to come for a visit twice
a year for that.


they are a tiny, tiny minority.

you're also ignoring that software distribution is almost entirely
online, so if they can manage to get various apps, they can get help
for it as well, should it even be needed, which is not a given.


this.

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages.


Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.


that's a stretch.
  #206  
Old December 9th 19, 12:10 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 18:33, Beauregard T. Shagnasty (Who's he?)
David in Devon wrote:

Similarly, the MASTER-*stalker* called Beauregard T. Shagnasty has even
set up a spiteful web page because I exposed his whole website to be
carrying malware. Proof he https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg


False positive by a tool you don't understand.


I have every confidence in the objectivity of Sucuri

Anyone can check your www.tekrider.net site for themselves, he-

https://sitecheck.sucuri.net

Six *more* months added to the lifespan of your _special page_.


*I was just checking that you are still stalking me*, -bts

And you are! ;-)

Will you never learn?


It seems that YOU can't recognise that once your cohort, Shadow, had
promulgated the address of your defamatory web page at Archive.org the
persistence of your 'live' link is absolutely and totally irrelevant.

Readers of Usenet will eventually question why you, someone who doesn't
ever use Microsoft Windows, deem it ethical to INSTRUCT newbies in the
mysteries of one of the most vulnerable operating systems on the planet.

Spreading malware, are you?

If not, explain why you have taken steps to refuse access to your
website by ANYONE using the BT server in the UK.

TIA



  #207  
Old December 9th 19, 12:21 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 09/12/2019 00.03, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.

it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

It's also not 2185 where everyone has in implant, and is genetically
modified to know this at birth. Something you are unable to acknowledge.

strawman.

the reality is that being online is *not* an obstacle.

The reality is, not everyone knows how to do this.

nobody said 'everyone'.

the number who do not and have nobody to help them get online is a
tiny, tiny fraction (as in almost zero), nowhere near enough to justify
a company publishing written manuals that everyone else will never look
at, never mind read, and which would also need to be ordered online.


I know people that have to wait for their son to come for a visit twice
a year for that.


they are a tiny, tiny minority.


Maybe 25% of those I know. That's not tiny :-D


you're also ignoring that software distribution is almost entirely
online, so if they can manage to get various apps, they can get help
for it as well, should it even be needed, which is not a given.

this.

if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the
relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages.


Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not
being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't
stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing
the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again.


that's a stretch.


Its happened :-D

Ohhh! Another one. Printer that dries or uses up all the ink and "it
does not work".

I installed a laser. Will not dry in years to come!


Another one. Here, there is some government paperwork that mandatorily
has to be done over Internet. Something about the taxes for renting of
commercial buildings. I read about a province where many owners are
quite old and don't own a computer nor have the foggiest idea of how to
use one. Now they have to hire the services of an intermediary to do it
for them.


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Cheers, Carlos.
  #208  
Old December 9th 19, 12:25 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 09/12/2019 00.03, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


It should be obvious that information found online is useless, when the
user does not know how to go online.

it should be obvious that isn't actually a problem.

it's not 1985 anymore. just about everyone already *is* online, has
been for years and knows how to search for stuff.

phones, tablets and computers will normally automatically connect to
wifi without the user needing to do anything, unless disabled.


Not without the password :-P


public wifi doesn't usually have a password, so it will auto-connect.


You really advise people with no knowledge of computers and security to
use a public WiFi? Ow! :-(

Me, I tell them to use it only at home and disable the search for free
wifis.


the places that do have passwords normally will help people get
connected. my local library does this, either with a printed guide or
the librarian will assist.


Not home.


not only that, but the only way to get the software is online, so if
someone can figure out how to *get* the various apps, they can figure
out how to also find help, assuming it's even needed, which it probably
isn't.


I know people that don't know how to "download and install" an app in
Android.


they're in the minority, but the point is that if they don't know how
to download new apps, they won't be needing to read user manuals for
how to use them.


about 25%




--
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  #209  
Old December 9th 19, 12:29 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 23.38, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| You can see that my post was sent in utf-8 (not my personal doing), and
| you had no issue reading it and answering :-) although I'm unsure what
| your client used.
|

That's only because the text is ASCII. It's officially
UTF-8, but there are no bytes other than ASCII.


Let's change that. — — ········· :-p

I can
see how UTF-8 makes sense for you, though. If you
send UTF-8 in Spanish then everyone can read it. If
you use ANSI then there will probably be corrupt
characters on non-Euro systems. By contrast, my ASCII
English is also compliant UTF-8.

Though I think your Spanish ANSI would
probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the
English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to
use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages.


Not in the ANSI, it is in the IBMPC charset, 437. A bit different.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
  #210  
Old December 9th 19, 12:31 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 23.55, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-12-08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I prefer to have my texts in an international modern standard, so that
no matter if viewed in France, Spain, USA or China, they will be viewed
correctly.


Here in the U.S. we understand that English is the only true human
language. Everyone *thinks* in English and translates those thoughts
internally and automatically back and forth into whatever funny
gobbledegook they speak (or write) to others. This why if you shout
at foreigners in English loudly and persistently enough they *will*
eventually understand you.


It is reversible.
Here we shout at silly foreigners and they understand Spanish :-P

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 




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