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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
In message , Shadow
writes: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:28:13 +0200, "R.Wieser" wrote: [] And pardon me, but your 'puter and backup DVD are *supposed to* have duplicates. Its why you make backups. Why would you want to delete the (duplicate) files on either of them ? Because if they are backed up, the ones on disk are just using up space. I think we are perhaps confusing "backing up" with "archiving". The terms - like all of language - change as time goes on, and no intepretation is _wrong_; however, I think the interpretation of a "backup" that RW (and I) use is the one currently in commoner use: a backup is a safety copy made so that you can restore your everyday copy if it gets damaged. _Your_ use is that when you've completed the exercise, the one saved is the _only_ copy: then, if you actually want to access it, you use the disc you've put it on. If it's a disc you use frequently to access the files, that increases the chance the file (or other files on that disc, or the disc itself) will be damaged - certainly not what RW and I consider "backup". If they're files you _don't_ use, then one could ask why you're keeping them at all, but that could be for legal or countless other reasons. [] I just went though 20GB of photos with Duplicate Cleaner. Back up to a DVD, eliminate duplicates on disk, back up another DVD's worth, etc, until there were none. Result = 20Gb of unique photos backed up. (I think I'd say "archived" - to me "backed up" means "[emergency] copies made". But I've covered that above.) For images, it's also useful to have a Duplicate Image Finder, which finds duplicate images even if they aren't byte-identical files: they might be in different image formats, or rotated, or even just have different metadata. The one I'm thinking of can also find them if they're different sizes (in pixels), and also has a percentage control - depending on _why_ you're looking for them, this can also eliminate a lot. (Obviously if you're into image manipulation and want to keep all your iterations, this is of less use - but if, say, you've downloaded a lot of images from diverse sources over the years, it's good at finding copies.) The one I'm thinking of was I think just called Duplicate Image Finder, but that's not easy to google for (too broad), and you'd probably want a more modern something anyway (that worked under XP, though I think would under 7 too). In other words: You are using that duplicate finder wrong: You should use it on your 'puter *before* making the backup (as part of the pre-backup maintenance) I do. Right. , to see if it has the same file floating around in multiple folders. And you should thread lightly if-and-when you find any (and rethink your storage strategy). After the backup you should *at most* use a simple binary file compare using the exact same filepaths (but for the source & destination basepath difference ofcourse), nothing more. I just use this for movies, photos and stuff I download. I use FreeFileSync for other data. []'s So you're using it to check that a copy has worked? (I do this, in more or less the way you describe!, using the duplicate finder to find and remove the source files. I don't know why I'm doing this though - they're probably files I'll never access!) (I've just noticed how many 'groups this is going to: which Windows _are_ you using? Since I suspect the answer people would give to the subject question might well be different between XP and 10.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "One of my dearest memories is playing the leader of a gang of gay Hell's Angels thundering across the Golden Gate bridge on a motorbike in fog, wearing full Nazi regalia with a young man in a purple dress on the pillion petrified we'd crash into the bay." Christopher Lee (1997). ["It was in _The Serial_."] |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate filefinder on Windows?
On 08/06/2018 05:06 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
Jesus...There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows? Googling, I find so many it's not funny...where you know there's a problem when no two articles even have agreement on the top few. First I tried the canonical duplicate file remover from Microsoft... Microsoft Duplicate File Remover https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/duplicate-file-remover/9nblggh4sqnp But it was too much GUI and too little customization. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9081255duplicatefileremover.jpg Then I searched for better duplicate file removers, and was aghast that there is very little consensus among the "reviews" (many of which, I know, are simply shills). The Best Duplicate File Finder for Windows * dupeGuru https://dupeguru.voltaicideas.net/ * Ccleaner https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner https://lifehacker.com/the-best-duplicate-file-finder-for-windows-1696492476 What Is the Best Duplicate File Finder? https://www.easyduplicatefinder.com/best-duplicate-file-finder.html How to Find and Remove Duplicate Files on Windows https://www.howtogeek.com/200962/how-to-find-and-remove-duplicate-files-on-windows/ 5 Best Free Duplicate File Finder Software for Windows https://www.cisdem.com/resource/best-free-duplicate-file-finder-for-windows.html 5 Best Free Duplicate File Finder and Remover http://perfectgeeks.com/free-duplicate-file-finder-remover/ https://www.top5freeware.com/duplicate-file-finder * Auslogics Duplicate File Finder https://softfamous.com/auslogics-duplicate-file-finder/ * AllDup https://softfamous.com/alldup/ * CloneSpy http://www.filesriver.com/app/117/clonespy * Fast Duplicate File Finder http://www.filesriver.com/app/118/mindgems-fast-duplicate-file-finder * Anti-Twin http://www.filesriver.com/app/119/anti-twin 26 Best Free Duplicate File Finders https://listoffreeware.com/list-of-best-free-duplicate-file-finder/ What do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows? I use the one by Auslogics. I also have used https://www.digitalvolcano.co.uk/duplicatecleaner.html |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
On 7 Aug 2018 13:17:33 GMT, Big Al wrote:
I use the one by Auslogics. I also have used https://www.digitalvolcano.co.uk/duplicatecleaner.html That one showed up in a few of the reviews, but nothing showed up on top consistently, which indicates a problem in general, in selection of freeware. Nonetheless, it's probably safe, at this early time point, to assume these are the top three for most people. 1. Digital Volcano 2. Auslogics 3. CCleaner Thanks! |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes: [] (I think I'd say "archived" - to me "backed up" means "[emergency] copies made". But I've covered that above.) For images, it's also useful to have a Duplicate Image Finder, which finds duplicate images even if they aren't byte-identical files: they might be in different image formats, or rotated, or even just have different metadata. The one I'm thinking of can also find them if they're different sizes (in pixels), and also has a percentage control - depending on _why_ you're looking for them, this can also eliminate a lot. (Obviously if you're into image manipulation and want to keep all your iterations, this is of less use - but if, say, you've downloaded a lot of images from diverse sources over the years, it's good at finding copies.) The one I'm thinking of was I think just called Duplicate Image Finder, but that's not easy to google for (too broad), and you'd probably want a more modern something anyway (that worked under XP, though I think would under 7 too). I found the one I used to use - google "Duplicate Image Finder" or DIF, and "Runningman software", version 1.0.20. In theory it's payware (I think I may have originally bought it), but the homesite is dead and there's a password that works. Seems to work fine under 7. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf when people say they're perfectly happy without children, we don't have to presume they're lying! - Paul Dolan, RT 2015/1/3-9 |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 21:11:33 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote: Shadow, And if that is all your duplicate finder does (generate and compare hashes) han I would suggest you delete it, and find yourself another, better program. You know, one which, after finding files with the same hashes actually checks if they have the same *contents*. Nope, I keep anything that's been altered. And back it up next time. For some reason I cannot seem to correlate your reply with the statement I made. What gives ? Because if they are backed up, the ones on disk are just using up space. In other words: you are not making backups, you're offloading. I just went though 20GB of photos with Duplicate Cleaner. Back up to a DVD, eliminate duplicates on disk, back up another DVD's worth, etc, until there were none. Find yourself a "backup" program which has a "move" option (deleting the origional after the copy has been written & verified). That way you do not need to go thru such a two-step process. With a bit of luck all you than need to do is to replace the DVD with a blank one when the program asks for it. Yes, I did that. And my target drive crashed while I was moving files. Never again. I prefer to double check. But why are you still using those DVDs ? Even a small USB drive can hold at least 25 times that. A bit bigger one can hold a hundred. And USB drives are reusable and can be updated per file. Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. I would suggest you actually make *backups* of those photos of yours (and not just offload them). You won't like it when your "offload" medium suddenly turns into an "offline" one. :-) I always make 2 copies, and DVDs last a lot longer than USB drives. (theoretically over 100 years for DVDs as long as you compare your 2 copies once a year or so). My CD backups are over 30 years old, and all work fine. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:16:52 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Shadow writes: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:28:13 +0200, "R.Wieser" wrote: [] And pardon me, but your 'puter and backup DVD are *supposed to* have duplicates. Its why you make backups. Why would you want to delete the (duplicate) files on either of them ? Because if they are backed up, the ones on disk are just using up space. I think we are perhaps confusing "backing up" with "archiving". The terms - like all of language - change as time goes on, and no intepretation is _wrong_; however, I think the interpretation of a "backup" that RW (and I) use is the one currently in commoner use: a backup is a safety copy made so that you can restore your everyday copy if it gets damaged. _Your_ use is that when you've completed the exercise, the one saved is the _only_ copy: then, if you actually want to access it, you use the disc you've put it on. 2 copies. It only takes a few more minutes and DVDs are dirt cheap. If it's a disc you use frequently to access the files, that increases the chance the file (or other files on that disc, or the disc itself) will be damaged - certainly not what RW and I consider "backup". If they're files you _don't_ use, then one could ask why you're keeping them at all, but that could be for legal or countless other reasons. [] I just went though 20GB of photos with Duplicate Cleaner. Back up to a DVD, eliminate duplicates on disk, back up another DVD's worth, etc, until there were none. Result = 20Gb of unique photos backed up. (I think I'd say "archived" - to me "backed up" means "[emergency] copies made". But I've covered that above.) For images, it's also useful to have a Duplicate Image Finder, which finds duplicate images even if they aren't byte-identical files: they might be in different image formats, or rotated, or even just have different metadata. The one I'm thinking of can also find them if they're different sizes (in pixels), and also has a percentage control - depending on _why_ you're looking for them, this can also eliminate a lot. (Obviously if you're into image manipulation and want to keep all your iterations, this is of less use - but if, say, you've downloaded a lot of images from diverse sources over the years, it's good at finding copies.) The one I'm thinking of was I think just called Duplicate Image Finder, but that's not easy to google for (too broad), and you'd probably want a more modern something anyway (that worked under XP, though I think would under 7 too). In other words: You are using that duplicate finder wrong: You should use it on your 'puter *before* making the backup (as part of the pre-backup maintenance) I do. Right. , to see if it has the same file floating around in multiple folders. And you should thread lightly if-and-when you find any (and rethink your storage strategy). After the backup you should *at most* use a simple binary file compare using the exact same filepaths (but for the source & destination basepath difference ofcourse), nothing more. I just use this for movies, photos and stuff I download. I use FreeFileSync for other data. []'s So you're using it to check that a copy has worked? Yes, of course. (I do this, in more or less the way you describe!, using the duplicate finder to find and remove the source files. I don't know why I'm doing this though - they're probably files I'll never access!) Well, in floppy days the source was corrupted so often we just got into a habit of doing it. (I've just noticed how many 'groups this is going to: which Windows _are_ you using? Since I suspect the answer people would give to the subject question might well be different between XP and 10.) Any OS needs backups and archiving. Just make sure you never trust "The Cloud" and your data will be safe. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
In article , Shadow
wrote: My CD backups are over 30 years old, and all work fine. 30 years ago is 1988. what cd burner were you using in the mid-80s, before computers had cd-rom drives, let alone cd burners? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#History CD-R recording systems available in 1990 were similar to the washing machine-sized Meridian CD Publisher, based on the two-piece rack mount Yamaha PDS audio recorder costing $35,000, not including the required external ECC circuitry for data encoding, SCSI hard drive subsystem, and MS-DOS control computer. By 1992, the cost of typical recorders was down to $10,000*12,000, and in September 1995, Hewlett-Packard introduced its model 4020i manufactured by Philips, which, at $995, was the first recorder to cost less than $1000. in any event, buy a lottery ticket. |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
In article , Shadow
wrote: Any OS needs backups and archiving. Just make sure you never trust "The Cloud" and your data will be safe. actually, it's much safer in the cloud than at home, however, bandwidth speeds make it very time consuming for most people, often impractical for everything. multiple copies in the cloud *and* at home *and* an offsite location is ideal. each covers a different type of disaster. |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 19:45:00 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Shadow wrote: My CD backups are over 30 years old, and all work fine. 30 years ago is 1988. Oh sht. My bad. My earliest backups are 1996. Make that 22 years. It was a single speed (on my machine) HP and it cost a fortune( a thousand dollars on the black market), and lasted exactly 1 year. Still, it was more than enough for my dialup speeds. I think a CD was actually bigger than my HD back then ..... what cd burner were you using in the mid-80s, before computers had cd-rom drives, let alone cd burners? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#History CD-R recording systems available in 1990 were similar to the washing machine-sized Meridian CD Publisher, based on the two-piece rack mount Yamaha PDS audio recorder costing $35,000, not including the required external ECC circuitry for data encoding, SCSI hard drive subsystem, and MS-DOS control computer. By 1992, the cost of typical recorders was down to $10,000*12,000, and in September 1995, Hewlett-Packard introduced its model 4020i manufactured by Philips, which, at $995, was the first recorder to cost less than $1000. in any event, buy a lottery ticket. Not my case. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freeware duplicate file finder on Windows?
On 07 Aug 2018, Arlen Holder wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: You need to ignore that troll "nospam" as he has never posted with any helpful intent, and where there are entire threads about his mental status. There are also posts about YOUR mental status. Should we ignore you, too? |
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On 7 Aug 2018 18:21:06 GMT, Nil wrote:
Should we ignore you, too? I pray to God that you do, Nil. You've never once posted anything of value to anyone. Ever. Go away. Please. |
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There are so many - what do you use for a freewareduplicate file finder on Windows?
Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:16:52 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Shadow writes: On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:28:13 +0200, "R.Wieser" wrote: [] And pardon me, but your 'puter and backup DVD are *supposed to* have duplicates. Its why you make backups. Why would you want to delete the (duplicate) files on either of them ? Because if they are backed up, the ones on disk are just using up space. I think we are perhaps confusing "backing up" with "archiving". The terms - like all of language - change as time goes on, and no intepretation is _wrong_; however, I think the interpretation of a "backup" that RW (and I) use is the one currently in commoner use: a backup is a safety copy made so that you can restore your everyday copy if it gets damaged. _Your_ use is that when you've completed the exercise, the one saved is the _only_ copy: then, if you actually want to access it, you use the disc you've put it on. 2 copies. It only takes a few more minutes and DVDs are dirt cheap. And unreliable. Writable DVDs are not suitable for archiving. Why not just use an external hard drive? Cheaper, simpler and more reliable. |
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R.Wieser wrote:
Chris, They can't be trusted. And neither can you trust your computer, OS or the program your find those duplicates with. Your point ? Er, ok. With that attitude just shut down the computer and throw it out the window. |
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Shadow,
Yes, I did that. And my target drive crashed while I was moving files. Never again. I prefer to double check. That is why you need a *good* offloader/backup program. One which only deletes the origional files after the *full* backup/offload has been completed. But why are you still using those DVDs ? .... DVDs last a lot longer than USB drives. Only if you do not use the ones for home usage. Some of them become unreadable in as short as 5 years or so. But yes, if all you want is storage (in a dry, dark place I presume) than DVDs are not too bad of a choice. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Chris,
2 copies. It only takes a few more minutes and DVDs are dirt cheap. And unreliable. Writable DVDs are not suitable for archiving. No, You need the *unwritable* ones. Those are much better suited for Shadows task. :-) If handled with some care a good CD/DVD can easily outlast a drive. Magnetism fades away you know. And that becomes a problem when you do not really use the drive (meaning: do not give it a chance to refresh sectors). Why not just use an external hard drive? Cheaper, simpler and more reliable. Yeah, I already asked him that (without the "more reliable" and "cheaper" stacked to it though - both of them are dependant on a few factors and (thus) rather questionable). 12 hours back on the minute Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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