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On 08/05/2018 09:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
[snip] I have a pickup. No rear windows. Mine does have a rear window. It was useful when the A/C quit. As to the side windows, I didn't like being hit in the ear that much (wind at 70MPH). Opening the rear window ventilated the vehicle fine. No trunk. It is certainly easier to have electric windows. I just don't think they're worth the expense. And that's before you end up having to repair them. Further, it's actually rare that I want to open the passenger window. I have no need for electric windows, except for the very rare occurrence of wanting to open the passenger-side window while driving. [snip] Yes, if I need to get into the car I could borrow the key. I'm just talking about basic convenience. I'm out on a hot day. I'm not driving. The driver remotely unlocks the doors. But then I have to wait for them to get in and start the car before I try to open the window. Not a terribly big deal, but an inconvenience that I don't see any need for. The last time I was in a car with power windows, you don't have to start the car (of even turn the key to 'accessory') to operate the windows. I'm guessing you're one of those people who has dual-zone seat heaters. And maybe 3-speed hemmorhoid scratchers built into the genuine leather seats? BTW, I have wanted heated seats, but I just used a heating pad. That's a lot easier to deal with if it fails. Also I don't need it very often (IIRC, it's been over 9 years since I used it). -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten oneself and others." [Voltaire] |
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"Paul" wrote
| "Yes, You Can Still Buy a New Car With Manual Windows" | | By Mike Hanley October 29, 2015 | | https://www.cars.com/articles/yes-yo...1420682584259/ | | But three years is a long time, and who knows | what the lineup shows this year. Here's an article from last year: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...r-technophobes My Nissan Frontier is first on the list. But it's mostly sub-compact cars. A similar list from 2 years ago: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/st...locks-and-more But that one doesn't seem to be accurate. They say only some vans have fixed sterring columns. My pickup has a fixed stereering column and the Ford F-150 I tried also did. So I don't know where Car and Driver are getting their stats. But to the extent that they might be accurate, the pattern seems to match the other article: For minimal standard options the possible vehicles are pickups, jeeps and small sedans. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote
| I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It | would be nice to live in a place like that again. | There's actually been a pattern of breakins in suburban Boston lately: People go into unlocked cars and steal whatever may be useful. I was amazed at how many people have no car alarm, or at least don't use it, and don't lock their car overnight. I lock it just to go into the bank. I don't want anyone stealing my crank window hardware. |
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Electrical window controls. Bluetooth query
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:00:35 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: VanguardLH on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 21:29:09 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: "Mayayana" on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:18:16 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition or windows. Both are very expensive and superfluous. Power windows might be nice when I get too old to reach across to put down the passenger-side window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with the car turned off. That can be maddening at the beach while you wait for the driver to get in and start the car. Or you have to get in to turn the key, in order to close the passenger side window before it rains. I doubt 1-2 seconds to turn the ignition to On will matter regarding how much water has rained into your car. Yes,it is only "a couple seconds" more. It is an annoyance. And yes, it probably takes less time to put the key in than to manually crank up each window. But I'd like to be able to just open the door and close the windows ("command switches on the driver's side"). Not "open the door, scramble round to get the key in, close the windows, and pull the key out." When I was a kid, my dad had a pair of Lincoln Continentals that allowed you to open/close the power windows without a key. On hot days, one of us kids would get sent out to 'crack' the windows so the interior wouldn't get so hot, then we'd have to go back and close the windows in the evening. The keys were on top of the refrigerator, but they weren't needed. My mom's cars, on the other hand, all either needed a key to operate the power windows or they had hand cranks. We'd grab the keys for the Cadillac and the Mercury, while the three Chevy's had the lowly hand cranks. My current vehicles both have power windows, but neither has the capability to operate the windows without a key being present. Of course, you don't actually insert a key anymore. These days, just having the key nearby is good enough. I keep it in my pocket. First world problem and all that. True that. -- Char Jackson |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote
| As to the side windows, I didn't like being hit in the ear that much | (wind at 70MPH). | I used to find that with my earlier trucks. My new truck has a semi-xtra-cab with semi-usable seats in back. (I took one out for storage and kept on for the rare times there are two passengers.) I find the extra space in back makes all the difference. The air flows back there instead of pounding on my left ear. | The last time I was in a car with power windows, you don't have to start | the car (of even turn the key to 'accessory') to operate the windows. | I've never seen that. I don't think it's common. Though I don't know why. Maybe to protect the battery? | BTW, I have wanted heated seats, but I just used a heating pad. That's a | lot easier to deal with if it fails. Also I don't need it very often | (IIRC, it's been over 9 years since I used it). | I could see putting down a non-conductive pad. I don't see the need for heat. My latest truck has cloth seats rather than vinyl and I find that good enough in cold weather. After all, it's only cold for the first 5 minutes. But I do have trouble with the steering wheel as I get older. I like to wear gloves when it's really cold. |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:36:42 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/05/2018 01:18 PM, Mayayana wrote: [snip] Sounds great. But what happens when another pointless sensor or chip goes, and you can't turn on the heat? In a traditional car it's really just turning on a fan. Climate control is Rube Goldberg-style idiocy -- a vastly more complex contraption, and for what? So that you don't have to decide whether you're hot or cold. I drive an older vehicle that doesn't have these automatic climate controls. I don't find it to be a problem to make the adjustments. Back in the day, I spent a summer in a mobile home that had no automatic climate control and I survived just fine. These days my house has an automatic thermostat that turns on the AC or the heat, as needed, so I don't have to. Likewise, my vehicles have dual zone climate controls so that the driver and the passenger can tailor things as they like. They also happen to have heated and cooled seats. None of it is required, but it sure is nice. I had a friend who almost lost a dog because of power windows. The dog was sticking his head out the window, like dogs often do and must have hit the UP button with a paw. She heard the choking and had to pull over quickly. Not just dogs; kids have died after getting their head caught in the power window. That's why power window switches are no longer designed in such a way as to allow that to happen. -- Char Jackson |
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"Char Jackson" wrote | Back in the day, I spent a summer in a mobile home that had no automatic | climate control and I survived just fine. These days my house has an | automatic thermostat that turns on the AC or the heat, as needed, so I | don't have to. | That's how you know you've gone from middle aged to elderly. For the old it's a lifesaver. But there are costs. When I have my windows open on a 70F day I find it sad to hear the neighbors' AC starting up. There's wonderful fresh air outside, probably cooler than the air in their house. I can smell the phlox and the roses. Or maybe the honeysuckle. Or the lilacs. I can hear the birds. But people quickly get used to climate control and then never open the windows, living cut off from the outdoors. My neighbors on one side are college students. But their windows are never open! Today it's about 95F here. I'm staying indoors with a small fan blowing on me. I've left the windows open but turned off the exhaust fans until evening. I wouldn't want to miss the few weeks of humid, warm weather that we get. It's sexy and gentle to the body. No tensing up to shiver. Later I'll have some watermelon and take another shower. Summertime. When I was a child we used to have an old lady who rented from us. I'd visit her room on a hot day. She had Lavender Refresher from S. S. Pierce. I think it was basically alcohol with a bit of lavender oil, in a spray bottle. We'd take turns spraying our necks, then fanning them with a hand fan. She had a beautiful collection of hand fans, some made of ivory. It was a very richly sensory experience that's still clear in my mind. Similarly, having a hot drink after hours outside freezing is a unique, rich experience. Climate control removes all of that richness. Also, if you get used to climate control it's very hard to adapt to the sensations of changeable temperatures, especially as you get older. So you end up having to stay in climate control all the time. |
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"Wolf K" wrote
| Open windows at highway speed creates drag that will cost you far more | in fuel than the A/C does. | I typically do both. If it's hot enough for AC I'll use it, but only to take the edge off of the heat. So I leave the window open and have a cool breeze blowing on me. Is that costing me a few cents? I'm not worried. |
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"Wolf K" wrote
| I typically do both. If it's hot enough for AC | I'll use it, but only to take the edge off of the | heat. So I leave the window open and have a | cool breeze blowing on me. Is that costing me | a few cents? I'm not worried. | | | | More than a few cents. 2-4 mpg, actually. I don't believe that. I'm supposedly getting 19/23 mpg. That means I would have to be losing 10-20% of my gas simply by opening the window. That's absurd. They used to also claim that 55 MPH saved gas. I don't believe that either. And if I were really worried I'd be doing a lot of other things, like making an air deflector for my front grille, like trucks often have on top of the cab. I've got several square feet of flat radiator facing the oncoming wind. |
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"pjp" wrote
| or make the problem car also a parts car as I own three Grand Am's and | almost all the parts fit any one of them. | 3 Grand Ams?! They still make those? Or do they have cranks? A lot of investment in automotive swank for a guy who hates cars. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote | I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It | would be nice to live in a place like that again. | There's actually been a pattern of breakins in suburban Boston lately: People go into unlocked cars and steal whatever may be useful. I was amazed at how many people have no car alarm, or at least don't use it, and don't lock their car overnight. I lock it just to go into the bank. I don't want anyone stealing my crank window hardware. Or your old radio that has those pushbuttons: the mechanical ones that moved the dial needle to a station (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/y9fochuw). A long time ago, some boob tried to pry open my moonroof (mechanical popup on the rear, hinged on the front, no electric motor. He didn't get in that way but he damaged the metal body all around the moonroof. Then he smashed in the driver's window. What did he steal? Yep, the mechanical pushbutton AM/FM radio. No Bluetooth (wasn't around back then), no electrical contact switches for buttons, no digital tuning, no disc player, or USB port (also not available back then), and no high-power amp. Just a super cheap (probably $29 back then) AM/FM mechanical pushbutton radio. He damaged the dash while wrangling out the radio and thought he had to yank out the glove compartment door to get behind the radio. The whole dash got replaced (was a LOT easier back then to remove the dash). This happened many decades ago. Other than at flea markets or swap meets, I'm not sure you could even buy a radio like that nowadays. I'm sure there are some places for car buffs that want to stock their restored oldies with original-like gear. The cops wanted my insurance report for the total cost of the damage. The radio was miniscule for its value. I asked them why they cared. The guy had gone around the neighborhood breaking into other cars, too, and they wanted to amass a total damage value to move his crime into some higher category with more intense consequences. I told the cop that if he wanted that crappy radio that bad that I would've left my doors unlock and my windows open and even prep for its removal. That was the most basic stock radio I could get with the car back then because I planned to replace it; however, the boob beat me to its removal although in a rather a damaging way. The insurance guy looked askance at me when I filed the report. He stopped being suspicious when I added the cost for the roof and dash damage. I asked why he was leery and he said "radio-only theft" often occurs by owners that want to upgrade but they don't destroy their dash making the radio disappear. While my deductible was only $50 back then, I told him the type of radio and I could care less if it was in the car or not. In fact, when I ordered the car (yeah, back then I never bought off the lot), I didn't want a radio but couldn't order a car without one (unless the dealer removed it upon delivery but that wouldn't save me any money). The police recommend NOT leaving your smartphone in your car. It's an attractive target for smash-and-grab thieves. They carry a spring- loaded steel punch, press it against a side window, whack, the glass crumbles, and they dive in grabbing whatever they find. If they can see something through the windows, that's their first target and might be what spurred them to break into your car. I will be using my old smartphone as a dashcam. It will get stowed in the center console when I leave the car and put into the windshield holder only when I get back in to use it. But other items can spur a break-in, like purses, money, USB drives, shopping bags, etc. |
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