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  #31  
Old August 6th 18, 06:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 08/05/2018 09:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:

[snip]

I have a pickup. No rear windows.


Mine does have a rear window. It was useful when the A/C quit.

As to the side windows, I didn't like being hit in the ear that much
(wind at 70MPH). Opening the rear window ventilated the vehicle fine.

No trunk.
It is certainly easier to have electric windows.
I just don't think they're worth the expense.
And that's before you end up having to repair
them. Further, it's actually rare that I want to
open the passenger window.


I have no need for electric windows, except for the very rare occurrence
of wanting to open the passenger-side window while driving.

[snip]

Yes, if I need to get into the car I could borrow the
key. I'm just talking about basic convenience. I'm out
on a hot day. I'm not driving. The driver remotely unlocks
the doors. But then I have to wait for them to get in
and start the car before I try to open the window. Not
a terribly big deal, but an inconvenience that I don't
see any need for.


The last time I was in a car with power windows, you don't have to start
the car (of even turn the key to 'accessory') to operate the windows.

I'm guessing you're one of those people who has
dual-zone seat heaters. And maybe 3-speed
hemmorhoid scratchers built into the genuine
leather seats?


BTW, I have wanted heated seats, but I just used a heating pad. That's a
lot easier to deal with if it fails. Also I don't need it very often
(IIRC, it's been over 9 years since I used it).

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  #32  
Old August 6th 18, 06:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| "Yes, You Can Still Buy a New Car With Manual Windows"
|
| By Mike Hanley October 29, 2015
|
|
https://www.cars.com/articles/yes-yo...1420682584259/
|
| But three years is a long time, and who knows
| what the lineup shows this year.

Here's an article from last year:

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...r-technophobes

My Nissan Frontier is first on the list. But it's mostly
sub-compact cars.
A similar list from 2 years ago:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/st...locks-and-more

But that one doesn't seem to be accurate. They say
only some vans have fixed sterring columns. My pickup
has a fixed stereering column and the Ford F-150 I tried
also did. So I don't know where Car and Driver are getting
their stats. But to the extent that they might be accurate,
the pattern seems to match the other article: For
minimal standard options the possible vehicles are pickups,
jeeps and small sedans.


  #33  
Old August 6th 18, 07:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It
| would be nice to live in a place like that again.
|

There's actually been a pattern of breakins
in suburban Boston lately: People go into
unlocked cars and steal whatever may be useful.
I was amazed at how many people have no car
alarm, or at least don't use it, and don't lock
their car overnight. I lock it just to go into the
bank. I don't want anyone stealing my crank
window hardware.


  #34  
Old August 6th 18, 07:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:00:35 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

VanguardLH on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 21:29:09 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Mayayana" on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:18:16 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition
or windows. Both are very expensive and superfluous.
Power windows might be nice when I get too old to
reach across to put down the passenger-side
window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with
the car turned off. That can be maddening at the beach
while you wait for the driver to get in and start the car.

Or you have to get in to turn the key, in order to close the
passenger side window before it rains.


I doubt 1-2 seconds to turn the ignition to On will matter regarding how
much water has rained into your car.


Yes,it is only "a couple seconds" more. It is an annoyance. And
yes, it probably takes less time to put the key in than to manually
crank up each window. But I'd like to be able to just open the door
and close the windows ("command switches on the driver's side"). Not
"open the door, scramble round to get the key in, close the windows,
and pull the key out."


When I was a kid, my dad had a pair of Lincoln Continentals that allowed
you to open/close the power windows without a key. On hot days, one of
us kids would get sent out to 'crack' the windows so the interior
wouldn't get so hot, then we'd have to go back and close the windows in
the evening. The keys were on top of the refrigerator, but they weren't
needed. My mom's cars, on the other hand, all either needed a key to
operate the power windows or they had hand cranks. We'd grab the keys
for the Cadillac and the Mercury, while the three Chevy's had the lowly
hand cranks.

My current vehicles both have power windows, but neither has the
capability to operate the windows without a key being present. Of
course, you don't actually insert a key anymore. These days, just having
the key nearby is good enough. I keep it in my pocket.

First world problem and all that.


True that.

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  #35  
Old August 6th 18, 07:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| As to the side windows, I didn't like being hit in the ear that much
| (wind at 70MPH).
|

I used to find that with my earlier trucks. My new
truck has a semi-xtra-cab with semi-usable seats
in back. (I took one out for storage and kept on
for the rare times there are two passengers.) I
find the extra space in back makes all the difference.
The air flows back there instead of pounding on my
left ear.

| The last time I was in a car with power windows, you don't have to start
| the car (of even turn the key to 'accessory') to operate the windows.
|
I've never seen that. I don't think it's common. Though
I don't know why. Maybe to protect the battery?

| BTW, I have wanted heated seats, but I just used a heating pad. That's a
| lot easier to deal with if it fails. Also I don't need it very often
| (IIRC, it's been over 9 years since I used it).
|

I could see putting down a non-conductive pad.
I don't see the need for heat. My latest truck has cloth
seats rather than vinyl and I find that good enough
in cold weather. After all, it's only cold for the first
5 minutes. But I do have trouble with the steering wheel
as I get older. I like to wear gloves when it's really cold.


  #36  
Old August 6th 18, 07:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:36:42 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 08/05/2018 01:18 PM, Mayayana wrote:

[snip]

Sounds great. But what happens when another pointless
sensor or chip goes, and you can't turn on the heat?
In a traditional car it's really just turning on a fan. Climate
control is Rube Goldberg-style idiocy -- a vastly more
complex contraption, and for what? So that you don't
have to decide whether you're hot or cold.


I drive an older vehicle that doesn't have these automatic climate
controls. I don't find it to be a problem to make the adjustments.


Back in the day, I spent a summer in a mobile home that had no automatic
climate control and I survived just fine. These days my house has an
automatic thermostat that turns on the AC or the heat, as needed, so I
don't have to. Likewise, my vehicles have dual zone climate controls so
that the driver and the passenger can tailor things as they like. They
also happen to have heated and cooled seats. None of it is required, but
it sure is nice.

I had a friend who almost lost a dog because of power windows. The dog
was sticking his head out the window, like dogs often do and must have
hit the UP button with a paw. She heard the choking and had to pull over
quickly.


Not just dogs; kids have died after getting their head caught in the
power window. That's why power window switches are no longer designed in
such a way as to allow that to happen.

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  #37  
Old August 6th 18, 07:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Char Jackson" wrote

| Back in the day, I spent a summer in a mobile home that had no automatic
| climate control and I survived just fine. These days my house has an
| automatic thermostat that turns on the AC or the heat, as needed, so I
| don't have to.
|
That's how you know you've gone from middle
aged to elderly. For the old it's a lifesaver. But
there are costs. When I have my windows open
on a 70F day I find it sad to hear the neighbors'
AC starting up. There's wonderful fresh air outside,
probably cooler than the air in their house. I can
smell the phlox and the roses. Or maybe the
honeysuckle. Or the lilacs. I can hear the birds.
But people quickly get used to climate control
and then never open the windows, living cut off
from the outdoors. My neighbors on one side are
college students. But their windows are never open!

Today it's about 95F here. I'm staying indoors
with a small fan blowing on me. I've left the windows
open but turned off the exhaust fans until evening.
I wouldn't want to miss the few weeks of humid,
warm weather that we get. It's sexy and gentle to
the body. No tensing up to shiver. Later I'll have
some watermelon and take another shower.
Summertime.

When I was a child we used to have an old lady
who rented from us. I'd visit her room on a hot day.
She had Lavender Refresher from S. S. Pierce. I
think it was basically alcohol with a bit of lavender
oil, in a spray bottle. We'd take turns spraying our
necks, then fanning them with a hand fan. She had
a beautiful collection of hand fans, some made of
ivory. It was a very richly sensory experience that's
still clear in my mind. Similarly, having a hot drink
after hours outside freezing is a unique, rich experience.
Climate control removes all of that richness.

Also, if you get used to climate control it's very
hard to adapt to the sensations of changeable
temperatures, especially as you get older. So you
end up having to stay in climate control all the
time.




  #38  
Old August 6th 18, 07:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote

| Open windows at highway speed creates drag that will cost you far more
| in fuel than the A/C does.
|
I typically do both. If it's hot enough for AC
I'll use it, but only to take the edge off of the
heat. So I leave the window open and have a
cool breeze blowing on me. Is that costing me
a few cents? I'm not worried.


  #39  
Old August 6th 18, 10:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote

| I typically do both. If it's hot enough for AC
| I'll use it, but only to take the edge off of the
| heat. So I leave the window open and have a
| cool breeze blowing on me. Is that costing me
| a few cents? I'm not worried.
|
|
|
| More than a few cents. 2-4 mpg, actually.

I don't believe that. I'm supposedly getting
19/23 mpg. That means I would have to
be losing 10-20% of my gas simply by opening
the window. That's absurd. They used to also
claim that 55 MPH saved gas. I don't believe
that either.

And if I were really worried I'd be doing a lot
of other things, like making an air deflector
for my front grille, like trucks often have on top
of the cab. I've got several square feet of flat
radiator facing the oncoming wind.



  #40  
Old August 6th 18, 11:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 12:31:30 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-08-06 12:00, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 21:29:09 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:18:16 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition
or windows. Both are very expensive and superfluous.
Power windows might be nice when I get too old to
reach across to put down the passenger-side
window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with
the car turned off. That can be maddening at the beach
while you wait for the driver to get in and start the car.
Or you have to get in to turn the key, in order to close the
passenger side window before it rains.
I doubt 1-2 seconds to turn the ignition to On will matter regarding how
much water has rained into your car.
Yes,it is only "a couple seconds" more. It is an annoyance. And
yes, it probably takes less time to put the key in than to manually
crank up each window.

[...]

No hand-cranked car windows here anymore...



Are cars with hand-cranked car windows still made? I haven't seen one
in many years.


Geez I haven't seen a hand cranked window in a car since I owned a Pony
30+ years ago

Although electric is convenient there are times I'd like to have it
disappear. One of my cars started having some electrical issues. One of
them is; I cannot get the back doors to unlock using switch. It is NOT
going to be easy to remove the covering with the door closed so one can
at least release the latch and open the doors far enough that if
neccessary one can disable the locks by disconnecting the wiring.

Radio goes off when one leaves the car and sometimes even if it was off
when in the car it starts while walking to house. Turn it off again with
key out and it stays off.

I'm starting to think it's the computer in the thing so looking at my
parts car and some wrenches me thinks to solve the problem. Either that
or make the problem car also a parts car as I own three Grand Am's and
almost all the parts fit any one of them.

I f'ing HATE cars!!! Such a wastefull product designed to wear out.
  #41  
Old August 6th 18, 11:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , lid says...

On 08/05/2018 09:29 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

I doubt 1-2 seconds


plus the time it takes to FIND the key (or at least go and get it)


to turn the ignition to On will matter regarding how
much water has rained into your car. By the time you realize that you
need to close the window, it has already started or has been raining.
The problem is the car owner refusing to let you have their car key to
close their windows (because they won't or cannot); however, in that
case, you're not getting into their car to close the window, anyway,
whether the window is mechanical or electrical.

There are rural locations where car owners leave their cars unlocked all
the time, even when going into "town" (grain silos with one convenience
store). Are we making generalizations based on unusual scenarios? Do
those folks actually have a higher density of new cars or are they
mostly driving old and rusty pickups?


I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It
would be nice to live in a place like that again.


I live ib a place like that. My lawn tractor spends most of it's summer
simply parked in drivewazy with the key in it even when not home. Same
with 1/2 dozen other things. Barn doors are always open. In fact seldom
even lock the house when we go out and it's empty. Car is never locked
when in the driveway and seldom when in local villages. In
Halifax/Dartmout & or Truro Yes I push the fob button and lock it. Oh,
and no neighbours can even see our house but it's easily seen by
passerbyers on road so it'd not be easy to steal stuff entirely
unnoticed. And also when I want I can run a complete survelience system
covers entire aproaches to house from any direction.
  #43  
Old August 7th 18, 02:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote

| or make the problem car also a parts car as I own three Grand Am's and
| almost all the parts fit any one of them.
|

3 Grand Ams?! They still make those? Or do
they have cranks? A lot of investment in automotive
swank for a guy who hates cars.


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Old August 7th 18, 02:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:

"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It
| would be nice to live in a place like that again.
|

There's actually been a pattern of breakins
in suburban Boston lately: People go into
unlocked cars and steal whatever may be useful.
I was amazed at how many people have no car
alarm, or at least don't use it, and don't lock
their car overnight. I lock it just to go into the
bank. I don't want anyone stealing my crank
window hardware.


Or your old radio that has those pushbuttons: the mechanical ones that
moved the dial needle to a station (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/y9fochuw).

A long time ago, some boob tried to pry open my moonroof (mechanical
popup on the rear, hinged on the front, no electric motor. He didn't
get in that way but he damaged the metal body all around the moonroof.
Then he smashed in the driver's window. What did he steal? Yep, the
mechanical pushbutton AM/FM radio. No Bluetooth (wasn't around back
then), no electrical contact switches for buttons, no digital tuning, no
disc player, or USB port (also not available back then), and no
high-power amp. Just a super cheap (probably $29 back then) AM/FM
mechanical pushbutton radio. He damaged the dash while wrangling out
the radio and thought he had to yank out the glove compartment door to
get behind the radio. The whole dash got replaced (was a LOT easier
back then to remove the dash). This happened many decades ago. Other
than at flea markets or swap meets, I'm not sure you could even buy a
radio like that nowadays. I'm sure there are some places for car buffs
that want to stock their restored oldies with original-like gear.

The cops wanted my insurance report for the total cost of the damage.
The radio was miniscule for its value. I asked them why they cared.
The guy had gone around the neighborhood breaking into other cars, too,
and they wanted to amass a total damage value to move his crime into
some higher category with more intense consequences. I told the cop
that if he wanted that crappy radio that bad that I would've left my
doors unlock and my windows open and even prep for its removal. That
was the most basic stock radio I could get with the car back then
because I planned to replace it; however, the boob beat me to its
removal although in a rather a damaging way.

The insurance guy looked askance at me when I filed the report. He
stopped being suspicious when I added the cost for the roof and dash
damage. I asked why he was leery and he said "radio-only theft" often
occurs by owners that want to upgrade but they don't destroy their dash
making the radio disappear. While my deductible was only $50 back then,
I told him the type of radio and I could care less if it was in the car
or not. In fact, when I ordered the car (yeah, back then I never bought
off the lot), I didn't want a radio but couldn't order a car without one
(unless the dealer removed it upon delivery but that wouldn't save me
any money).

The police recommend NOT leaving your smartphone in your car. It's an
attractive target for smash-and-grab thieves. They carry a spring-
loaded steel punch, press it against a side window, whack, the glass
crumbles, and they dive in grabbing whatever they find. If they can see
something through the windows, that's their first target and might be
what spurred them to break into your car. I will be using my old
smartphone as a dashcam. It will get stowed in the center console when
I leave the car and put into the windshield holder only when I get back
in to use it. But other items can spur a break-in, like purses, money,
USB drives, shopping bags, etc.
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Old August 7th 18, 02:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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pjp wrote:

In article , lid says...

On 08/05/2018 09:29 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

I doubt 1-2 seconds


plus the time it takes to FIND the key (or at least go and get it)

to turn the ignition to On will matter regarding how
much water has rained into your car. By the time you realize that you
need to close the window, it has already started or has been raining.
The problem is the car owner refusing to let you have their car key to
close their windows (because they won't or cannot); however, in that
case, you're not getting into their car to close the window, anyway,
whether the window is mechanical or electrical.

There are rural locations where car owners leave their cars unlocked all
the time, even when going into "town" (grain silos with one convenience
store). Are we making generalizations based on unusual scenarios? Do
those folks actually have a higher density of new cars or are they
mostly driving old and rusty pickups?


I remember that (no need to lock doors) from when I was a child. It
would be nice to live in a place like that again.


I live ib a place like that. My lawn tractor spends most of it's summer
simply parked in drivewazy with the key in it even when not home. Same
with 1/2 dozen other things. Barn doors are always open. In fact seldom
even lock the house when we go out and it's empty. Car is never locked
when in the driveway and seldom when in local villages. In
Halifax/Dartmout & or Truro Yes I push the fob button and lock it. Oh,
and no neighbours can even see our house but it's easily seen by
passerbyers on road so it'd not be easy to steal stuff entirely
unnoticed. And also when I want I can run a complete survelience system
covers entire aproaches to house from any direction.


What, you don't like big dogs?
 




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