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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote: | In other words, the answer (to - amongst others - Wolf K question) is | 'no'. | | The answer to his question is "yes,. of course, this is how you do it" | and you and your mate scream like widdle babies "I DON'T WANT TO DO IT | THAT WAY!" and claim that means it's impossible. | | -- | In other news, Gandalf died. -- Secret Diary of Boromir Now you've done it, Frank. But this does answer the age-old question: Who's more unreasonable than an AppleSeed? That would be an AppleSeed who's also a Tolkien fetishist. Yeah, I wondered how long it would take for the other Apple zealots/ ad hominem. loons to come to nospam's 'rescue'. Normally they don't take that long. nobody is coming to anyone's rescue. what we have are a bunch of people who know little to nothing about apple products trying to tell those who use apple products daily how they work and what can and cannot be done. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Wolf K
wrote: There are MANY ways to get files to/from and iOS devices and anyone who claims it's impossible is a troll liar ****. I never claimed it was impossible. In , Wolf K wrote: I can connect miscellaneous devices to my Windows computers. Then I can see the storage on those devices, can read whatever files are in there, and write to those devices, too (though it's kinda pointless to write files to a camera). Can I do that with an iPad? Apparently not. you are (wrongly) assuming it cannot be done. [...] I said "apparently"... backpedaling noted. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 16 Aug 2018 12:50:42 GMT, nospam wrote:
it's simply a list of some of the available options, and a very incomplete list at that. And yet, iOS still can't do the simplest of things, which was shown in the opening post of this thread ... and which handles large files and large numbers of them far better than the kludges you propose - simply because iOS, yet again, can't even do the simplest of things. Like let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? Why not? |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 2018-08-16 21:13:33 +0000, Wolf K said:
On 2018-08-16 15:50, nospam wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: i'll spell it out for you: files can be transferred *directly* *between* *devices*, peer to peer, without using what you're calling 'the web', using any of a number of protocols, with or without cables. Yeah, I know that. apparently not. So tell us exactly how to use a cabled connection between an iOS or OS/x device and a Windows or Android device. i did. Oh, and without having to use an "app" on either device. Just the file manager (as implied in the OP's subject and original post). the file manager *is* an app. I love the way you use definitions to prove your point. oh, the irony. A file manager is not an app. It's a utility. more word games. Nope. "App" is Apple-speak. In the DOS/Windows world, there was from the beginning a distinction between utilities and programs. True, some software combines both functions, but that's another issue. Nope. A "utility" is just a sub-category (one of many) of "computer program", not a category by itself windows explorer is an app, one which happens to be included with the os. "App" is Apple speak. IMO MS's adoption of the word was a serious mistake. "App" has nothing to do with Apple as such - Apple didn't invent the abbreviation, but has made it far, far more popular than it used to be. The term "app" originated with the phrase "killer app" way back in the 1980s (if not even earlier). https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/ "App" is simply a shortened form of "application" (or more precisely "software application"), which in turn is just another way of saying "computer program", which has various sub-types such as "utility", "game", "office" / "business" / "productivity", "operating system", "development", "emulator", etc. So yes, even though I hate having to agree with brainless nospam, a "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system nativelyon Windows?
Your Name wrote:
So yes, even though I hate having to agree with brainless nospam, a "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". It doesn't have to be. The File Manager on Windows is a part of the DE. In Windows 10 in fact, the entire desktop DE is made of HTML/JS and the file manager is just part of that. To give an example, if you feed MSEdge ("an app") a particular task, it ends up causing exhaustion of DE resources to the point, that double-clicking an icon on the desktop causes no reaction for 20 seconds. The application will not launch. One core on the CPU will be railed for those 20 seconds, and the task running (a service) will prevent other desktop things from happening. There's a lot less isolation in Microsoft softwares, than in things coming from third parties. And even then, it would depend on whether they're traditional Win32 or they're "Metro" as to what pile of spaghetti they're riding on top of. To give another example you might have seen exhibited on a machine at one point, when explorer.exe (i.e. the WinXP file manager but also the DE) takes a crap, all the decorations on the desktop disappear, *including* every file manager folder view you were looking at. As soon as Dr.Watson app crash reporter is finished submitting a report to home base, a new copy of explorer.exe is forked and the decorations come back. However, all your context, all your old folder views, you'll have to restore those manually one at a time. The file manager context is lost on the restart of the entire desktop decoration. You only learn some of this stuff, by watching things blow up, and then you can see a model emerge as to how it's wired. I was kinda shocked, when viewing a 36,300 page PDF in MSEdge, knackered the entire desktop and prevented program launch clicks from registering... until a garbage collector task of some sort was finished doing its thing. Three cheers for single threaded designs... In the latest Win10, Microsoft has patched this, so the garbage collector doesn't get into a loop, but you may still spot a 20 second outage in the desktop. Now, if a third party writes a File Manager (people have done this in the past), there is better isolation between that tipping over, and the DE staying upright. For the Microsoft file manager, it's part of the spaghetti. The only good thing we could say about WinXP, is the Task Manager was well enough designed, it was relatively independent of DE failures. You could (most of the time) count on it staying upright - almost like the resources it used were statically allocated at startup. When you compare that to Windows 10, the Task Manager there is part of the spaghetti, and you can quite easily lose control of the OS, because Task Manager won't respond in less than an hour or two. It becomes molasses slow, mouse cursors overshoot, attempts to tab to a field to kill something, take ten minutes, and you don't know how many key presses registered. Now *that's* not a Task Manager. That's a horror show. Paul |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Wolf K
wrote: Oh, and without having to use an "app" on either device. Just the file manager (as implied in the OP's subject and original post). the file manager *is* an app. I love the way you use definitions to prove your point. oh, the irony. A file manager is not an app. It's a utility. more word games. Nope. "App" is Apple-speak. nope. app is short for application, a term which goes back many decades. computers were not common back then, so few people heard it used. these days, it's common usage, on multiple platforms. there are also web apps, java applets and other variants, none of which are apple-specific. according to this, the first known use of app is 1981: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/app while this puts it at 1985: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/app wikipedia says the word applet was first used in 1990, in pc magazine. perhaps you are unaware, but pc magazine is *not* a magazine that writes about apple products. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applet#History The word applet was first used in 1990 in PC Magazine. However, the concept of an applet, or more broadly a small interpreted program downloaded and executed by the user, dates at least to RFC 5 (1969) by Jeff Rulifson, which described the Decode-Encode Language (DEL), which was designed to allow remote use of the oN-Line System (NLS) over ARPANET, by downloading small programs to enhance the interaction. This has been specifically credited as a forerunner of Java's downloadable programs in RFC 2555. Applet is an event driven program . this clearly doesn't look anything like any apple product. note 'apps' in the top left corner: http://www.osnews.com/img/24882/apps.PNG once again, you're wrong. very wrong. In the DOS/Windows world, there was from the beginning a distinction between utilities and programs. utilities are a subset of programs, also known as apps. i've heard people call windows apps 'executables' because of the .exe extension, or even pronouncing .exe as a word, i.e., 'exee'. programs are what's handed out at the theater, or what people watch on tv. utilities are water, electricity, phone, etc. and regulated by the public utility commission. word games are boring. if that's all you have, then you have nothing. True, some software combines both functions, but that's another issue. no, it's not another issue. windows explorer is an app, one which happens to be included with the os. "App" is Apple speak. IMO MS's adoption of the word was a serious mistake. again, app is *not* apple-speak and the adoption was the world, not any specific company. a decade ago, tweeting was something birds did. today, it's what humans do, sometimes to their regret. languages evolve. deal with it. using what's included may be convenient, but it is generally not the best choice for much beyond the simplest of tasks. Technically, it's a more or less elaborate front end for what used to be done with the CLI. the Windows CLI is no longer as useful as it used to be, unfortunately. actually, it much more than that. [...] Hence my use of "more or less". Explorer is not the only file manager for Windows. It dominates only because its budnled with Windows. more or less implies a rough equivalence between the two. that is false. wrong once again. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 2018-08-16 22:11:47 +0000, Paul said:
Your Name wrote: So yes, even though I hate having to agree with brainless nospam, a "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". It doesn't have to be. The File Manager on Windows is a part of the DE. In Windows 10 in fact, the entire desktop DE is made of HTML/JS and the file manager is just part of that. Which means it's an HTML / Java Script program ... so no difference at all, and *is* just another "app". To give an example, if you feed MSEdge ("an app") a particular task, it ends up causing exhaustion of DE resources to the point, that double-clicking an icon on the desktop causes no reaction for 20 seconds. The application will not launch. One core on the CPU will be railed for those 20 seconds, and the task running (a service) will prevent other desktop things from happening. snip The fact that it's a crappy app doesn't stop it being an app. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 2018-08-17 01:20:12 +0000, Wolf K said:
On 2018-08-16 17:47, Your Name wrote: On 2018-08-16 21:13:33 +0000, Wolf K said: On 2018-08-16 15:50, nospam wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: i'll spell it out for you: files can be transferred *directly* *between* *devices*, peer to peer, without using what you're calling 'the web', using any of a number of protocols, with or without cables. Yeah, I know that. apparently not. So tell us exactly how to use a cabled connection between an iOS or OS/x device and a Windows or Android device. i did. Oh, and without having to use an "app" on either device. Just the file manager (as implied in the OP's subject and original post). the file manager *is* an app. I love the way you use definitions to prove your point. oh, the irony. A file manager is not an app. It's a utility. more word games. Nope. "App" is Apple-speak. In the DOS/Windows world, there was from the beginning a distinction between utilities and programs. True, some software combines both functions, but that's another issue. Nope. A "utility" is just a sub-category (one of many) of "computer program", not a category by itself So's "app", which as I recall was an abbreviation for "application program", which is the sub-category that contrast with "utility", and includes sub-sub-categoroies like "game", Image processor", etc.. The Apple appropriated the word, and MS borrowed it back. BTW, if you want to discuss the meanings of words, first find out lexicographers do it. The definers of a technical term don't own the word. It may irk that a technical term is used incorrectly, ie, non-technically, but that's how English speakers deal with new words. Good God! Here we go again. :-\ An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS* a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing. windows explorer is an app, one which happens to be included with the os. "App" is Apple speak. IMO MS's adoption of the word was a serious mistake. "App" has nothing to do with Apple as such - Apple didn't invent the abbreviation, but has made it far, far more popular than it used to be. They changed its meaning. If nospam's usage is accurate, which I think it is, they enlarged its scope, which in effect erased the difference between programs used to control the computer, and programs used to manipulate data. The term "app" originated with the phrase "killer app" way back in the 1980s (if not even earlier). https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/ "Killer app" was as far as I can recall later than "app", which was (see above). "App" is simply a shortened form of "application" (or more precisely "software application"), As best I recall, I've not seen this. I did read about a dozen or so computer mags and journals regularly. The copies I carefully stored for many years have been turned into egg-cartons. IMO, "software application", if it was in fact coined, would make sense only in contrast to "software utility", which I suspect was =not used, but who knows? We don't have access to all the memos and discussion papers etc from the early days of computing, the time when new terminology was developed, and for a time was, er, extremely fluid. A search on "software application" turns up hits for "application software", BTW. I didn't scroll very far don the list, though, and didn't try a quoted search. A "software utility" is still just a "software application" and hence it is still just an "app". :-\ which in turn is just another way of saying "computer program", which has various sub-types such as "utility", "game", "office" / "business" / "productivity", "operating system", "development", "emulator", etc. So yes, even though I hate having to agree with brainless nospam, a "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". Usages in the Apple and DOS/Windows universes are different, that's all. That's why Explorer (a Windows program) isn't an app. Explorer *IS* an "app" ... it's full name is "Explorer.exe", that makes it an "app". :-\ Every piece of software you run on a computer is an "app" and has been since computers were invented - they're *ALL* simply "software applications" / "software programs". You trying to idiotically (and incorrectly) nitpick terminology doesn't change that FACT. *END* *OF* *STORY* You continue to believe whatever idiotic crap you want. I don't have the time nor inclination to try to teach morons actual reality and facts. |
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On 15 Aug 2018 23:55:09 GMT, NY wrote:
What further information and tests do I need to perform to help you diagnose why what you say should work doesn't in my case? To NY ... let's see if nospam can help you ... but I have never seen him tell the truth to anyone ... so be careful ... that's all I'll say ... since he (and Jolly Roger) incessantly fabricate functionality that just does not exist. Don't believe me. Just read *this* recent thread for an example from last week, where the poor OP (Wade Garrett, who is no friend of mine since he's an average iOS user who is rather dumb) tried valienty to follow the purely imaginary functionality repeatedly screamed out by both nospam and Jolly Roger, and, as always, in the end, he reported he had to "just give up". Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw I will state that I do what you want to do all the time. But I would *never* (ever!) put the iTunes abomination on my desktop! So your setup is different as mine is native Windows 10 (latest version). Over USB I get read-only access to the photos/videos only via Windows. (On Linux, I get far more and I get read/write - but that's an aside.) Even, so, mark my words ... if nospam helps you ... it will be a miracle. I hope he does help you - I really do. But it would be a miracle if anything he says turns out to be correct. So simply be forewarned that nospam just makes things up all the time. (He has zero credibility - and obviously - he doesn't care.) Good luck. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Wolf K
wrote: A file manager is not an app. It's a utility. more word games. Nope. "App" is Apple-speak. In the DOS/Windows world, there was from the beginning a distinction between utilities and programs. True, some software combines both functions, but that's another issue. Nope. A "utility" is just a sub-category (one of many) of "computer program", not a category by itself So's "app", which as I recall was an abbreviation for "application program", 'application program' is redundant. app is short for application. program is an alternate term, sometimes shortened to 'proggie', but fortunately, that did not catch on. ugh. which is the sub-category that contrast with "utility", and includes sub-sub-categoroies like "game", Image processor", etc.. nope. utilities, games, graphics, backup, email, educational, etc. are sub-categories of applications, or apps. some of those could be further divided, such as word games, card games, board games, shoot 'em up games, etc. The Apple appropriated the word, and MS borrowed it back. nope. apple didn't appropriate anything and microsoft didn't borrow it back. it dates back to before apple or microsoft even existed. "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". Usages in the Apple and DOS/Windows universes are different, that's all. no they aren't, and they're not separate universes either. many people use both. That's why Explorer (a Windows program) isn't an app. yes it is. You can call it an "app" if you like, but you risk misunderstanding. few, if any, will misunderstand anything. Whenever I see "app" or "application" outside of the Apple context, one more time: 'app' is not apple-specific and is used outside of what you call 'the apple context'. I expect some productivity program, unless it refers to something from the App Store or Google Play, in which case all bets are off. that's your problem. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Wolf K
wrote: An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS* a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing. An "app" is what the speaker/writer thinks its is, and what the hearer/reader thinks it is. With luck, and well-established usage, those two meanings are the same. no luck needed. 'app' is a well established term that's been around for many decades, and not just with apple either. |
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On 16 Aug 2018 12:50:49 GMT, nospam wrote:
usb is old school. Hehhehheh ... USB is old school... hehheh... The Apple Apologists will dispute anything & everything that they don't have as being 'old school'. Meanwhile, the entire iOS interface is locked into the primitive non-customizable launcher that was designed more than a decade ago, and which hasn't improved since. HINT: Try to simply organize your iOS screen in any of the myriad ways you can organize an Android screen - and you'll see how "old school" (actually, how primitive) iOS really is. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 2018-08-17 01:50:04 +0000, Wolf K said:
On 2018-08-16 21:42, Your Name wrote: [...] An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS* a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing. [..] An "app" is what the speaker/writer thinks its is, and what the hearer/reader thinks it is. With luck, and well-established usage, those two meanings are the same. But don't count on it. Another braindead moron joins the kilfile. :-\ |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Your Name wrote:
On 2018-08-16 21:13:33 +0000, Wolf K said: .... "App" is Apple speak. IMO MS's adoption of the word was a serious mistake. "App" has nothing to do with Apple as such - Apple didn't invent the abbreviation, but has made it far, far more popular than it used to be. The term "app" originated with the phrase "killer app" way back in the 1980s (if not even earlier). https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/ "App" is simply a shortened form of "application" (or more precisely "software application"), which in turn is just another way of saying "computer program", which has various sub-types such as "utility", "game", "office" / "business" / "productivity", "operating system", "development", "emulator", etc. So yes, even though I hate having to agree with brainless nospam, a "file manager" (including Finder on the Mac) *is* actually just another type of "app". Ditto. I remember appz used back then too for l33t d00dz. -- Quote of the Week: "Where there is sugar, there are bound to be ants." --Malay Proverb Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / http://antfarm.ma.cx / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
"Your Name" wrote
| | An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS* | a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing. | You're not wrong. A "proggie" is also a computer program, as detestable as that word is. But in general usage an "app" is understood to mean a small applet program that runs on a phone or tablet. As opposed to what's normally called desktop software. (Which nearly everyone calls either a program or an application.) The practical difference is big enough to justify distinguishing them. They're written differently. They run differently. They run on different platforms. And they generally do different things. Computer phones vs desktop and laptop computers generally provide different kinds of functions -- consumption vs production. Calling Uber vs writing letters. Apps are mostly commercial service programs. Desktop software is generally for doing some kind of work. Of course, you could have an MS Word app on your phone, in theory, but it wouldn't be a very practical idea. Nor would it make much sense to have a flashlight program or a Dunkin Donuts Valued Customer Discount program on your desktop. How would you plug in your desktop and monitor so that the DD clerk could scan your Special Dunkin Donuts Citizen ID? If you don't like "app" = phone software then you can blame Steve Jobs and Apple. They're the ones who popularized the cutesy term with, "There's an app for that". I don't remember having ever heard "app" before that marketing campaign. |
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